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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Important Question (Craig Zeigler) 2. Re: range of motion and flexibility (Jay O'Connor) 3. RE: michael tomlinson (michael tomlinson) 4. RE: Important Question (michael tomlinson) 5. Re: range of motion and flexibility (jakskru) 6. Connections (Erik Brann) 7. Re:A wierd question (Tony McDonald) 8. Re: USA Karate Tournament (Jye nigma) 9. Re: Ddong-chim (Klaas Barends) 10. Re:MA & Racism (Klaas Barends) 11. Re: weird question... the Butt shark (A. Boyd) 12. Racism (Bob Banham) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 11:06:10 -0400 From: Craig Zeigler To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Important Question Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jye nigma wrote: >This is a good question from another group. How many have dealt with racism in their martial arts school? How would you handle racist peers who actual try to hurt you [because they don't like you, your kind, etc] in your martial arts class? > >Jye > > > >--------------------------------- >Yahoo! for Good > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > > > They're not there anymore... There is no place for disrespect of any kind, least of all racism. If you have students who are being racist towards other students, they don't need to given a tool to hurt others. You might try to get through to this student and teach them about racism and perhaps open their eyes. In many cases, racism is learned from someone else, generally parents. I guess what I'm trying to say is if you think you can get through to this person and teach them that racism is a bad thing, then by all means, but if they refuse to be open minded, there is no place for them in martial arts. To me it is the same thing as giving an angry person a loaded gun... --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 09:25:42 -0600 From: "Jay O'Connor" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] range of motion and flexibility Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net John Vanderhee wrote: > Good morning to all martial artists here > > I have a question about range of motion and flexibility > > Is it at all possible to have very good range of motion but limited muscle > flexibility?? > Also, can anyone give me a good flexibility routine to follow. I'm 29 > years old and I seem to be in a slump with my flexibility. I can perform a > pretty high roundhouse kick and my side kick isn't bad but when I try to do > any of the splits I'm horrible. Please help and share similar experiences so > I know I'm not alone in this matter Yes, you can have good range of motion but poor muscle flexibility. The problem with this, though, is that it leads to slow kicks. For example, on a front(snap) kick, your quads are pulling up against the resistance of your hamstring. If your hamstring is flexible, then there is not any real resististance and your quads can pull up easily and quickly. The less flexibility in your hamstring, the more your quad has to pull against the resisitance of your hamstring, which slows the kick down and makes your quad use more energy to get the kick up. So yes, you can have he range of motion in your joints to get your kicks over your head, but if you have poor flexibility in your muscles, the muscles will be pulling against each other's resistance, which will slow the kick down Take care, Jay --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] michael tomlinson Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 17:13:44 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hey guys, I'm still hanging in there, got a huge chunk of cartilage cut out of my knee two weeks ago..started rehab...or what I refer to as Kneehab.. 3 days ago....it's getting better but I have to admit...I'm not gonna be jogging or taking a fall on the mat for a while....my goal is to run a half marathon in April and be back teaching and doing Hapkido at Master Vince Roeshinik's Tang Soo Do dojang in Orange City by Thanksgiving.....at least if I put the big juicy carrots in front of me up the road I'll give myself something to chase...dang can you hear the Rocky music in the background....what I really need is Craig Stovall to move to Florida and train me like the old manager in Rocky 1......thanks for asking about me though....I'm mostly in lurk mode...I'm a good lurker...that's what my wife says anyway.... Michael Tomlinson --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Important Question Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 18:28:08 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I don't know if this qualifies or not...had a really good guy training with me who was a hard charger marine recon, beirut, panama, many "other" places, etc...the whole deal...anywho...was really gung ho in class and then one day just refused to work out or partner up with any women....I told him that helping others get better is a part of learning, I wanted him to learn how to help others in class...I KNOW he understood teamwork..he told me he wasn't into working out with a woman...this after he had been a student of mine for 6 months...I had to choke him out the first week in class to earn his respect so to speak, he would look at me cynically as if the techniques wouldn't work on him so after I almost put him to sleep he was my best student..no problem I can respect the don't tell me show me part..all my family was in the corp, father, grandpa, cousins, etc....well after he refused to partner up with one of the women in class I sent him home...he got kind of smart with me so I told him in a polite way to take 3 months off and "decide" if he really wanted to be in my class.....3 months later he came back, apologized for being an a--hole as he put it, and became an awesome student again....weird huh...later I found out that he had a whole history of some serious war related mental issues that explained a lot about him...good guy though but refusing to work with a woman......come on... Michael Tomlinson >From: Jye nigma >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net, itf-taekwondo@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [The_Dojang] Important Question >Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 04:35:52 -0700 (PDT) > >This is a good question from another group. How many have dealt with racism >in their martial arts school? How would you handle racist peers who actual >try to hurt you [because they don't like you, your kind, etc] in your >martial arts class? > >Jye > > > >--------------------------------- >Yahoo! for Good > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "jakskru" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] range of motion and flexibility Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 16:07:36 -0400 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (not so) nuevo research is showing that static stretching may not be helpful to you----try dynamic stretching out---like stretch kicks and the like. its my opinion that you need both types, but static stretches should be done to a lesser gegree, i.e. fewer times, shorter length of time to hold them..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vanderhee" To: Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 10:13 AM Subject: [The_Dojang] range of motion and flexibility > Good morning to all martial artists here > > I have a question about range of motion and flexibility > > Is it at all possible to have very good range of motion but limited muscle > flexibility?? > Also, can anyone give me a good flexibility routine to follow. I'm 29 > years old and I seem to be in a slump with my flexibility. I can perform a > pretty high roundhouse kick and my side kick isn't bad but when I try to do > any of the splits I'm horrible. Please help and share similar experiences so > I know I'm not alone in this matter > > > Thanks in advance > John > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Erik Brann" To: Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 20:45:13 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Connections Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi all! Erik Brann here, trying to complete a connection. As some of you recall, I study Moo Duk Kwan Taekwondo here in Maine. My teacher is Sabumnim David Hillgrove, Sr. His teacher was Horace Littlefield, who learned the style in Korea. I'd like to find out where Horace trained, but all I know is that he was teaching MDK TKD in Augusta Maine in the late 60's. I'm just trying to connect the dots between myself and Kwan Jang Nim Hwang Kee. Could anyone help? --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Tony McDonald" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re:A wierd question Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 11:55:20 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Indeed, when i was visiting family in Korea, they were doing it, apparently it was some sort of a game played between younger kids, although i've only seen it played with younger boys. My 2 cents ~Tony McDonald Currently a proud TKD student --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 21:01:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] USA Karate Tournament To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I haven't competed in a long time because of a lack of sunday tournaments. I wish it was in GA though. Jye Martial Arts Foundation wrote: USA Karate Tournament “Sunday” October 2, 2005 YMCA 3161 Taft Street, Hollywood, Florida Start time: 10:00 AM This is a “Sunday” karate tournament that has historically offered good traditional values and competition. This event is endorsed by the Martial Arts Foundation. Anyone producing this application to the registration desk may receive special entry fee consideration. Larry L. Mabson Martial Arts Foundation [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type application/msword which had a name of USA Karate Tournament.doc] _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Klaas Barends Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 19:54:02 +0900 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Ddong-chim Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I know a guy (friend of a friend) who is going to Korea to work for > a while > and he was warned about kids poking him in the butt. Is this a real > thing that > happens in Korea or Japan? I think he said the kids are called > something like > "ddong-chim", his words not mine ( I have no idea what it means). Actually it is two fingers in your butt :-) Kids do it to each other, but they never dared to do it to me. Not even my own kids ;-) ddong = feces chim = needle -- kind regards, Klaas Barends http://www.hapkidoforum.com/ --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Klaas Barends Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 20:03:13 +0900 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re:MA & Racism Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > How many have dealt with racism in their martial arts school? In a Korean gym??? Koreans can be (not all of them) very very racist. But as soon as you get to know them and show respect for them and their culture, they tend to change their opinion easily. A lot of Koreans view white people as being better of equal to them, while they tend to see black people as lower. But now I am generalizing very much. All in all, I have never been discriminated here in Korea. -- kind regards, Klaas Barends http://www.hapkidoforum.com/ --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 07:38:31 -0400 (EDT) From: "A. Boyd" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: weird question... the Butt shark Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hahaha. No, your friend has it absolutely right. Dong Chim is a vital part of any young school boy's life. You can think of it as uh... fecal acupuncture... but we have always just called it the butt shark. It is not malicious or intended to pick a fight. It's no different than any one of a thousand other ridiculous things adolescents do to each other of the painful/embarrassing variety. When I taught kids here in Korea I was spared this indignity - perhaps because kids have a sixth sense about people who aren't any fun - but my co-workers experienced it more than once. Among the kids, you can see it occurring all the time. I have only seen a few adults do it... of course it was to kids. How else would this nonsense get propagated? Anthony Boyd: Swordsman and English Teacher hdgdforum.com __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca --__--__-- Message: 12 From: "Bob Banham" To: Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 13:01:43 +0100 Subject: [The_Dojang] Racism Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Re Jye's racism question: I had never experienced racism in martial arts before I spent a month in Mississippi last year. I was dumbfounded! Personally speaking, I never experienced it while a student and now as an instructor and school owner I wouldn't tolerate it if it appeared. Surely racism goes against all the tenets we hold so dear. After all, Korean martial arts were created by a race other than WASP so it would be sheer hypocrisy anyway. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest