Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 03:01:24 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 12 #389 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Sparring Training Problem (J R Hilland) 2. (no subject) (Patrick L) 3. Re: Capoiera (Jeff Hazen) 4. Internal arts Vs TKD/Karate (David Weller) 5. RE: Capoiera (Stovall, Craig) 6. Re: video clip: soft work (Jae Stulock) 7. Pyongyang: The Hidden History (Ray) 8. 2006 Sin Moo Hapkido Seminar (Ray) 9. Grandmaster Ji seminar in Connecticut (James Allison) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "J R Hilland" To: Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 11:45:56 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Sparring Training Problem Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Although I do not know your definition of fighting, it appears that you are talking about competition, at least that is all I can determine. Self-defense and being an aggressive competitor are two different things. In regards to your erroneous flight training analogy, some of the finest judo players I know do not practice hitting or kicking people. There are MANY other outstanding martial arts that also fit into this category. While it appears you training attitude is strictly geared towards competition, that is not what I was discussing. I also find it interesting that you have a disposable attitude towards what was applicable. Jere R. Hilland www.rrhapkido.com <<>> --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Patrick L" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 09:46:14 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] (no subject) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Mr. Hindly, As they say "no good deed goes unpunished". Thank you for reminding me. Sincerely, Patrick --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 12:40:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Hazen To: the_dojang Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Capoiera Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Gladewater SooBahkDo said: GS: This post will be out of character for me, because I ussually only make GS: post on what I am sure of though documentation or experiance. The facts, GS: historical background, and technical ability of Capoiera practitioners GS: is something I have never given much attention. Then why post about it? Surely you don't want to "be *that* guy". That said, what do you think the berinbau is used for when the going gets tough? It's a big stick, with a thin wire down the front. Historically, that meant business (whack somebody upside the head, garrote him with the wire), if it came to that. Think what a martial art would look like if all the guys in federal prisons got together and tried to disguise their own version of it as a dance... it would probably include everything from a marginally disguised shiv to a big stick to bonk somebody with, and some moves that you could do with either your wrists or ankles bound together (or at least shackled), and you get the picture. Now, replace "felons" with "slaves", and more easily-accessible tools, and there you have it. That's a highly condensed/abridged version. Maybe you ought to do a little more research first before judging it? --jeff "I don't mind being someone else's karmic punishment." -Cael --__--__-- Message: 4 From: David Weller Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 16:05:32 -0500 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Internal arts Vs TKD/Karate Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jye, I think "Nov" has an axe to grind. By his reasoning all these old folks practicing Tai Chi or QiGong in the park ought to be some bad- ass fighters. My guess is that most of the Tai Chi practitioners in the park have little to no idea about the "combat" applications of Tai Chi or QiGong, nor do they care. I guess in order to be more effective I need to practice in the park more often...... In my mind this is just another "my art is better than yours because your art sucks" argument that can have no resolution. Isn't "Nov" the guy who will take on anyone from any style? I am positive of one thing, "Someone" can kick "Nov's" ass from one side of central park to the other. Not saying the guy is not a great fighter and quite knowledgeable in his style, I'm sure he is. But, there is always someone who is better. Always. dave weller On Sep 25, 2005, at 1:39 PM, the_dojang- request@martialartsresource.net wrote: > The internal arts teach one a level of great sensitivity, something > that TKD and Japanese karate will never develop in they > practitioners combat skills. Karate has no real energy theory or Qi- > gong cultivation practice, if they did then by damn we would be > seeing a hell of a lot of old people in the park practicing that art. --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 16:51:30 -0500 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Capoiera Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<>> I hear ya JC, and I tend to agree. However, I'd like to address one thing about this particular comment. You could take that line and apply it to 99.9% of "martial arts" out there, IMHO. If one were truly interested in the protection of one's personal well-being or the well-being of others, then the training would be far removed from most traditional and non-traditional "martial arts". What I consider to be "real" self-defense within the reality tunnel of the modern world would include the following areas...small arms training, conceal and carry methods, knifework, improvised weapons training, defensive driving, personal protection devices (chemical, electrical, etc), and a whole lot of stuff under the umbrella of "interpersonal issues" (i.e., how to spot a threat early on). And, all of this you only get into after the concept that real self-defense is 99.9% awareness and avoidance (lock your doors at night, know what parts of town to avoid, etc). Aaaannndddd, you only get into that concept once you've had it drilled into you again that "what mama taught ya" will keep you out of 99.9% of the defective human relationships that lead to the necessity of having to protect oneself...don't drink and don't hang with drunks, don't do drugs and don't hang with people that do drugs, don't be messing with anyone else's significant other, etc. Not to rant, but the more I train and the more I see the more I'm convinced that martial arts and self-defense are two mutually exclusive concepts. Obviously, there is some common ground, but "true" self-defense training would tend to carry you away from most martial arts. Opinions vary. --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 08:57:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Jae Stulock Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] video clip: soft work To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Thanks Jye for your video clips. I think this is a clip of the Russian martial art, Systema. I believe it is Vladimir Vassiliev doing the demo. I wish I had thrown this style out there, too, in response to the "what art do you most want to spar against" question. Ive had my eye on this for a year or so. Really interesting movement. I stumbled across the site of the "Dojo of the Four Winds, Nami Ryu Aiki Heiho" while up late one night looking at some really nice Katana. (what else would I be doing up that late, right). Any way the Master instructor, James Williams, is closely linked to this Vasiliev guy and the whole Systema thing. It seems to be catching on, the site has grown and changed a couple of times since then. Here is th elink, check it out for yourselves. www.dojoofthefourwinds.com ~Jae --- Jye nigma wrote: > http://www.circularstrengthmag.com/images/softworktrailer.mov > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! for Good > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina > relief effort. > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 12:15:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Pyongyang: The Hidden History Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Forwarding. Pyongyang: The Hidden History of the North Korean Capital, by Chris Springer. With photos by Eckart Dege. Budapest: Entente Bt, 2003. 159 pages. ISBN 9-630081-04-0. Reviewed by Val=E9rie Gel=E9zeau Laboratoire d'Etudes Cor=E9ennes, CNRS-EHESS-Paris VII-EFEO vgelezeau@yahoo.com One of the rare reference works to be found today about Pyongyang, this pocket book offers, rather than a "hidden history" of the North Korean capital, an "illustrated geographical glimpse" of its sites and main features. The author, a journalist who lived for several years in Budapest and who is also known for another city guide about a reclusive capital (Tirana in Your Pocket), traveled extensively in Central and Eastern Europe and visited Pyongyang in 1995 and 2002. The simple structure of the book reflects both the nature of the project (a presentation of Pyongyang, its sites and monuments), as well as the scarcity of references available about North Korea in general and Pyongyang in particular. After a short introduction reminding readers of well-known facts, the book proceeds with a small section entitled "Background" (13-31), dealing with history and politics. A chronology recalls selected dates of Pyongyang's history, and a few paragraphs develop the vicissitudes of the city's history between 1945 and 1960, covering its devastation during the Korean War and subsequent reconstruction. The section on political aspects briefly presents two biographical notices of Kim Il Sung and Kim Jong Il, as well as discussion of the eccentricities of the North Korean regime, which "turned the personality cult into an actual dynasty" (26). The rest of the book ("Sites", 33-149) consists of a quite extensive catalogue of the main sites of Pyongyang (although each is described rather briefly), as if the reader were to follow a tour, which travels-as typically in city guides-from the central city to more peripheral areas. This "geographical glimpse" of the city and its sites is accompanied by 6 maps, including a general map of Pyongyang (94-95), referencing all 140 sites mentioned in the text. Although not geographical maps per se (for example, they do not give detailed indication of the urban topography), they do give precise locations, including those of several vanished sites that played an important role in the city's history (Pyongyang airport, the Tosongrang slums, the kisaeng village). Most of the sites appear in pictures, thanks to numerous photos provided by Eckart Dege, himself one of the few to have written about Pyongyang (see Geojournal, 1990). Although the title does not reflect the book's genuine content (certainly it is not a history, "hidden" or not, of the North Korean capital), the book does differ from a simple tour guide for several reasons. The catalogue of sites not only gives historical and/or architectural facts, but also often includes interesting comments and anecdotes, such as about the destruction of Ryunhwanson Street (64) or about the Soviet Army statue (63). The description of sites is also scattered with numerous general notes about Pyongyang and the regime, popular culture, history, etc., as e.g. on "Apartment life" (59) and "The 1967 Flood" (98-99), that reveal discrepancies between official history and other interpretations. We are told that the manuscript has been vetted by such notable scholars as Andrei Lankov and Eckart Dege, which encourages confidence in these elements, and the quality of the illustrations and the precise maps are indeed assets. Considering the nature of the project, however, one regrets that this book nurtures the usual view of Pyongyang, a view that stands already in its own introduction: that it is "an inorganic city", where inhabitants stand as ghosts, crushed by the monumentality of the sites and monuments erected by the regime. Isn't there something more to be discovered and experienced in Pyongyang-even when one is "shepherded by government minders and segregated from the population" (9)? More technical regrets about the book include its transliteration choice, which follows the North Korean system, with no reference to the McCune-Reischauer romanization. This transliteration, together with a list of "suggested reading" instead of a more formal and extensive bibliography, suggests that the book is intended for the (very rare) traveller rather than the academic. The work, whose title creates a false impression, is indeed not an academic book per se. But, as a very precise catalogue of over 100 sites in the city, with a critical stance towards the regime's official history, and accompanied by Dege's splendid collection of photos, it does provide a useful starting point in coming to grips with Pyongyang, and offers valuable references for dealing with other materials about the city. As such, one might consider it a worthy glimpse at the North Korean capital and its landscape from the realm of critical geography. Citation: Gel=E9zeau, Val=E9rie 2005 _Pyongyang: The Hidden History of the North Korean Capital_, by Chris Springer, (2003) _Korean Studies Review_ 2005, no. 02 Electronic file: http://koreaweb.ws/ks/ksr/ksr05-02.htm --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 12:19:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] 2006 Sin Moo Hapkido Seminar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Forwarding... Hello All, I am finally back in the United States, and am ready to get things rolling once again. I will be hosting the 2nd International Sinmoo Hapkido Master/Instructor Seminar with Dojunim in Seattle, Washington from March 31st to April 2nd. The event will be held at Bastyr University in Kenmore and it is looking to be a fun and rigorous weekend of training, learning, and friendship. I will be posting all of the details over the next two weeks, but clear that calendar, and get those plane tickets because this is going to be one great time! As always, pass the word on. Thanks! I'll be putting out more info soon, but if you have questions, let me know. Respectfully, Sean Bradley Washington Sinmoo Hapkido --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "James Allison" To: Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 15:46:26 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Grandmaster Ji seminar in Connecticut Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I just want to thank Master McCarty for his hospitality and hosting of the Grandmaster Ji seminar Connecticut this past weekend. As always it was great training with you again. It was great training with Master McCarty, Master Zwieg, Master Yates, Master Egil and Master Bradley. Not only can these top notch Hapkido "players" dish it out, they don't mind taking a hard fall which is really impressive. And as for Do Ju Nim, as usual his knowledge, experience, wisdom and patience is second to none. He is the best. Again, Thanks Master McCarty for the outstanding weekend. My students and I had a great time. Respectfully yours in Hapkido, James Allison www.hapkido-america.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest