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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. RE: Bruce and accupuncture (George Peters) 2. Grandmaster Bok Man Kim (Master Lugo) 3. drsenn2 on language....... (George Peters) 4. Re: Chuseok (Klaas Barends) 5. Chuseok (A. Boyd) 6. Re: The_Dojang digest, the Pro Hapkido Federation (mark scianna) 7. Re: drsenn2 on language....... (drsenn2) 8. Re: Grandmaster Bok Man Kim (Ray) 9. Padding and Punch Pulling (Vincent DeSalvo) 10. RE: Striking and Kicking Training Though (Vincent DeSalvo) 11. Re: Striking and Kicking Training Thought (Lorne Keatley) 12. KWAN vs. HAE in the Korean language. (Fred Gommels) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "George Peters" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 00:00:40 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Bruce and accupuncture Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Good Sir, I very strongly agree with you on this, I have had painkillers, muscle relaxers, etc prescribed by an MD, with all the therapy anyone could handle, and with all that, no improvment. When I go to my accupuncture Dr.(MD in western med, trained in China for traditional healing), he shows me that my meds conflict and its a wonder I'm living, then proceeds to treat the problem very effectively using traditional methods. Respectfully, George --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: 17 Sep 2005 04:14:51 -0000 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: "Master Lugo" Cc: daisokeblack@aol.com Subject: [The_Dojang] Grandmaster Bok Man Kim Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I do not get the joke if any; GM Bok Man Kim is a TRUE legend in Taekwondo. In fact was spreading Taekwondo before the world knew what Taekwondo was. Now he is spreading his newly developed art “Chun Kuhn Do Taekwondo” after 50 years of practice and instruction. Lugo 6th Dan Personally tested by Gm Bok Man Kim Message: 8 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 17:15:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Tae Know Do Membership with World Grandmaster Kim Bok Man Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Just a spam I recieved that made me laugh... Florida strikes again. ----------------------------------------------------------------- World Chun Kuhn Do Federation & United States Chun Kuhn Do Federation Chun Kuhn Do is a new martial art developed by the Tae Kwon Do legend, Grandmaster Bok Man Kim. It's a complete art encompassing all areas of self defense: traditional Tae Kwon Do, hand and foot fighting, grappling, throwing and weapons. We are soliciting for memberships for Grandmasters, Masters, Instructors and students. School Charters and International Affiliations are available. Email your request to daisokeblack@aol.com Grandmaster Bok Man Kim Founder of Chun Kuhn Do Tae Kwon Do is considered one of the oldest martial arts in the world ? estimated at over 2,000 years old. Tae Kwon Do literally means the "art of hand and foot fighting." It is one of the fastest growing martial arts today, due in part to the efforts of Bok Man Kim, a 10th Degree black belt who has pioneered the international development of traditional Tae Kwon Do. Black Belt magazine once called him the "father" of Tae Kwon Do and he has been instructing for the past 53 years. Over the course of his career he has taught and performed for presidents and royalty in Southeast Asia and Europe. In 1941, at age 7, Bok Man Kim was introduced to the ancient Korean foot- fighting techniques of To-San, forerunner of Tae Kwon Do. A Martial Arts Legend Takes It to the Next Level Grandmaster Bok Man Kim, the famous Tae Kwon Do practitioner, has developed a new art - Chun Kuhn Do. This art was developed during 50 years of research and experience, beginning with his career in the Korean army spent developing armed and unarmed combat techniques for Tae Kwon Do, and continuing still to this day spending as much time as possible working with black belts and masters from many different martial arts. These experiences have resulted in very practical, effective Chun Kuhn Do techniques. It's also resulted in a very open, flexible style that allows for growth and improvement. Practical Techniques for Real Application Unlike many martial arts that focus on only one type of technique ? like grappling or hand and foot sparring ? Grandmaster Kim has developed a style with many applications. Hand and foot techniques Grappling Free sparring Weapons Weapons sparring Self defense All of the Chun Kuhn Do methods were developed with real world applications in mind. It incorporates over 10 weapons: Sword and double sword Cane Baton (short stick) and double baton Bayonet Knife and double knives Kamas Combat fan and double fan Pole Linked-batons (nun-chucks) and double linked-batons Spear Chun Kuhn Do has taken the practical, easy-to-learn qualities of Taekwondo, and applied them to grappling and weapons techniques. Chun Kuhn Do makes a great addition to any martial arts school program. Seminars are available, please contact me personally to set one up in your area. For information on membership or affiliation please email your request to: daisokeblack@aol.com Thank you for your time, in the martial spirit I remain, Dr. Ric Black - 9th Dan Executive Vide President World Chun Kuhn Do Federation President United States World Chun Kuhn Do Federation 1489 Covington Circle West Fort Myers FL 33919 Looking for Regional Directors, State Directors and International Directors for: The World Chun Kuhn Do Federation United States Chun Kuhn Do Federation United States Police Defensive Tactics Association --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "George Peters" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 00:25:26 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] drsenn2 on language....... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Good Sir, Sorry you do not believe in tradition. My art is and all its facets(language included) have been perfected and are NOT in flux such as the degradation of our language is. Any traditonal practictioner would surely recognize this. Respectfully, George --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Klaas Barends Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 15:11:59 +0900 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Chuseok Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Happy Chuseok Yeah, a weekend filled with delicious food......yummy My wife's parents came to us for a change. (they live down south and we just below Seoul, so the traffic doesn't hit them as hard as it would us) -- kind regards, Klaas Barends http://www.hapkido.nl/ Dutch HKD Federation http://www.sangmookwan.com/ SangMooKwan International Training Center Korea --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 04:15:42 -0400 (EDT) From: "A. Boyd" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Chuseok Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Alain got his wish... the rain let up here in Seoul toward the middle of the afternoon washing grit, noise, and a bajillion people out toward "the provinces". I find that fewer people are travelling to visit family - and that more and more people are living in Seoul - the more years I spend in Korea. In our early years here we would use the big holidays of Solnal and Chuseok for travel in Asia. This is getting much harder lately - in fact I couldn't get a flight out to Osaka this weekend - as people are starting to take offtime for their own uses. Perhaps that is one of the reasons why I don't get homesick anymore... Anthony Boyd: Swordsman and English Teacher hdgdforum.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 04:15:26 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mark scianna To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: The_Dojang digest, the Pro Hapkido Federation Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Have any of you Hapkido guys heard of the Pro Hapkido Federation? Is it a recomendible org? Mark S WKSW --__--__-- Message: 7 From: drsenn2 Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] drsenn2 on language....... Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 09:42:46 -0500 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net My defense of the term "player" = I don't believe in tradition? I'm sorry, but you will have to explain that to me a bit further. I have made exactly one response to this digest since I have been a member, and it is safe to assume that unless you are in the dojang with me, you know nothing about me. It is quite a jump to assume that because I believe that a term used as a compliment can actually be received as one means that I do not believe in tradition. I now return to my regularly scheduled lurking. On Sep 16, 2005, at 11:25 PM, George Peters wrote: > Good Sir, > Sorry you do not believe in tradition. My art is and all its > facets(language included) have been perfected and are NOT in flux > such as the degradation of our language is. Any traditonal > practictioner would surely recognize this. > Respectfully, > George > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/ > listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Grandmaster Bok Man Kim To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 07:46:59 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I do not get the joke if any; Perhaps it was these parts... [snip] > We are soliciting for memberships for Grandmasters, Masters, Instructors > and students. School Charters and International Affiliations are > available. > Email your request to daisokeblack@aol.com [snip] > Tae Kwon Do is considered one of the oldest martial arts in the world ? > estimated at over 2,000 years old. [snip] > Black Belt magazine once called him the "father" of Tae Kwon Do [snip] > In 1941, at age 7, Bok Man Kim was introduced to the ancient Korean foot- > fighting techniques of To-San, forerunner of Tae Kwon Do. [snip] > Seminars are available, please contact me personally to set one up in your > area. [snip] > Looking for Regional Directors, State Directors and International > Directors > for: The World Chun Kuhn Do Federation > United States Chun Kuhn Do Federation > United States Police Defensive Tactics Association --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Vincent DeSalvo" To: Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 14:54:42 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Padding and Punch Pulling Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >>... Unfortunately, many striking arts have been tainted by the >>"point fighting" mentality and it shows in their training methods of >>choice. >> True But we do have to remember that when we spar one another are bodies do learn and adapt to the force and forces we put on them. It is easily seen when you watch say a green belt vs. a red belt whose body can handle (absorb) the stronger (harder) techniques. So when you say they don't hit that hard grab a Joe off the street and with his permission knock him around with point fighting and see what he says. I will say not all point fighters are the same just like not all boxes are the same, some are technicians and some are wind mills. Vincent --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Vincent DeSalvo" To: Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 15:19:14 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Striking and Kicking Training Though Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<>> In my younger years I used to let my student do this on me for several reasons. One it helped them throw full punches and kicks on a human body without fear of getting tagged back. Second it condition my body for my full contact matches, third it teaches you to breath (absorb) with the blows. Next it increases your body stamina and last it improves your reflex time for blocking blows to the head and when you get tired of taking the blows to the body. Now that those days are gone (full contact) I find other ways to abuse my body in MA. --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "Lorne Keatley" To: Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 20:16:02 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Striking and Kicking Training Thought Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Bruce, I most defintiely agree with padding up and allowing the students to practice strikes and kicks. I mainly use kicking shields, a belly pad and focus mitts. In my opinoon, this type of training is invaluable to the student as they get to try to use the strikes in an environment very close to what they would do in the street. They get used to using strikes with power and get used to the feeling of hitting something solid and the jarring motion associated with that. Everyone has strikes and kicks in their curriculum and I think it would be foolish not to utilize this type of training. If students are just shown the strikes and kicks but have no avenue to practice using them, do they really know them? I seriously doubt it. Lorne Keatley Bruce writes: > > In the spirit of Craig and Ray's responses I thought I would throw-out an > idea. > > In Hapkido I pride myself on being able to continue to get out on the mat > with students and let > them throw me around. I figure its better that they experiment with > someone who has > experience in falling and such than to try something with a > lesser-experienced partner. > > > Having said that I am wonder what the Hapkido people here might think of > an instructor putting > on protective gear ('hogu") --- say, reinforced chest protector and solid > headgear---- and letting > their students use their techniques hard against another person. Now, what > I am talking about > is NOT sparring. Its not a matter of hitting back. What I am talking about > is the instructor being > able to gauge how hard a student can swat when they are given a chance to > really cut-loose. > In kyoshunkai we did a lot of torso work and I was surprised at how hard I > had to hit (in addition > to the amount of force I HAD been using) to actualy have something > register on some of my > partners. Thoughts? > > Best Wishes, > > Bruce --__--__-- Message: 12 From: "Fred Gommels" To: "DOJANG DIGEST" Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 19:25:45 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] KWAN vs. HAE in the Korean language. Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net KWAN vs. HAE Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 09:04:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher Spiller I've recently noticed that some websites refer to the Moo Duk Kwan while others refer to the Moo Duk Hae. Can anyone with a knowledge of Korean give me a definition of the term "hae"? HAE is the often shortened version of Hyup Hae meaning association. KWAN Most of the traditional TKD Kwans started out in gymnasiums and used the suffix kwan such as MooDukKwan, ChungDoKwan. etc. Some of these kwans have now become so well-organized and wide spread that their use of kwan in their name has the connotation of association. Kwan is also a common suffix for: toh suh kwan meaning library pang muhl kwan meaning museum mee sul kwan meaning fine art museum Chae yook kwan meaning fitness or athletic center, also martial arts school See http://www.mafci.com/terminology/ for additional info on Korean martial art terminology. Fredrick J. Gommels Martial Art Fitness Centers, Inc. 2849 S. Broadway Rochester MN 55904 507-281-4335 www.mafci.com www.simmudo.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest