Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 03:00:47 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 12 #368 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: The_Dojang digest Autism (mark scianna) 2. Hapkido player (Bob Banham) 3. RE: kids with autism (Master Mark Seidel) 4. Quality control (Rudy Timmerman) 5. RE: Ideas for teaching autistic and challenged kids (Braeswood Martial Arts) 6. re: training to instruct senior citizens? (Braeswood Martial Arts) 7. Florida NKMAA seminar (Rudy Timmerman) 8. from another group: importance of ranges/skills (Jye nigma) 9. GM Bong Soo Han (J.R. West) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 06:36:15 -0400 (EDT) From: mark scianna To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: The_Dojang digest Autism Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Lance There are lots of resources that deal with teaching autistic kids out there, but teaching martial arts to kids w/ special needs is sort of a trail yet to be blazed. My little boy has 4p- syndrome, a chromosomal deletion, and many kids with this also have autistic tendencies, as do many Downs kids, and a host of other disorders as well. So unless the kids are autistic as a primary diagnosis, there are probably underlying disorders as well. I believe that the parents are the best resource when it comes to nearly anything concerning their children. Just like with "regular" kids, each child w/ special need learns differently and at his own pace. Christopher, for example, is the ONLY child that we know of with 4p- that has even attempted martial arts. Our approach to Christopher is essentially to forget about the tradtional system of learning the pattern, learning the other testing requirements, then test for the next belt or stripe at a designated time. We look at it as a marathon, and it may take two years to learn a pattern rather than 3 months, but thats ok. I noticed that you teach ITF patterns ( I peeked at your website) and by Won Hyo movement is less natural and difficult, so they would probably take a really long time. I don't know if you guys use sine wave in your patterns, that would be a whole other challenge. Also, the parents should understand that your teaching approach is going to necessarily put less emphasis on promotion and more on specific goals, like learning sidekick. Lastly, I commend you for taking on this task. Too often these children (and adults) never get the opportunity to participate in activities the rest of us take for granted. I am willing to bet that teaching them that sidekick, and seeing them learn it, will be more rewarding than promoting someone to black belt. This is what martial arts is really about. Mark S --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Bob Banham" To: Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 13:02:59 +0100 Subject: [The_Dojang] Hapkido player Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net One of the greatest compliments I have ever received was when GM west said that I was a great taekwodo player! Bob --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Master Mark Seidel" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] kids with autism Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 10:17:29 -0400 Organization: The Midtown Academy Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I also specialize in learning disabled students and have quite a few autistic students as well; having that service will make for a very successful school. I start them all off with private lessons before I integrate them into a class. Remember the key to teaching anyone with a disorder is "order". Master Mark Seidel Martial Arts /PE Program The Midtown Academy http://www.midtownacademy.org -----Original Message----- From: pranab banik [mailto:pranabbanik@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 1:32 AM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] kids with autism in our school we teach total of 9 autistic kids age ranging from 16 - 7. these kids are integrated in our regular program even though they are limited sometime with different stages of autism. these kids are great learning their material in their regular classes. autistic kids love games / love to stay with a strict routine / feels insecure if the instructor is changed / i use assistants in my class to stay with autistic kids (like an aide in school) / repeation is the key for these students giving them opportunity to show off is a great way to encourage learn new material. encourage them to practice certain techniques at home so that when they come to class they are ready show off. these particular group students feel confident when they are given a lot of positive feedback. but be aware don't let them slide on anything this will make them feel that they can get away with anything. if they are irritated have them take some time off of the floor. one other thing works great for me is just basic meditation when they are keeping their eyes closed and practicing breathing. hope this helps pranab azad's martial arts family center --__--__-- Message: 4 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Rudy Timmerman Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 10:19:12 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Quality control Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mark writes: > It's not that I love the organization, but the art, and I guess > it's easy to > blur the two. Again, I don't have nearly as much experience dealing > with the > high level politics as you do (actually, no experience would be more > accurate), nor have I been burned, or even betrayed by the > organization as you > have. ... > > I am not particularly surprised by what you have to say, and I am > actually > encouraged that you still seem to have a great deal of respect > (dare I say > affection?) for KSW even after the way you were treated. I'm so not > a" KSW is > better than HKD, or HRD, or Jiu Jutsu", etc, kind of guy, and I've > been a > street cop for 18 years so the thought has occurred that few things > are > perfect in this world except for my family. But KSW is home for me, > so I > remain loyal. Hello again Mark: Oddly enough, I really don't feel I was burned or betrayed, this is more about "telling it like it is" than trying to put a blemish on WKSA. As I said before, my post was not intended to slam anyone or org, but to clear up a misunderstanding about quality control within WKSA, and yes... I love the art and I am on good terms with MANY of its practitioners. I also never throw out the baby with the bath water lol. Like Michael said in his post, in a number of Kuk Sool schools quality control is adhered to, and I know that to be true; however, I wanted to clarify that this was an Instructor preference in order to show that it is the Instructor who sets the tone in a school. Hated to see the man whom I wanted to share this with leave a good Instructor he appeared to be happy with for reasons of staying with an org. --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Braeswood Martial Arts" To: Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 09:21:56 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Ideas for teaching autistic and challenged kids Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have been teaching MA at The Monarch School here in Houston for the last four years. Teaching these kids gives me great pleasure! It has taught me a great lesson; you must connect with each student in accordance with their needs this has intern taught me so much about teaching and has enriched me greatly. Please feel free to contact me directly bmac2@ev1.net I too continually change the drills to keep up with the mental needs for change, but have been educated to the fact that these kids have a drive to succeed at a task. We focus on one theme for the entire class. But change the drills to keep it fun and interesting. I keep no secrets with these students about the focus of the class and that I am changing the drill to keep them interested. Most challenged kids know they are challenged and want to be involved with the process of control. Autistic children will enjoy the martial arts but depending upon the severity, you will need to incorporate some occupational therapy as well. Which it sounds like you have started with the rolls on the exercise ball. I applaud you for taking these kids into your class, you will make a great difference in their lives. Kat --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Braeswood Martial Arts" To: Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 09:30:23 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] re: training to instruct senior citizens? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Master Hodder in Seabrook TX has many years of experience teaching Martial Arts to senior citizens in his school as well as off campus. You can contact him on this forum or at richhodder@hotmail.com Kat --__--__-- Message: 7 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Rudy Timmerman Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 10:54:16 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Florida NKMAA seminar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Master Gordon writes: > We had a blast and look > forward to hosting Grandmaster Timmerman again. > > Pictures at www.GordonMartialArts.com/seminar082705 > > For my new Canadian friends, Mr. Miner and Mr. Nowak, we look > forward to > seeing you two for the 2006 Korea trip if not before. If I do see you > before, no swimming in November though! ACK! I’m a Florida boy > and don’t > like to be cold...much less wet AND cold! For those of you who don’t > know, NKMAA has an award banquet/testing/training lined up for > November. > Apparently, one of the traditions is to go jump in a lake. I’ve > been told > that before but never actually did it. :) Hello Master Gordon: Thank you Sir. It will be my pleasure to come back and work with a group that is so dedicated they ignored a Hurricane threat to be there. The November event is set for the weekend of the 12th, and I have been the first one in the Lake every time so far. First year I actually broke ice to get in... "refreshing" for sure lol. More importantly, completing our challenge course gives my students some experience with "old time" training the way I learned it from my GM who often had us working out in the snow barefoot. Among other things, I have had my long distance students sleep in the Dojang together, do some maintenance work in it together, sweat in it together, and in general become a team that appreciates the different contributions each of us can make to the art and find our Dojang a true home away from home. Very few pass the test (it IS hard, and I impress that upon students before they begin), many quit because they can't handle it, some will persevere and try again and again (and I will stick with them), and one or two will inevitably blame ME for not being able to handle it. Alas, that is life:( BTW, I must commend SBN Miner (one of the new Canadian friends you met) for his dedication and perseverance... after umpteen tries over the span of a year, he learned to relax and made his break. From now on it will be easier SBN Miner:) More importantly, you have learned that muscular power is not the only thing you have in your arsenal:) --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 13:51:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net, itf-taekwondo@yahoogroups.com Subject: [The_Dojang] from another group: importance of ranges/skills Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net What order of importance do you think ranges/skills need to be known. This is kind of on topic as it relates to different arts. For me in order of importance: Punching/hand strikes grappling elbows/knees kicking What do you reckon? My favourite is kicking but I don't think it is that important __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "J.R. West" To: "Dojang Digest" Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 17:30:36 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] GM Bong Soo Han Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I received a phone call from GM Bong Soo Han today, and was advised that he is suffering from cancer. GM Han, along with Dr. Kimm and Sea Oh Choi were the first three Hapkido instructors in the USA, and GM Han, at the tender age of 74, can still put a round kick in your ear before you can react. I think I speak for all the Hapkido community in wishing him a complete and speedy recovery....J. R. West www.hapkido.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest