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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Gladewater SooBahkDo (Don Kirsch) 2. Re: Wrist Injuries and Hapkido? (tim walker) 3. Master McHenry (Thomas Gordon) 4. Master DeWitt (Lorne Keatley) 5. Re: accu-punch (Dave) 6. Over the hill (Rudy Timmerman) 7. Player (Rudy Timmerman) 8. re:Wrist Injuries and Hapkido? (Arlene Slocum) 9. Re: Master DeWitt (Ray) 10. Player not playa (michael tomlinson) 11. RE: Wrist Injuries and Hapkido? (michael tomlinson) 12. To make my dad proud (Edward Peters, III) 13. RE: Wrist Injuries and Hapkido? (funky mutha) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Don Kirsch" To: "the_dojang" Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 06:20:50 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Gladewater SooBahkDo Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sir, I am sorry there was not a name on your post or I would address you by your name. As I told Master McCauley in a personal post to him an invitation on the mat to me is not a challenge to a fight but an invitation to exchange techniques and training philosophies . My invitation was exactly that. While GM West does not need me or anyone else to speak for him I felt the original comment was sarcastic and disrespectful. He has been my friend and teacher for over twenty years and I felt the need to speak up. Most people on the DD know who GM West is and what he has done to promote Korean Martial arts. I perceived the original lack of respect coming from the original question of "do you play HapKiDo?". If it was not meant to be disrespectful... well then I was wrong in my interpretation . I don't feel the need to prove myself but I am always open to meeting new people to exchange ideas and philosophies . Due to a recent move to the Dallas area I don't have a school open here yet . I am currently teaching in a small recreation center and outside in a park on the weekends. My web site www.texashapkido.com has my phone numbers posted on it. If you have the time please call me when you are in Dallas . I don't know many people in the area and I'm always looking for new friends and training partners. Regards, Don Kirsch --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "tim walker" To: Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 09:52:29 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Wrist Injuries and Hapkido? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net TKD HKD wrote: <> Cut the sucker off. Then you can have one wrist and one HOOK! Yeah! One of those shiny pirate ones! Arrr, matey. Having two wrists is a crutch. Hell, anyone can do Hapkido with two wrists. Two wrists? Luxury! timo "Primum non nocere" --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 10:57:11 -0500 (CDT) From: "Thomas Gordon" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Master McHenry Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Master McHenry, Earlier this year you held a clinic at Grandmaster West's seminar working on various kicking drills. Would you mind posting those? I can't seem to recall all of them. Thomas Gordon Florida --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Lorne Keatley" To: Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 11:34:20 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Master DeWitt Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I totally understand what you are saying. However there are a number of events that you are not privy too. I have kept this all to myelf until it has started to hurt others as well. You know me well and I stand by everything I have stated. With honour, Lorne Keatley > > Message: 2 > From: "Dewitt, Garrett" > To: "'the_dojang@martialartsresource.net.'" > > Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 14:44:11 -0500 > Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: GM Timmerman > Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > Grandmaster Rudy W. Timmerman Wrote: > People will no doubt recognize that this post is directed at me by one of > my > former students. I will not engage in rebutting these statements, and > people who have known me for many years will see me for what I am. All I > can say is best wishes in your new venture Lorne. > Rudy > Good Afternoon. > Being a student of Grandmaster Timmerman's since approximately 1999, I am > greatly saddened by > this post. I have been involved with the Korean martial arts for a bit > over > twenty-eight years > now and I have had my share of being "kicked around," "continuously lied > to," "verbally/physically attacked by a former instructor" and even > verbally > degraded by my own > students here as soon as they "knew it all within the Korean martial arts > and thus, decided to dump me/us. Although the emotions say "to go after > such > and such, hit back hard," WISDOM DICTATES OTHERWISE." Throughout all of > those years, if I was offended by others, I talked to them face to face > regarding whatever issues I heard or believed happened to demean me. I > would > not now nor will I ever publicly verbally attack or degrade those whom I > know or believe have/has demeaned me. The truth will always come. I have > the utmost respect for Grandmaster Timmerman. He accepted me and my dojang > when the chips were down and a few specific "worldly known" TKD > organizations were financially sucking the life out of us and destroying > my > student population with their lies/deceitfulness. I know a bit about > Grandmaster Timmerman and Master Keatley. I have learned a lot from both, > I > am proud to be a member of the NKMAA and this type of post makes for a > very > sad day indeed. > > Regards to all. > > Garrett > > -- __--__-- --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 10:37:38 -0500 From: Dave To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] accu-punch Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Supposedly, Jhoon Rhee taught Muhammad Ali the "accu-punch" where you rotate your fist completely over like the reverse punch or backfist. Ali said it was so fast you could hardly see it. Probably a little propaganda to sell the Jhoon Rhee system and the foam sparring equipment but they did workout together... On 9/11/05, PETER.MCDONALDSMITH@london-fire.gov.uk < PETER.MCDONALDSMITH@london-fire.gov.uk> wrote: > > Does any one know anything about the accu-punch taught to Muhammad Ali > by GM Jhoon Rhee? And if yes is there any training tapes on the > subject. > RULDS2 > Peter > > > **************************************************************************** > > > > SMOKE ALARMS SAVE LIVES > > > > Go to London Fire at www.london-fire.gov.uk/firesafety > > > > This email is confidential to the addressee only. If you do not believe > that > you are the intended addressee, do not use, pass on or copy it in any way. > If you have received it in error, please delete it immediately and > telephone > the supplied number, reversing the charges if necessary. > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 6 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Rudy Timmerman Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 12:00:01 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Over the hill Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mark writes: > I just turned 43 and have some time to go before I can even begin > testing for 2nd dan. I don't feel at all slower, I can still kick > pretty well, and still do jumping kicks with no problems, but it > has been in the back of my mind for some time that the time that I > have is growing shorter in regard to retaining those abilities. As > someone who has passed, um, 25, and as someone who is active at the > highest level of martial arts, I ask you, how long can I expect to > do this? I would like to at least get to 3rd Dan, but, again, I am > worried about how much time I realistically have left before I have > to learn to play shuffle board. Hello Mark: Glad to share with you any experiences I have with this. Yes, I have been around a little while, and in addition to getting on the downside of the hill of life I had a serious back injury. What makes me go on is simple... I love it. You will find that your focus might shift from flying kicks to a more down to earth type of training, but you never need to quit. Going for the next rank may also need to have a "change of mind" about WHAT you expect of yourself. I think you will find most serious Hap Ki Do people quite understanding about age and disabilities. They may frown on laziness, but never on a legit problem as long as you work to your limit safely. A good friend recently quoted something that may apply here as well: "It is better to be a has been than a never was". If you don't "go for it" you will never get there my friend, and that will just not do, will it? :) I see no reason why you can't make it to third dahn and past that with a good attitude like yours. --__--__-- Message: 7 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Rudy Timmerman Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 12:07:55 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Player Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ray writes: > The first time I heard "player" used wrt martial arts was 1984, > from a Korean > instructor. Yes, it seemed strange to me for the first 5 mins, but > after a > wee bit of reflection it seemed a very natural term to use. Hi Ray. I must admit that I too was a bit surprised by that term, but once I took the time to find out what GM West meant by the term I was quite tickled when he called me a "player". At my age, that was about the greatest compliment I could ask for; however, I can understand the other folks not understanding the use of the term. I hope that our Texas friends will take a moment to reflect on things before they take things to the alley. I am sure that GM West would hate to see anyone eve quibble about the use of that term, let alone go beyond that:) --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 09:15:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Arlene Slocum To: Dojang Subject: [The_Dojang] re:Wrist Injuries and Hapkido? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Would a football player accept advice from a 50 yr old lady who gets maximum wrist exercise each day from moving her mouse around a computer? Oh, well, here it goes anyway. I have been practicing hapkido for 8 years and this is what I have found helps strengthen the wrists and prevent injury (not necessarily in order of importance): 1. Do pushups on fists (I do 50 reps 4 to 5 times per week) 2. Skip rope - the twirling action really helps the wrists 3. Take glucosamine, chondroitin, msm - for wrist lubrication 4. Avoid partnering with testosterone laden teenage boys (and some older males) who have something to prove. Good luck and be patient! Regards, Arlene Slocum Lawrence TKD Lawrence, KS slocarl@sbcglobal.net --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Master DeWitt To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 09:35:33 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I totally understand what you are saying. However there are a number of > events that you are not privy too. I have kept this all to myelf until it > has started to hurt others as well... Guys, please take this offline. Thanks. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 17:14:12 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Player not playa Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I first heard the word "player" in 1972 at Y.J. Chung's Martial Arts Academy....to make a long story longer.... I was 14 years old and had to spar a guy in class a little older and quite aggressive...anywho I got "lucky" and literally knocked him out "unconscious" with a back side kick to the midsection.... no sparring gear back then...other than bone.... the next day before class started Master Chung took me to the side and told me he didn't want me let up on my training because I was no longer a student but a serious player now....the reason I remember this from back then is because it was so different hearing the word player... IMHO GM J.R. West is one serious real deal Hapkido Player..plain and simple ...Michael Tomlinson --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Wrist Injuries and Hapkido? Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 17:24:05 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I've had trouble with my elbows in Hapkido and also played the devils foosball for years...so I know what you are talking about with the hurt wrists....I have had accupuncture on my elbows a few times and it healed them every time....you might want to try that...going rate hear in Florida is about 40 to 50 dollars for an hourly treatment...they put the needles in and then get these little aligator clips and clamp them on certain needles and then run an electrical current through them for about 45 minutes...like I said it healed me everytime...I think once I had two treatments and once I only had one treatment...my doctor said it never takes more than three treatments to heal that part of your body.....good luck...Michael Tomlinson --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 12:35:05 -0500 From: "Edward Peters, III" To: Dojang Digest Subject: [The_Dojang] To make my dad proud Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net There has been some talk about a word so I went and looked it up Just like my dad taught me to. Here's what I found that is relevant. (n) player (an important participant (as in a business deal)) /"he was a major player in setting up the corporation"/ I don't see the confusion Edward "hoping one day to be a player" Peters --__--__-- Message: 13 From: "funky mutha" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 11:51:34 +1000 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Wrist Injuries and Hapkido? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have often sustained wrist injuries. Ice packs and compression bandages are very useful - but only if applied soon after an injury. I keep some IceFeel bandages with me in my sports bag (we have some at the dojang too). These don't require refrigeration and you can use it right out of the bag. - see http://www.icefeel.com.au Resting the injured area is good for recovery - however some movement will aid. There is a difference between an injury and muscle soreness. So try not to aggrevate it in any way. One of my particular injuries took about 3 months to completely recover. Important note: Don't rely on my advice. If injury persists, see a doctor / physio. Better to be safe than sorry. Just as performing a technique correctly is important, in the dojang it is just as important to know how to receive a technique. This can avoid such injuries in the future. Wrist strengthening exercises is also helpful - eg doing pushups on wrists rather than palms, barbell curls at the wrists (using forearm muscles) etc. YY original message: ======================== I am fairly new to Hapkido.This morning in the USKMAF dojang I really did a number on my right wrist.It is one of those injuries that doesnt hurt right away it just seems your wrist gets extremely sore,stiff and feels like it is sprained.I dont even know which technique I did that caused it.Does anyone have any advice on how best to recover.Should I lay off of Hapkido till it heals completely?Should I have gotten ice on it as soon as I felt the soreness stiffness?Is wrist tenderness a common ailment for low ranking colored belts,something that gets better as I condition my wrists?I have prior injuries in the wrists from football,there is something about having ten men land on your wrists in a pile that tends to be bad for them.Would it be best to suck up the pain and continue to train Monday?I know that in TKD sometimes I can have muscle soreness,go on into the dojang,stretch and train,and at the end of class the soreness is gone.I know some of you Hapkido guys have been through this before, a little advice would be greatly appreciated and maybe allow me to know exactly what to do if it occurs again. Sincerely, TKD HKD --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest