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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. RE: The Point Sparring Training Problem (PETER.MCDONALDSMITH@london-fire.gov.uk) 2. RE: Bok Man Kim (Rick Clark) 3. Re: Tae Kwon Do History (Ray) 4. RE: The Point Sparring Training Problem (Jye nigma) 5. Re: Training Clarification (Lorne Keatley) 6. Re: What system? (mvoncannon@akdwa.org) 7. RE: What system? (Clint Cayson) 8. Korean literature position at UC Irvine (Ray) 9. What System (Gordon) 10. Re: What System (Jae Stulock) 11. What System - Capoeira? (Gordon) 12. Re: What System (jakskru) 13. Re: What System - Capoeira? (jakskru) --__--__-- Message: 1 Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] The Point Sparring Training Problem Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 00:15:12 +0100 From: To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net At my dojang we do both point and continuous sparring. I would like to put my 2 pence worth. When we train for comp and point sparring I think that this is actually prepares one BETTER for a self defence than continuous fighting. As many of you know breaking is a discipline that is used properly can enhance ones fighting techniques. I am lucky to have a high level of fitness so when I night I tend to wear my opponent down back them into a corner then ambush. In point sparring you have to think work out an opening then strike. I actually think that clean techniques delivered with power arms someone to defend themselves a bit like 1,2&3 step sparring. **************************************************************************** SMOKE ALARMS SAVE LIVES Go to London Fire at www.london-fire.gov.uk/firesafety This email is confidential to the addressee only. If you do not believe that you are the intended addressee, do not use, pass on or copy it in any way. If you have received it in error, please delete it immediately and telephone the supplied number, reversing the charges if necessary. --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 18:17:19 -0500 From: "Rick Clark" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Bok Man Kim To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi JR, >From: J R Hilland [mailto:hapkido@wah.midco.net] >Yes there were many errors in that article from Florida about >Master Kim Bok Man, but as taekwondo was founded the decade >you and I were born by General Choi, I don't feel a year over 1000! :) In a manner of speaking you are correct. Gen. Choi Hong Hi did "suggest" the name Tae Kwon Do to a group of heads of Kwan - but as a General in a military dictatorship a "suggestion" I suspect carries a lot of weight - and not necessarily on the merits of martial arts skills. Rick Clark www.ao-denkou-kai.org --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Tae Kwon Do History To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:25:10 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Can anyone refer me to the mention of the name Tae Kwon Do older than 50 years > or so. I single legitamate history book, or historical document. You can probably find something just a few months older than 50 years, but nothing beyond that. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 17:33:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] The Point Sparring Training Problem To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I think step sparring, point sparring , breaking, etc are factors which could indeed help someone in a real fight...but I think they are merely pieces of a puzzle. I don't believe one who learns to break boards or bricks is necessarily well suited to fight. That just means that they can break boards and bricks in a controlled situation just like when competing. Even if one had mastered how to break boards and bricks that are thrown at them, that doesn't even mean they would be able to use that ability in a fight. 1 2 3 step sparring is cool for those who like it. Me personally, I think it should be practiced a little more realistically. Self defense- I think you really get to see who learned what as it pertains to self defense if self defense is done freestyle. I can't really see how sparring could help one in the realm of self defense except for a few components like footwork, bridging, etc. Jye PETER.MCDONALDSMITH@london-fire.gov.uk wrote: At my dojang we do both point and continuous sparring. I would like to put my 2 pence worth. When we train for comp and point sparring I think that this is actually prepares one BETTER for a self defence than continuous fighting. As many of you know breaking is a discipline that is used properly can enhance ones fighting techniques. I am lucky to have a high level of fitness so when I night I tend to wear my opponent down back them into a corner then ambush. In point sparring you have to think work out an opening then strike. I actually think that clean techniques delivered with power arms someone to defend themselves a bit like 1,2&3 step sparring. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Lorne Keatley" To: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 00:07:27 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Training Clarification Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Bruce, Well we were sort of talking about the same thing and sort of not I guess. I have never worn a hogu and I really have no idea what protections that would give. I have in past suited up and done as you described, slowed down my motion so that students could learn how to exploit openings but that was not full contact, semi at most. I have however suited up and gone to about 75% full bore with some of the more enthusiastic fighters. But going full bore just results in too many bruises. I guess it really depends on what the individual student needs. That is the role of a coach in my opinion, recognize what each students needs and provide that for them. Lorne Keatley Bruce wrote: > > Dear Lorne et al: > > Thanks to you and everyone for the responses to my suggestion. Just one > small clarification so that people understand what I am advocating. > > > In training my students, I, too, use target mitts and kicking shields for > accuracy and power respectively. What I was advocating with the hogu > and headgear was the chance to adapt to a target with more Human > contours and mobility. I am not saying that I would suit-up and then > duck/bob/weave all over the mat. Rather, I would move about the mat > at a slow or medium speed that would require the student to acquire his > targets and re-focus on a moment-by-moment basis, thus narrowing the > window of opportunity for any given technique significantly. > > > If people had already guessed at this goal, please excuse my belaboring > the point. Thoughts? > > Best Wishes, > > Bruce --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 08:23:31 -0500 From: mvoncannon@akdwa.org To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] What system? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Quoting Jye nigma : > Ok party people hears a question even the lurkers can answer.... > > what system of martial art have you not sparred against yet that you would > like to? > > Jye > > Jeet Kun Do. All of the others I have seen or sparred against. Not that I am super great at sparring, I just want to see it. - Martin --__--__-- Message: 7 Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] What system? Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 10:28:36 -0400 From: "Clint Cayson" To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Err... a ninja? -----Original Message----- From: Jye nigma [mailto:kingjye@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 4:01 PM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net; itf-taekwondo@yahoogroups.com Subject: [The_Dojang] What system? Ok party people hears a question even the lurkers can answer.... what system of martial art have you not sparred against yet that you would like to? Jye --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 07:47:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Korean literature position at UC Irvine Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Fyi... Assistant Professor in Korean Literature The Department of East Asian Languages and Literatures at the University of California, Irvine invites applications for a junior appointment in Korean literature, with area and period of specialization open. Applicants should have a Ph.D. (or be near completion of the degree) in Korean literature or other area of study that includes an emphasis in Korean literature, native or near-native proficiency in Korean and English, experience in teaching Korean studies courses at the college level, and a demonstrated commitment to academic research. The successful candidate will teach literature and upper-division language courses, supervise the Korean language program, and work to enhance the Korean Studies and East Asian Cultural Studies programs at both the undergraduate and graduate levels. The department values both interdisciplinary and transnational approaches in research and teaching, and would welcome applicants with interests that overlap with other units in UC Irvine's School of Humanities, including Asian-American Studies, Comparative Literature, Film and Media Studies, History, and Women's Studies. Please send letters of application, complete CV, and at least three letters of recommendation to: Chair, Korean Literature Search Committee University of California, Irvine Department of EALL HIB 443 Irvine, CA 92697-6000 Preference will be given to applications that are received in complete form by November 14, 2005. UC Irvine has an active career partner program, is an equal opportunity employer committed to excellence through diversity, and has a National Science Foundation Advance Gender Equity Program. Mindy Han (949) 824-2165 --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Gordon" To: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 10:16:07 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] What System Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ok party people hears a question even the lurkers can answer.... what system of martial art have you not sparred against yet that you would like to? Jye How about Bruce's Gorilla Spanks Monkey style. Gordon --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 09:31:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Jae Stulock Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] What System To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I've studied Brazilian Jujitsu for a number of years before Hapkido. Through that study I became aware of another brazilian martial art, Capoeira. Its billed as an African slave form that stems from a basic dance, which is evident in the style. I'd like to see capoeira employed as a martial art. Seems everyone around here (Cleveland, OH) calls it a martial art but all they do is dance to demonstrate it, no sparring. Usually its the same move repeated over and over, a stylized inside cresent kick to handstand. Through my research of the form I am aware of alot more depth to it. There is alot of gymnastic movement, kicks from handstands, attacks from cartwheels, ect. Anyone else know much about it? ~Jae --- Gordon wrote: > Ok party people hears a question even the lurkers > can answer.... > > > > what system of martial art have you not sparred > against yet that you would > like to? > > > > Jye > > > > > > > > How about Bruce's Gorilla Spanks Monkey style. > > > > > > Gordon > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "Gordon" To: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 12:26:15 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] What System - Capoeira? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have to agree with Jye. Capoeira has me curious. What a thrill it would be to confront someone who could effectively keep you at bay by doing cartwheels or kicking with their hands on the ground. All I've seen is the "demo dance" too. I try to imagine Capoeira at full speed, landing blows as they cartwheel around you. I think it would make me dizzy, but that's something I'd still like to see. Gordon --__--__-- Message: 12 From: "jakskru" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] What System Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:36:03 -0400 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net actually, thats my shtyle... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 11:16 AM Subject: [The_Dojang] What System > How about Bruce's Gorilla Spanks Monkey style. > > > > > > Gordon > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 13 From: "jakskru" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] What System - Capoeira? Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:38:17 -0400 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net havent you seen the movie "the rundown"?....watch the fight scene between the rock and ernie reyes jr. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 1:26 PM Subject: [The_Dojang] What System - Capoeira? > I have to agree with Jye. Capoeira has me curious. What a thrill it would > be to confront someone who could effectively keep you at bay by doing > cartwheels or kicking with their hands on the ground. > > All I've seen is the "demo dance" too. I try to imagine Capoeira at full > speed, landing blows as they cartwheel around you. > > I think it would make me dizzy, but that's something I'd still like to see. > > > > Gordon > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest