Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 03:01:42 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 12 #376 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. RE: RE: Hapkido in Manhattan, Kansas (John Johnson) 2. RE: Padding and Pulling Punches (Stovall, Craig) 3. Last word on the term Player (Gladewater SooBahkDo) 4. RE: "Inappropriate comment" (Howard Spivey) 5. RE: Bad JYE (gpetrotta@sc.rr.com) 6. Sport Soo Bahk Do (Ray) 7. Sparring Gear (Ruth Hansen) 8. Re: RE: Padding and Pulling Punches (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "John Johnson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] RE: Hapkido in Manhattan, Kansas Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 13:46:05 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I found this on the Web: [TABLE NOT SHOWN] Formerly of Wichita, KS. John A. Johnson Seoul, S. Korea -------------------------------------------------------------------- From:  "Martin Diggins" Reply-To:  the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To:   Subject:  [The_Dojang] RE: Hapkido in Manhattan, Kansas Date:  Thu, 15 Sep 2005 11:50:45 +0100 >A friend of mine is moving from Ireland to work in Kansas State >University. > >He has a black belt in Sin Moo Hapkido (under Master Massan Ghorbani) >and is looking to continue training in any Hapkido style available near >Manhattan, Kansas. Can anyone offer any advice ? > >Regards, > >Martin >www.hapkido.ie > >-- >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.21/96 - Release Date: >10/09/2005 >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list,  2000 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 11:44:06 -0500 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Padding and Pulling Punches Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<>> I agree. IMHO, most students would be better served spending their training time ACTUALLY beating the crap out of training implements (bags, shields, and pads) with full force strikes as opposed to PRETENDING to beat the crap out of each other with pulled punches and kicks. Unfortunately, many striking arts have been tainted by the "point fighting" mentality and it shows in their training methods of choice. --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: "the_dojang" Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 13:10:29 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Last word on the term Player Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear John you wrote-- the dictionary's difinition of the english term "player" as "a participant or a specialist in a game or a sport" The term by this difinition would be appropriate only if the "player" is participating in a game or a sport. TKD, being the national SPORT of Korea, may choose to use this term. Judo as a sport may choose to use this term. I believe, from what I have heard is that Master West and others in Hapkido are using this term to show honor or respect to another. That is not the same IMHO. As for me in Soo Bahk Do Moo Duk Kwan. The founder Grandmaster Hwang Kee defined the Soo Bahk Do as not being a sport, and registered it with the Korean government as a Martial Art not a sport. Realistic self-defense, and or the art of Military tachtics is not a game because the results at the end of the contest is not a trophy at the local tournament. The result may be that you survived a real life attack with no ref, and no judges. Combat is not a game or a sport. If others choose to use the term to show honor and respect to another. I can respect that. If they use the term to reflect that a person is a specialist in a game or sport that is fine with me, but to say I am a great player in the game or sport of real life self defense is IMHO misguided. JCGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Howard Spivey" To: Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 17:10:43 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: "Inappropriate comment" Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "Question the general intelligence of the author"??? Nonsense. A satirical comment about Bush,or any other subject for that matter, says nothing about the intelligence of the person making the comment. Jye consitently posts valuable things here - the piece on relaxation and extension being a good example. If you're somehow making the general inference that everything Jye posts is questionable because of his single comment about Bush, I'd suggest you re-think your logic. "Highly inapropriate comment which would lead a person to question the motives and/or general intelligence of the author. Also brings into question any other "info" provided by such a person..." --__--__-- Message: 5 From: To: Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 17:15:32 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Bad JYE Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Jye nigma "One way to have more available energy is to waste less. I wish George Bush would get that idea, but it's a difficult one for a cokehead to grasp." This is totally uncalled for and un-American of you. George I. Petrotta ISA Director www.sungjado.org/ isahdq@sc.rr.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 18:11:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Sport Soo Bahk Do Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Press & Sun Bulletin Binghamton, NY 20th Autumn Invitational Regional Soo Bahk Do Championship, Winding River Karate, 333 Front St, Binghamton, NY. 9:00 AM. Free to spectators. --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Ruth Hansen" To: Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:15:19 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Sparring Gear Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi You'All, You all sound to be Hapkido people, yes? I am a 52 year old (female) 1st Dan in Taekwondo....have been very much enjoying reading your messages! Our school uses all the gear that has been invented, I think. Olympic style sparring involves kicking and punching to the target areas hard enough to cause "sudden body displacement". Point style only requires light contact to score. Our students choose which style they like. I've always liked Olympic better,as I'm faster and more powerful with my feet than hands. Very different strategies...Point allows head punches, Olympic only head kicks. We have very few injuries, as most people strike hard....but not unnecessarily so...and temper their power based on what the partner can take. Yet even with all the gear, and the care of my fellows, my body can no longer take the impacts. This Monday, I dislocated my shoulder, just by spinning suddenly. Sigh. It is with great sadness that I am suddenly relegated to only forms and weapons. Sparring helped teach me to overcome fear, to stay quiet and soft in my torso, to stay light on my feet....and I'm only just now starting to read the body language of my opponent. RH --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE: Padding and Pulling Punches To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 20:43:11 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > ... Unfortunately, many striking arts have been tainted by the > "point fighting" mentality and it shows in their training methods of > choice. Ditto that. I spent years doing point style in Tang Soo Do. Then it took more years to break the bad habits that were developed. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest