Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 03:00:47 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 12 #381 - 5 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. padding and gear?? (Hapkidoman5@wmconnect.com) 2. Re: KWAN vs. HAE (Christopher Spiller) 3. KWAN vs. HAE in the Korean language (J R Hilland) 4. Grandmaster Bok Man Kim (Dennis McHenry) 5. Re: Grandmaster Bok Man Kim (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Hapkidoman5@wmconnect.com Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 10:53:12 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] padding and gear?? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net You mean to tell us that you let Hapkido students kick and punch the hogue?Why we all know Hapkido doesn't have hard kicking and striking techniques i mean after all its a soft style right, and God knows there are no linear kicks like front kicks or straight spear hands or anything? kicks,arent all kicks just used to distract instead of hurt people and don't we always use circles instead of taking the shortest distance who needs speed?After all Hapkido is not a true um yang system is it its purely soft style right??? tongue in cheek k carter --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 10:38:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher Spiller To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: KWAN vs. HAE Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I just wanted to post a "thank-you" reply to those folks who answered my question regarding the differences in meaning between "kwan" and "hae", both on-list and via private e-mail. Taekwon, Chris __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "J R Hilland" To: Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 13:39:50 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] KWAN vs. HAE in the Korean language Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<>> On this webpage was the following: Hapkido - unity energy way - joint locks and takedowns, with some striking. Although I would find it next to impossible to condense the complete art of hapkido into seven words, this particular explanation of hapkido does not come close. here is a 'partial' list of what I teach: Striking techniques ki striking techniques Blocking techniques Kicking techniques Locking and pinning techniques Throwing techniques Choking techniques Pressure point techniques Weapons techniques Breaking techniques Carrying or arresting techniques Ground techniques Joint manipulation techniques Speed throws Although it has been shown before on the DD, it has been a while, so I will repost the article - Hapkido is a Complete Art, Not an Add On - by Alain Burrese: "Often I hear the comment, “Oh, we do Hapkido too,” from someone who trains in TKD or some other art. The problem is not with people who have trained in more than one art, but in that many places teach a few joint locks and hoshinsul techniques from a Hapkido curriculum, and then claim they “do” or “teach” Hapkido too. It seems that these people do not realize the fact that Hapkido is a complete martial art, and not something you just “add” onto another style. The schools I trained at in Korea were Hapkido schools, and Hapkido schools only. Hapkido was not a few joint locks added on the side, but the complete martial art that it is, including training in breathing, falling, blocking, striking, kicking, joint locks, throws, forms, weapons, and more. We did Hapkido every class, every day. (And for me, it was two classes a day Monday through Friday and then one on Saturday) To advance through the ranks of Hapkido, you must train in all these areas. I do not have anything against a TKD instructor who wants to teach some joint locks or self-defense techniques from Hapkido to help his students be better martial artists and more rounded. But it should be called what it is. “We practice some techniques from Hapkido,” not “We do Hapkido too,” and advertising as a Hapkido school. There really is a big difference in adding a few things on, and training at a Hapkido school where that is all they do. Now there are some people that have earned the rank in both arts and can teach both. The programs will be different, and not really interchangeable, since a TKD class and HKD class are different, since they are different arts with different emphasizes. And it is interesting that so many TKD schools add HKD, where I have not seen a HKD school that added TKD. I’m not knocking TKD, but it is sort of interesting, don’t you think? And it is TKD schools that seem to “add HKD on” the most. If you are a TKD instructor, and you teach some Hapkido techniques that you have learned in the self-defense or hoshinsul portion of your class, great. Just be sure to let your students know that these are just a portion of what you would learn in a Hapkido program. If you want to learn Hapkido, I recommend a Hapkido program, not just a little added on to something else. The Hapkido program should have its own curriculum and teach all of the things listed above. Note, a school can have a TKD program and a separate Hapkido program, and if you go to both you will find they are quite different, or at least they should be. Or, as I did in Korea, and as you can do elsewhere too, you can go to a school that is Hapkido only. The main thing is to realize that Hapkido is a complete art and not just the addition of a couple joint locks and throws to something else." JRH www.rrhapkido.com www.hapkidoselfdefense.com --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 19:36:04 -0500 From: Dennis McHenry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Grandmaster Bok Man Kim Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "Tae Kwon Do is considered one of the oldest martial arts in the world estimated at over 2,000 years old. ….. the efforts of Bok Man Kim, a 10th Degree black belt who has pioneered the international development of traditional Tae Kwon Do. …. Black Belt magazine once called him the "father" of Tae Kwon Do In 1941, at age 7, Bok Man Kim was introduced to the ancient Korean foot- fighting techniques of To-San, forerunner of Tae Kwon Do." OK, so if TKD is over 2000 years old, and GM Bok Man Kim was called the "father" of TKD, has pioneered the development of TKD, and he was training in techniques that were the forerunner of TKD, that makes GM Bok Man Kim over 2000 years old, doesn't it? --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Grandmaster Bok Man Kim To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 19:31:01 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I find mention of a KIM Bok Nam, an early graduate of the Ji Do Kwan. But no mention of a KIM Bok Man in the Modern History of Taekwondo. Could they perhaps be one in the same with a slight name change once arriving in the US? Just curious... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest