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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. RE: Striking and Kicking Training Thought (Stovall, Craig) 2. Dojang fitness (JR West) 3. MMA in SK (Ray) 4. GM Ji seminar (Sharon Tkach) 5. Re: The_Dojang digest Protective gear (mark scianna) 6. Re: Happy Chuseok (aburrese@aol.com) 7. Re: Last Chance for GM Ji Seminar (Chris LaCava) 8. Tae Know Do Membership with World Grandmaster Kim Bok Man (Ray) 9. Re: video clip: rock breaking (Ray) 10. sport and Soo Bahk Do (Gladewater SooBahkDo) 11. Last word on the term Player (Johnjfitzg@aol.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:23:34 -0500 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Striking and Kicking Training Thought Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<>> Yes, this is a really good idea, and you are onto something if you're already doing it. You can see numerous examples of this type of training in the "executive self-defense" programs that became vogue over the last 15 years. I'm sure we've all seen footage of some fair lady going ape$h!t with knees and elbows on some guy padded up in one of those "bullet man" suits. What it allows you to do is get into "overkill" mode against a target that approximates a human, and avoids the students having to resort to IQ reducing full-contact sparring in order to understand the adrenaline rush that accompanies really letting loose. A little more sophisticated practice (and one that I also endorse) is what you see most of the top Muay Thai trainers doing. Go to one of the better Thai equipment sites like Fairtex, and you'll find an extensive array of equipment out there that basically allows a trainer to turn himself into a human punching bag. Between thigh guards, a belly pad, and two focus pads the trainer can pretty much take anything that's being thrown at him and make sure that the trainee is utilizing logical combinations and applying them with proper speed and power. IMHO, many striking arts that have been overtly influenced by the point sparring modality need to move more toward this type of "beat up the friendly guy in the pads". --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "JR West" To: Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:59:52 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Dojang fitness Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sid said "Most of us require a standard of physical fitness in our dojangs. In fact, it's pretty much impossible to perform drills, forms, sparring etc without a degree of fitness. But over and above that, I've seen some masters require performance of a number of push-ups, sit-ups etc to reach the next belt. I've included in my dojang, the requirement to meet all of the President's physical fitness standards by the time a student is 5th kup. What do others do in this regard?" At my dojang, every class starts with an hour of stretching and strengthening, which includes several types of push-ups, sit-ups, crunches as well as some pseudo Yoga type stretching and strengthening. The result of this is two fold, first it keeps out a portion of those that really are not interested in working all that hard, although we don't ask anyone to do all the movements all the time, and if they could, why would they be there? Secondly, as hard as we "play", we really don't have a lot of the wrist, elbow and shoulder injuries that seem to be so common. By the time someone starts getting close to chodan, they're usually in pretty good condition. At 61, I'm amazed at how well I can still get around, especially compared to some of my friends that are close to my age. "I don't want to live to be 100 knowing my body died when I was 50". This quote belongs to Bud Clesi, who started his Hapkido training uder me at 62, and opened his own school at 72. J. R. West www.hapkido.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 15:01:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] MMA in SK Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Taekwondo, Hapkido Come to World of Fighting SEPTEMBER 16, 2005 06:34 by Won-Hong Lee The Dong-A Ilbo As more Koreans become interested in watching mixed martial arts fighting, there seems to be a potential for a large market. However, there are still challenges to overcome. What are the prospects of mixed martial arts fighting in Korea? Making Korean Stars- Currently, most fans are interested in famous foreign athletes. Therefore Korean agencies are making finding Korean athletes a top priority. The biggest Korean stars at present are Choi Moo-bae (Team Tackle), Denis Kang (Spirit MC), and Park Hyun-sung (Team Pheonix). Agencies believe that the success of the Korean market depends on new Korean star athletes, and are doing everything they can to find them. Entlian plans to air a 20-part documentary on cable TV about the life and training of Lee Jae-sun, Park Jong-kwon, Choi Young, and Lim Jae-suk. These four men are in the semi-finals of the "SpiritMC Seven Middleweight Grand Prix" which will take place on October 29 at Jangchung Gymnasium. Koma GP will enlist the help of a celebrity manager for the winner of this year's tournament. Market Size- Korea's martial arts fighting market is worth billions of won. However many agencies are still recording deficits because they do not have a lot of contracts for broadcasting rights and sponsors, which are the sport's main sources of income. However, Park Kwang-hyun, CEO of Entlian, believes "the market will reach 100 billion won in a couple of years." The Japanese mixed martial arts market is over 100 times bigger than Korea's. A Pride match that took place between Emelianenko Fedor (Russia) and Mirko "Cro-cop" Filipovic (Croatia) on August 29 sold out completely. The 47,000 tickets ranged from 170,000 won to one million won each. The Japanese mixed martial arts fighting market is estimated to be worth approximately one trillion won. Challenges and prospects- Strict rules and safety are essential issues to be dealt with, so that the general population will not merely consider the sport violent. According to Kim Myeong-gu, the sports marketing team leader at IB Sports, there are about 50,000 registered athletes in 500 related organizations. He also estimated that there are about 300,000 mixed martial arts-related people in Korea, unofficially. Kim said, "Korea has the greatest infrastructure in the world for mixed martial arts fighting." However, mainstream martial arts such as taekwondo, hapkido, and taekkyun, refrain from participating in mixed martial arts fights. The success of Korean mixed martial arts fighting depends on the interaction between these different types of martial arts. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Sharon Tkach" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 15:33:30 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] GM Ji seminar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >This could be one of the last opportunities to train with Grandmaster Ji, Han Jae in an open forum with some of his top Sin Moo Hapkido Masters. < Why? Is he retiring or ? ~Sharon --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 17:56:43 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mark scianna To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: The_Dojang digest Protective gear Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Bruce If you don't mind a comment from a KSW guy, I have had expirience with that type of training, both during police defensive tactics and asp training (we use a "redman" suit, whch nearly completely covers and protects the patsy wearing it) and while training at an mma & kenpo school, where the instructor came up with his own sort of red man suit, and he did it for exactly the reasons you describe. I do think this type of training has value, and is a good way to gauge what type of power your students are unleasing on this unsuspecting world. Mark S --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 19:11:16 -0400 From: aburrese@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Happy Chuseok Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Thanks for the Happy Chuseok wishes Ray, and Happy Chuseok to everyone else celebrating this weekend. Unfortunately the holiday weekend is starting out pretty wet. It is Saturday morning as I write this, and it is raining out. It's coming down pretty hard, but not as hard as it was around 5:00 am this morning, it was really pouring then. I hope it lets up soon, since a lot of people will be traveling, etc. and it will make a much nicer holiday weekend without the rain. Happy Chuseok, Alain www.burrese.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Chris LaCava" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 20:09:42 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Last Chance for GM Ji Seminar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mike Mc. <> If I wasn't going to be in Korea, you know I'd be there. Have a blast!!! Take care Chris "from CT" LaCava LaCava's Martial Arts Westport, CT. http://lmaa.bravepages.com Online Store- http://www.cafepress.com/hapkidogear --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 17:15:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Tae Know Do Membership with World Grandmaster Kim Bok Man Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Just a spam I recieved that made me laugh... Florida strikes again. ----------------------------------------------------------------- World Chun Kuhn Do Federation & United States Chun Kuhn Do Federation Chun Kuhn Do is a new martial art developed by the Tae Kwon Do legend, Grandmaster Bok Man Kim. It's a complete art encompassing all areas of self defense: traditional Tae Kwon Do, hand and foot fighting, grappling, throwing and weapons. We are soliciting for memberships for Grandmasters, Masters, Instructors and students. School Charters and International Affiliations are available. Email your request to daisokeblack@aol.com Grandmaster Bok Man Kim Founder of Chun Kuhn Do Tae Kwon Do is considered one of the oldest martial arts in the world — estimated at over 2,000 years old. Tae Kwon Do literally means the "art of hand and foot fighting." It is one of the fastest growing martial arts today, due in part to the efforts of Bok Man Kim, a 10th Degree black belt who has pioneered the international development of traditional Tae Kwon Do. Black Belt magazine once called him the "father" of Tae Kwon Do and he has been instructing for the past 53 years. Over the course of his career he has taught and performed for presidents and royalty in Southeast Asia and Europe. In 1941, at age 7, Bok Man Kim was introduced to the ancient Korean foot- fighting techniques of To-San, forerunner of Tae Kwon Do. A Martial Arts Legend Takes It to the Next Level Grandmaster Bok Man Kim, the famous Tae Kwon Do practitioner, has developed a new art - Chun Kuhn Do. This art was developed during 50 years of research and experience, beginning with his career in the Korean army spent developing armed and unarmed combat techniques for Tae Kwon Do, and continuing still to this day spending as much time as possible working with black belts and masters from many different martial arts. These experiences have resulted in very practical, effective Chun Kuhn Do techniques. It's also resulted in a very open, flexible style that allows for growth and improvement. Practical Techniques for Real Application Unlike many martial arts that focus on only one type of technique — like grappling or hand and foot sparring — Grandmaster Kim has developed a style with many applications. Hand and foot techniques Grappling Free sparring Weapons Weapons sparring Self defense All of the Chun Kuhn Do methods were developed with real world applications in mind. It incorporates over 10 weapons: Sword and double sword Cane Baton (short stick) and double baton Bayonet Knife and double knives Kamas Combat fan and double fan Pole Linked-batons (nun-chucks) and double linked-batons Spear Chun Kuhn Do has taken the practical, easy-to-learn qualities of Taekwondo, and applied them to grappling and weapons techniques. Chun Kuhn Do makes a great addition to any martial arts school program. Seminars are available, please contact me personally to set one up in your area. For information on membership or affiliation please email your request to: daisokeblack@aol.com Thank you for your time, in the martial spirit I remain, Dr. Ric Black - 9th Dan Executive Vide President World Chun Kuhn Do Federation President United States World Chun Kuhn Do Federation 1489 Covington Circle West Fort Myers FL 33919 Looking for Regional Directors, State Directors and International Directors for: The World Chun Kuhn Do Federation United States Chun Kuhn Do Federation United States Police Defensive Tactics Association --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] video clip: rock breaking To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 17:35:22 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > http://shaolincentrala.trilogic.cz/zeleznadlan.mpeg Watch how he slightly lifts the rock just before hitting it. That is the trick to doing this break. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: "the_dojang" Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 22:24:56 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] sport and Soo Bahk Do Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ray You make a good point. Why or how can we in the Soo Bahk Do claim to not be sport when we often have competitions. I ask my instructor about this years ago, and the answer I got was this. We hold competitions not for the purpose of competition (I know this sounds odd). The competitions are closed to only Soo Bahk Do and ussually have instructional clinics taught as well. The reason for Soo bahk Do tournamnets is three fold. (1) financial stability for the US federation, or the region in which they are held. (2) The tournaments are presented as learning oppertunities, not competitions. (3) It creates a reason or an occation for members from all around a region, or around the country, or world to gather and share the brotherhood that is Moo Duk Kwan. I have competed in open point competitions many times. I have competed in full contact PKA kick boxing matches. I have competed in jujitsu competetions. Each competition was different in the way I approached the event. Having said all this, Yes Soo Bahk Do does organize and promote some tournaments, however they are presented to the students as oppertunities to learn more about the art of Soo Bahk Do, not as competitions to win a trophy. I will agree there are exceptions, but this is how I believe Hwang Kee Kwan Jang Nim intented it to be in the Moo Duk Kwan. JCGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 11 From: Johnjfitzg@aol.com Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 23:25:27 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Last word on the term Player Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Gladewater SooBahkDo: Thanks for sharing you views on MA as a sport. In general, what most people refer to as MA are basically eastern fighting systems. I believe most adults start training in MA to gain self defense skills and this would include me. However, I believe millions of people around the world continue to participate and train in MA because they enjoy the recreational and /or sport aspect of it. This includes Hapkido and Soo Bahk Do Moo Duk Kwan. >From my readings of history, I have learned that Martial Artist and others trained in fighting systems have been testing their skills by challenging others in competitions for thousands of years. These competitions are a form of sport and, in some case, the competitors were killed. Many MA skills are deadly, but they can become sport such as archery. Even in today’s sports such as boxing and TKD, competitors have been killed, unfortunately. I think you may agree that boxing and TKD are both fighting systems and sports. As one may conclude, they still can be deadly as well as effective fighting systems. I do not believe that just because some activity become a sport or is labeled a sport means it is less deadly or effective. A clear example is hunting. One goes hunting with a gun to kill a wild animal. We refer to the wild animals as “game.” We refer to the hunters as “sportsman” and we refer to hunting as a sport. I should note that the “game” is sometime gets killed. You noted that the art of Military tactics is not a game. As you probably know, when the military is training, they sometime refer to it as “war games.” You also noted that Combat is not a game or a sport, which I agree. Having said that, practicing MA is not combat. In any case, it is not a big deal to me, but I wanted to share a few of my thoughts with you. Cheers John --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest