Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 14:54:20 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 12 #373 - 12 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re:Re: Wrist Injuries and Hapkido? (TKD HKD) 2. Master McHenry (Dennis McHenry) 3. on the mat (Gladewater SooBahkDo) 4. TaeKwonDo Sparring Gear (Tony McDonald) 5. Re: The_Dojang digest, over the hill (mark scianna) 6. Re: The_Dojang digest Player (mark scianna) 7. Wrist Injuries (Bruce Sims) 8. Hapkido "Player" (Jesse Segovia) 9. Re: Master McHenry (Thomas Gordon) 10. Re: TaeKwonDo Sparring Gear (Craig Zeigler) 11. Re: TaeKwonDo Sparring Gear (Tim) 12. Acupuncture and Injuries (Chris LaCava) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "TKD HKD" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 23:02:14 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re:Re: Wrist Injuries and Hapkido? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "Cut the sucker off. Then you can have one wrist and one HOOK! Yeah! One of those shiny pirate ones! Arrr, matey. Having two wrists is a crutch. Hell, anyone can do Hapkido with two wrists. Two wrists? Luxury! timo "Primum non nocere" " LOL,I got a big laugh out of that response.I would by a bad dude with that hook.No need to learn a knife hand,ridge hand,backfist,hammerfist,tiger claw or spear hand,just use the hook.LOL. Anyway,thanks to those who replied to my query. Sincerely, TKD HKD _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 23:10:02 -0500 From: Dennis McHenry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Master McHenry Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: "Thomas Gordon" < tgordon@gordonmartialarts.com> "Earlier this year you held a clinic at Grandmaster West's seminar working on various kicking drills. Would you mind posting those? I can't seem to recall all of them." Hello Master Gordon, Seems like a while ago I did a kicking seminar. I think the last seminars I did were on Form and Technique Interpretation, Partner Line Drills, Hand Drills, Instructor Class Drills, Hand Strikes – then Low Kicks, Spinning Kicks, Defensive Kicks… I forget. Was it a time when we did a workout Friday afternoon before the seminar (the preseminar seminar I sometimes do)? I do specifically remember working on kicking with you, Master Bledsoe and Lisa. I believe it was a general kicking workout that time. Was that were we finished up by kicking the "Force Shield", the one with the meter on it? I think we just did some different kicks, like outside crescent, jump outside crescent, spinning outside crescent, inside crescent, jump inside crescent, jump spinning inside crescent, spinning heel kick, jump spinning heel kick (540). May have done skip side kick and jump spinning back kick on the force shield. Is that sorta what you were asking for? Catch me in Jackson next time and I'll be happy to show you which ones you want. --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: "the_dojang" Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 00:42:38 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] on the mat Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Kirsch I may have come across to strong, and for that I apologize. I will be in Dallas several times over the next couple of weeks prior to leaving for Korea on the 27th. Most of my time will be spent training, but if time permits I will try and look you up. I too enjoy meeting new people and making new friends. JC Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Tony McDonald" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] TaeKwonDo Sparring Gear Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 23:27:08 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Recently I've had to acquire a pair of tae kwon do boxing gloves and padded instep guards, although they cover the entire foot, I was wondering about everyone else's input about using these for sparring matches. Personally I feel that they restrict movement, give an awkward feeling of punching or fighting altogether. And although I respect my Master's decision to use these for "general safety" for broken toes and broken fingers, I believe if you do your techniques right and fight smart, one wouldn't have to use these as a "crutch" but before I write a book on my opinions about the gear used, I would rather hear the opinions of others first. Always ~Tony --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 06:01:55 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mark scianna To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: The_Dojang digest, over the hill Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net GM Timmerman Thank you for your encouraging words. Maybe it's hard for me to face b/c I don't feel old yet, and I dread the deterioration of my modest kicking skills. Kicking isn't even central to the art, throwing and joint locks are, but I just really love to kick, and they do play an important part in ksw. But you are right of course, I need to change my mindset, there are many other things I can attempt proficiency in. I don't know about being a has been, b/c I don't know that I ever was, but I'm trying. Mark S --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 06:24:47 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mark scianna To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: The_Dojang digest Player Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I too have heard the term player used for many years as it refers to Judo and Jiu Jutsu practioners. I never thought it was derogatory, just a term that they use to describe their more proficient people. Mark S --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 05:12:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Sims To: Ray Terry Subject: [The_Dojang] Wrist Injuries Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net OK, so I will probably get some flack for this because, frankly, I get a little tired of people carrying on about "Ki" as it relates to Hapkido. However I have a new rule of thumb in my personal training. If I sustain an injury that does not take care of itself in some meaningful way within ten days, my next stop is my accupuncturist. Certainly I am not talking about gross trauma such as bleeding or a fracture. Rather I am talking about those niggly, nagging injuries such as strains, sprains, tears etc that never seem to heal or take their own sweet time. As far as conditioning and preparation I am sure there are a lot of people who have suggestions about that. But speaking from personal experience, had I cut my losses with linaments, wraps, bathes and ice packs and beat feet to by accupuncture doctor straight-away I would have saved myself a LOT of needless putzing. FWIW. Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 08:19:03 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Jesse Segovia To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Hapkido "Player" Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In my experience, the term 'player' some use as in Hapkido player ot Taekwondo player, is a direct translation of the Korean word seonsu, pronounced sun-soo, which means athlete. So in Korea you'd say a baseball seonsu, a basketball seonsu, and in Korea they also say a Hapkido seonsu or a Taekwondo seonsu. So calling yourself or others a Hapkido player is just like calling them a football player, nothing more or less. Jesse --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 10:40:54 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Master McHenry From: "Thomas Gordon" To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Master McHenry, Thanks for the prompt reply. Yes sir, it was the Friday night before drill session. I recall doing the kicks I just don't recall which kicks they were. Some of the kicks were variations that I hadn't done quite like that. The other night I was working out on the bag and couldn't remember the sequence of some of the jump kicks. Just the names will likely jar my noggin. Thanks again. Thomas Gordon Florida > From: "Thomas Gordon" < tgordon@gordonmartialarts.com> > "Earlier this year you held a clinic at Grandmaster West's seminar > working on various kicking drills. Would you mind posting those? I can't > seem to recall all of them." > > Hello Master Gordon, > > Seems like a while ago I did a kicking seminar. I think the last > seminars I did were on Form and Technique Interpretation, Partner Line > Drills, Hand Drills, Instructor Class Drills, Hand Strikes – then Low > Kicks, Spinning Kicks, Defensive Kicks… I forget. > > Was it a time when we did a workout Friday afternoon before the seminar > > (the preseminar seminar I sometimes do)? I do specifically remember > working on kicking with you, Master Bledsoe and Lisa. I believe it was > a general kicking workout that time. Was that were we finished up by > kicking the "Force Shield", the one with the meter on it? > > I think we just did some different kicks, like outside crescent, jump > outside crescent, spinning outside crescent, inside crescent, jump > inside crescent, jump spinning inside crescent, spinning heel kick, > jump spinning heel kick (540). May have done skip side kick and jump > spinning back kick on the force shield. > > Is that sorta what you were asking for? Catch me in Jackson next time > and > I'll be happy to show you which ones you want. > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 12:58:43 -0400 From: Craig Zeigler To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] TaeKwonDo Sparring Gear Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Tony McDonald wrote: >Recently I've had to acquire a pair of tae kwon do boxing gloves and padded >instep guards, although they cover the entire foot, I was wondering about >everyone else's input about using these for sparring matches. Personally I >feel that they restrict movement, give an awkward feeling of punching or >fighting altogether. And although I respect my Master's decision to use these >for "general safety" for broken toes and broken fingers, I believe if you do >your techniques right and fight smart, one wouldn't have to use these as a >"crutch" but before I write a book on my opinions about the gear used, I would >rather hear the opinions of others first. > > >Always > >~Tony >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > > > The use of padding/body armor can be a useful tool especially for junior students. They aren't always aware of what a punch or kick will cause. I'm not talking so much about the pain part, but the disorientation. Many students become disoriented and fall apart mentally when they get hit. To me at least, padding can be a training tool as well as general protection. Lets face it, not everyone is perfect, and people do get hit. For the seniors, most of them only wear padding when sparring with juniors. When seniors are sparring seniors, there is little or no padding used mainly by choice. Once you advance to a certain point, there should be no need for 10 pounds of body armor because you're supposed to have good control. In some cases however, padding is a good thing. I generally wear at least shin padding because if someone were to hit my knee brace they'll probably get hurt.. and it won't feel too great on my end either. Just my $0.02 Craig --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "Tim" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] TaeKwonDo Sparring Gear Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 14:45:39 -0400 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Tony, Keep in mind that wearing basic protective gear keeps you safe. I came from a school that didn't push the use of pads, and there were many mornings after training that it was difficult to get up and go to work. I don't know what kind of work you do but I can assure you that training in some basic protective gear makes the rest of your life more pleasant. Your technique no matter how good wont make the punishment of bone on bone impact any easier. Don't be fooled by Hollywood. You cant snap trees in half with you shin and be fresh as a daisy come morning. Tim ---- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Zeigler" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] TaeKwonDo Sparring Gear > Tony McDonald wrote: > >>Recently I've had to acquire a pair of tae kwon do boxing gloves and >>padded >>instep guards, although they cover the entire foot, I was wondering about >>everyone else's input about using these for sparring matches. Personally I >>feel that they restrict movement, give an awkward feeling of punching or >>fighting altogether. And although I respect my Master's decision to use >>these >>for "general safety" for broken toes and broken fingers, I believe if you >>do >>your techniques right and fight smart, one wouldn't have to use these as a >>"crutch" but before I write a book on my opinions about the gear used, I >>would >>rather hear the opinions of others first. >> >> >>Always >> >>~Tony >>_______________________________________________ >>The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members >>The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >>Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >>Standard disclaimers apply >>http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang >> >> > The use of padding/body armor can be a useful tool especially for junior > students. They aren't always aware of what a punch or kick will cause. I'm > not talking so much about the pain part, but the disorientation. Many > students become disoriented and fall apart mentally when they get hit. To > me at least, padding can be a training tool as well as general protection. > Lets face it, not everyone is perfect, and people do get hit. > > For the seniors, most of them only wear padding when sparring with > juniors. When seniors are sparring seniors, there is little or no padding > used mainly by choice. Once you advance to a certain point, there should > be no need for 10 pounds of body armor because you're supposed to have > good control. In some cases however, padding is a good thing. I generally > wear at least shin padding because if someone were to hit my knee brace > they'll probably get hurt.. and it won't feel too great on my end either. > > Just my $0.02 > > Craig > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 12 From: "Chris LaCava" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 15:13:53 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Acupuncture and Injuries Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net MIke T. - <> Hey Bro. That's probably because you go in soon after the injury. Being an acupuncturist, I would say a general rule of thumb when dealing with injuries and disorders with acupuncture is the longer you have an issue (before getting treatment) the longer it may take to treat. With minor acute injuries it may only take a treatment or two to clear up. On the other side of the coin, if you have repetitive injuries to an area or have just dealt with the pain/discomfort for months or years, it may take a few sessions to get some improvement. Acupuncture isn't just to get rid of the pain, although it is good for that. In a nut-shell, it's used to auto-regulate the body so the injury doesn't have to reoccur. So getting rid of the pain is just a bonus. :) Take care. Chris LaCava (Initials, initials, blah, blah, blah) LaCava's Martial Arts Westport, CT. http://lmaa.bravepages.com Online Store- http://www.cafepress.com/hapkidogear --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest