Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 03:01:38 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 12 #367 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Past NKMAA seminar (Thomas Gordon) 2. Hapkido "player" (J. R. West) 3. Re: RE: Loyalty, Respect and Ethics (Lorne Keatley) 4. Player (J R Hilland) 5. kids with autism (pranab banik) 6. Re: Korean Ethics (Lorne Keatley) 7. Sticking it out (Rudy Timmerman) 8. Re: The_Dojang digest Quality (mark scianna) 9. RE: Double Swords (A. Boyd) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 00:03:50 -0500 (CDT) From: "Thomas Gordon" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Past NKMAA seminar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sorry for the delay in getting this blow by blow out there. Between preparing for the hurricane, crazy work schedule, and moving, I haven’t had much time. On August 27, Grandmaster Timmerman came to Crestview, FL to host a seminar at our school. First thing in the morning we started off with a staff form. Fairly basic but a nice looking form and the students have been bugging me to go learn the rest of it so I can show them. We broke for lunch and came back to ki breaking. Folks, I’ll tell ya I wasn’t much of a believer of ki breaking. Still not sure how it works but I’ll be dissecting that part of the seminar for a long time. How a 105lb, 13 year old girl breaks but a full grown man with legitimate dahn ranking fails to break is a bit perplexing. I know he was "striking the blocks" but it’s still rather odd. I broke my blocks but wasn’t sure how other than I did exactly as Grandmaster Timmerman said. I relaxed, cleared my head, and dropped my hand just as he demonstrated. After that we went back inside the gym and worked on sword cutting and then to Hapkido style techniques. While he wasn’t looking, I went back outside and broke another block for good measure and make sure it wasn’t an accident. LOL! For those of you who haven’t tried "soft breaking" or ki breaking, I strongly suggest you give it a whirl. Grandmaster Timmerman made it look easy. After the seminar, we had a big time at a local Mexican restaurant where we had a surprise birthday party all set up. Some people danced and sang as we visited with our new and old friends. We had a blast and look forward to hosting Grandmaster Timmerman again. Pictures at www.GordonMartialArts.com/seminar082705 For my new Canadian friends, Mr. Miner and Mr. Nowak, we look forward to seeing you two for the 2006 Korea trip if not before. If I do see you before, no swimming in November though! ACK! I’m a Florida boy and don’t like to be cold...much less wet AND cold! For those of you who don’t know, NKMAA has an award banquet/testing/training lined up for November. Apparently, one of the traditions is to go jump in a lake. I’ve been told that before but never actually did it. :) Thomas Gordon Florida --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "J. R. West" To: "Dojang Digest" Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 22:49:14 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Hapkido "player" Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net You "Play" hapkido? Curt McCauley Absolutely! The greatest compliment I can give someone is that they are a great "player", and after 40 years of Hapkido, it is a kudo I do not tender lightly. GM Kimm is a great "player", GM Bong Soo Han is as well....J. R. West www.hapkido.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Lorne Keatley" To: Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 01:25:26 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: RE: Loyalty, Respect and Ethics Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Thanks for the support Kat. It means alot. Lorne Keatley > > Message: 1 > From: "Braeswood Martial Arts" > To: > Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 06:34:36 -0500 > Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Loyalty, Respect and Ethics > Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > I agree with you 100% Lorne my friend! > > I too have been dealt the "Korean Shuffle" more then once! > > I stand beside you even though miles away! > > Your friend and partner! > Kat --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "J R Hilland" To: Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 00:29:39 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Player Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<>> Yes. As this has been brought up many times in the past on the DD, I will quote a post from Master West in the archives dated July 2001. That should answer your question and sum up the way it is commonly used... "The term "player" refers to someone who has a certain mastery of an art, or for that matter, any endeavor, and comes from an old HapKiDo friend of mine in VietNam whose ultimate compliment was " he's a real 'player' ", and anyone who knows me knows that I use the term with respect." Jere R. Hilland www.rrhapkido.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "pranab banik" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 22:32:24 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] kids with autism Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net in our school we teach total of 9 autistic kids age ranging from 16 - 7. these kids are integrated in our regular program even though they are limited sometime with different stages of autism. these kids are great learning their material in their regular classes. autistic kids love games / love to stay with a strict routine / feels insecure if the instructor is changed / i use assistants in my class to stay with autistic kids (like an aide in school) / repeation is the key for these students giving them opportunity to show off is a great way to encourage learn new material. encourage them to practice certain techniques at home so that when they come to class they are ready show off. these particular group students feel confident when they are given a lot of positive feedback. but be aware don't let them slide on anything this will make them feel that they can get away with anything. if they are irritated have them take some time off of the floor. one other thing works great for me is just basic meditation when they are keeping their eyes closed and practicing breathing. hope this helps pranab azad's martial arts family center --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Lorne Keatley" To: Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 01:33:44 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Korean Ethics Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Bruce, I knew there was such a provision and would like to thank you for the clarification and confirmation of this idea. Is it not an interesting thing that with two distinct cultures with their own seperate development uphold the same ideals after peeling away the cultural trappings and get to the heart of the matter. Maybe the two are not so different from one another after all. Lorne Keatley > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 05:24:09 -0700 (PDT) > From: Bruce Sims > To: Ray Terry > Subject: [The_Dojang] Korean Ethics > Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > "..... But they are a lot rarer than one is led to believe. > Just cause someone sings the song doesn't mean they are loyal and > honourable. I see many people in the martial arts feel they are shackled > by > loyalty to a master who has grown not to deserve such loyalty. I am here > to > say that loyalty and respect is a two-way street and if there is not a > reciprocal exchange in that then that master is not loyal and derserves > contempt instead of respect. Respect and loyalty is a mutual agreement, > not > one of subservience no matter the gap in rank or years. The golden rule > states "Treat those the same way you would like to be treated." That > phrase > translates into Korean with no loss of meaning and no less > importance......" > > Dear Lorne: > > I think I know what you are wanting to say and you should know that > Confucian and Neo-Confucian thought makes a provision for the sorts > of considerations of which you are writing. > > Lower ranks are indeed required to show deference to seniors. However, it > follows that seniors are expected to take care of and encourage their > juniors. > This is where this Confucian Model usually finds itself being abused here > in > the West. Certainly juniors are often cowed into showing deference, but > then > the seniors do not take care of their juniors as they should. In fact > quite > often the seniors exploit the juniors to the seniors own ends. When this > occurs the seniors are liable to the loss of their mandate for failing to > honor > their responsibilities to their juniors. In Western parlance I suppose > this > would be not unlike the Golden Rule you mentioned. FWIW. > > Best Wishes, > > Bruce --__--__-- Message: 7 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Rudy Timmerman Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 03:39:30 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Sticking it out Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Michael writes: > "Having said this, I believe Kuk Sool is a great art, and some of the > best martial artists I have ever seen practice this art. Some > schools in WKSA even have great quality control; however, this is > IMHO because of the SCHOOL instructor...not the organization." > > Well stated. I'm fortunate and this is why I persevere. Hello Michael: I am glad that you found a good Instructor and that you are persevering. I am also glad to see that you understand that my posts regarding this thread were not directed at anyone or any org. Rather, I tried my best to make clear that finding a good Instructor is rare (regardless of the org), and that leaving such an Instructor is a foolish thing especially for reasons of certification. Best wishes in your training. Rudy --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 06:06:51 -0400 (EDT) From: mark scianna To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: The_Dojang digest Quality Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello Rudy It's not that I love the organization, but the art, and I guess it's easy to blur the two. Again, I don't have nearly as much experience dealing with the high level politics as you do (actually, no experience would be more accurate), nor have I been burned, or even betrayed by the organization as you have. I come to you from a position of ignorant bliss, having only had positive experiences with ksw after floundering for so long after moving here, going from dojo to dojang to kwoon, looking for a home and not finding one. A great TKD instructor with whom I had the honor of training for several years, Master Jon Palais of Hartford, had similar problems w/ the ITF and left. I was sad then because I really love that style of TKD, but he was a once in a lifetime type of instructor, so I followed him. After I moved to San Antonio, I had neither access to him, nor to the ITF, and I landed with KSW. They made me start back at white belt and never allowed me to skip levels(good thing b/c I was lost until red belt. OK brown belt) I am not particularly surprised by what you have to say, and I am actually encouraged that you still seem to have a great deal of respect (dare I say affection?) for KSW even after the way you were treated. I'm so not a" KSW is better than HKD, or HRD, or Jiu Jutsu", etc, kind of guy, and I've been a street cop for 18 years so the thought has occurred that few things are perfect in this world except for my family. But KSW is home for me, so I remain loyal. Mark S --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 06:18:04 -0400 (EDT) From: "A. Boyd" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Double Swords Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Bruce... the post does reference that, stating that the single sword needed to be learned before moving on to double swords. What I found amusing was that the developer of this set of terms and methods seems not to have read the section in the MYDBTJ which contains the measurements for the jang-gum [quite different than ssang-gum]. Not surprising really, that's in the dull part with no pictures. Haha. The image of a swordsman trying to weild two jang-gum had me chuckling all day. Anyone who could do it would be in Paul Bunyan's or Giant McKaskill's league! Good stuff. I have to ask though... is the primary interest in learning sword or other weapons built solely on providing a thrilling spectacle at tournaments? Anthony Boyd: Swordsman and English Teacher hdgdforum.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest