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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Sparing Partners (Gladewater SooBahkDo) 2. Re: Capoeira (Jeff Hazen) 3. RE: etc... (Rick Clark) 4. List may be slow for several days... (Ray) 5. Re: Sparring Training Problem (Jye nigma) 6. Re: Caporeira (Jye nigma) 7. Re: Padding and Pulling Punches (Jye nigma) 8. Re: What System - Capoeira? (Jye nigma) 9. RE: Jang's Hapkido in Chicago (Steve Roberts) 10. Re: The_Dojang digest, Pro HKD Federation (mark scianna) 11. Re: The_Dojang digest, Capoiera (mark scianna) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: "the_dojang" Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 17:57:25 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Sparing Partners Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net As most of you know, I am a Soo Bahk Do Moo Duk Kwan practitioner. I began my training in Kung Fu, and later trained in TKD (WTF) before becoming a member of the Moo Duk Kwan. During my early training I fought three Pro (PKA) kick boxing matches,and many open point style tournament matches. Along the way I began cross training in Jujitsu. Not Brizilian, but Japanese. Due to all the different experiances I have had I can say that I have sparred with many different people, and styles. This experiance is most likley why I have choosen to stay associated with the Moo Duk Kwan and to cross train with Jujitsu. I often enlist the help of the local high school wrestling coach. It improves my grappling ability, and I learn alot from it. They teach the students to not get pinned, which exposes their back, but they are great at getting position and riding on top, as to not allow you off the bottom. Those of you that train in an art that does not employ ground defense, and those of you that do practice ground defense like the hapkido practitioners. I recommend this. A good wrestler may not be skilled at summision, but they can open your eyes to some areas you need to work on, that you did not realize were a problem at all. JCGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 16:15:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Hazen To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Capoeira Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Regional is the more combative style; Angola is more playful. I just googled what looks to be a pretty good beginner's guide, with some easy-to-follow stick-figure animation (and some drawings), at http://www.wu-wien.ac.at/usr/h96b/h9650297/cap-basics.html It's not an end-all be-all guide, and maybe a few mistakes (I learned the 'mobile stance' as jenga, not ginga; jenga means literally "loose", like the tabletop game with wooden blocks), but it's pretty good at explaining the basics, and what some of the movements look like. --jeff On Tue, 20 Sep 2005, Brian Beach wrote: BB: I have this place right down the street from me. BB: http://www.capoeira-angola.org/index.htm They demo a lot at cultural events BB: around the city. One friend of mine that I study hapkido with also studied BB: there. He did catch me with kicks coming from seeming weird angles. What BB: normally looked like an opening (i.e. he looked off balance, overextended) BB: was really a set up. Not unlike a turning back kick. there were traps and BB: trips using the legs as well. Its very deceptive. Tackling him and tying him BB: up worked well though. :P BB: BB: On Sep 20, 2005, at 3:05 PM, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net BB: wrote: BB: BB: > There is alot of gymnastic movement, kicks from BB: > handstands, attacks from cartwheels, ect. Anyone else BB: > know much about it? BB: _______________________________________________ BB: The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members BB: The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net BB: Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource BB: Standard disclaimers apply BB: http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang BB: BB: --jeff "It's like an Alcatraz around my neck." -Boston mayor Menino on the shortage of city parking spaces --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 21:58:01 -0500 From: "Rick Clark" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] etc... To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi JR >From: J R Hilland [mailto:hapkido@wah.midco.net] > >You bet! But isn't that the way it always works? Of course these days it appears to be how much money you will spend in >some circles. There is a convinced felon who headed the sport group in Seoul for decades, he was a politician and I hear, >not even a practitioner. :) Yep and you to can be a reincarnation of a Lama if you are a movie star and contribute to the cause - Anyway - I was curious what kind of rank in TKD the new guy has - or if he does not have rank - why would anyone want to have a certificate signed by him. For that matter I could never understand why someone wanted to have a certificate signed by this now convicted felon. Oh well . . . . . . > ><<did "suggest" the name Tae Kwon Do to a group of heads of Kwan >- but as a General in a military dictatorship a "suggestion" I >suspect carries a lot of weight - and not necessarily on the >merits of martial arts skills.>>> Rick Clark www.ao-denkou-kai.org --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 20:28:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] List may be slow for several days... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Just fyi... The list may be slow for a few days as I deal with some family issues. My mother passed away this morning, so I head back home to take care of her one last time. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 21:16:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Sparring Training Problem To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net That was a can of worms I didn't want to open...lol. I've said in another group that one doesn't need to learn step sparring in order to fight...and that discussion went on and on and on...lol. Now in my experience, you don't need breaking, step sparring, forms, etc to fight. One can translate sparring into fighting, but the way I grew up you used to fight as children, then young men, sometimes adults. Times are different of course, but when I was coming up, any kid that went to a new hood had to "earn their stripes" which means you had to really fight sometimes 1 person, sometimes you get jumped by multiple people. then if you could hold your own, you're family and your hood was extended. That may seem foreign to alot of people but that was life. Nowadays you get in a fight you better either have a nation behind you, be an OG or kill the person flat out. lol... I learned to fight first. So I fought and learned from my fights. then I took martial arts and immediately knew what to throw out and what to keep. Now I don't know about people not hitting or kicking people and being able to fight. That like never taking a flight simulator course and being able to fly...lol. My thought is if you want to be good at something, you do what it is you want to be good at. You want to be a good fighter, throw yourself into the flames and fight. You can't not fight not have the timing, the discipline etc it takes to fight for real and fight and expect to live...lol. Shoot you don't know who the enemy is. So in a nutshell, certain things in TKD are pieces to a greater whole, but individually I don't think they can save you in a real fight. Jye J R Hilland wrote: Possibly, but not conclusive. Many of the finest martial artists, some who actually saw combat, have nothing to do with sparring, breaking things, or competition. Nor do they practice hitting or kicking people for that matter. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 21:19:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Caporeira To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net yeah the movie although cheesy really shows capoeira in a good light. to really see the real deal with capoeira being used to actually fight you got to get your hands on some street roda footage...and even I, the clip master am haveing a hard time getting it. Basically street roda, or street capoeira (can't remember which it's called) is how guys get down in the streets in brazil. Jye sam saenz wrote: In reference to the capoeira discussion, there is a movie using this martial art called "Only The Strong" featuring Mark Dacascos. Is he Al Dacascos's son? Anyway, it has some excellent capoeira fight scenes. Hope this helps. Sam Saenz IV Dan United Martial Arts Society __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 21:23:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Padding and Pulling Punches To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net lol...that reminds me of just slightly hitting myself and almost getting floored...lol. I like to think of the shock strike as hitting a huge block of ice and causing it to crack , and the penetrating strike as hitting a huge block of ice and breakin it in half. Jye jakskru wrote: this is true...i know from experience that even after a groin strike that you can keep attacking without feeling the pain right away...for me it was about 40 seconds, which is plenty of time to mount a succesful offense. --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 21:33:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] What System - Capoeira? To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In CT, I used to study Capoeira with some brazilian guys back in the day. but the funny thing was we'd do it in a TKD school before class started...lol. At full speed a kick could kill ya no problem. To me capoeira would fuse nicely with BJJ (but there I've been informed that some capoeira has grappling) and for weapons I'd got with blades and sticks. knives/machetes/short swords (single double) and short stick(s). I love the art...and you know what? ALOT of women take part in the rodas...alot of women in the art! Jye Gordon wrote: I have to agree with Jye. Capoeira has me curious. What a thrill it would be to confront someone who could effectively keep you at bay by doing cartwheels or kicking with their hands on the ground. All I've seen is the "demo dance" too. I try to imagine Capoeira at full speed, landing blows as they cartwheel around you. I think it would make me dizzy, but that's something I'd still like to see. Gordon _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 22:30:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Roberts To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Jang's Hapkido in Chicago Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have no first hand experience with Master Jang, but she was head instructor at Hyun's Hapkido for a number of years. Went to Yong-In University and has advanced belts in several arts. The people I have met who were students at Hyun's spoke highly of her. Steve --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 02:21:48 -0400 (EDT) From: mark scianna To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: The_Dojang digest, Pro HKD Federation Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Patrick Thanks for the info. I will pass it on. Mark S WKSW --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 02:37:05 -0400 (EDT) From: mark scianna To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: The_Dojang digest, Capoiera Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I am also curious and abit skeptical, about Capoeira as an effective method of fighting. It is very popular here in San Antonio, and you will see people practicing it in parks, using the drums and traditional dress. I once asked someone who was a student how it is that all those acrobatics translate into, and if they had some way of testing their skills, but he was very arrogant and condescending, so I never got much of an answer from him. It sort of reminds me of Wushu, all the beautiful and acrobatic movements of Kung Fu, but with the teeth removed. Even their "sparring" seems more like a demo than a contest. They make no contact and it's all done to the beat of the drum. But of course I am looking at it as an uninitiated observer, I could be wrong. Mark S WKSW --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest