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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Longevity in TKD (Jye nigma) 2. YMCA Tournament Cancellation!!! YMCA Tournament Cancellation!!! YMCA Tournament Cancellation!!! (Mabson & Associates) 3. Re: WASPs (Jye nigma) 4. Racism (Bob Banham) 5. naming who offends you instead of letting others assume it is someone else (Hapkidoman5@wmconnect.com) 6. Red - Yellow - Blue Circle (Chris and Cindy) 7. RE: Sparring Training Problem (PETER.MCDONALDSMITH@london-fire.gov.uk) 8. Re: What if.. (Klaas Barends) 9. article: training for sparring (Jye nigma) 10. racism in martial arts (Tkdsid@aol.com) 11. racism (Hapkidoman5@wmconnect.com) 12. racism in MS??? (Charles Richards) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 08:50:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net, itf-taekwondo@yahoogroups.com Subject: [The_Dojang] Longevity in TKD Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I've had a discussion or debate...lol. with an internal stylist who stated that their is no longevity in TKD. I immediately think of Jhoon Rhee, and others I have seen personally. So my question is what is the average age anyone has seen someone actively training in TKD? for me 60, but perhaps some of the members who've been around a while to see TKD in it's youth can chime in. Jye --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Mabson & Associates" To: Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 12:01:14 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] YMCA Tournament Cancellation!!! YMCA Tournament Cancellation!!! YMCA Tournament Cancellation!!! Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Friends of MAF: I have been recently informed by Sensei Grant Campbell, USA Karate, that due to unforeseen circumstances, the Sunday YMCA tournament in Hollywood, Florida is canceled. Sensei Campbell extends his sincere apologies for any inconvenience to the Martial Arts Foundation, it's members and associates. Sincerely, Martial Arts Foundation --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 11:59:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] WASPs To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net What is a WASP? Brooke Thomas wrote: I hope no one believes that WASPs are the only race/culture capable of racisim? I no doubt misunderstood the sentence. --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Bob Banham" To: Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 22:03:00 +0100 Subject: [The_Dojang] Racism Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sorry GM West, I stayed in a small town with a small town mentality. It wan't in Jackson which I know is a lot more cosmopolitan and civilised. Bob --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Hapkidoman5@wmconnect.com Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 18:07:27 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] naming who offends you instead of letting others assume it is someone else Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net " I had never experienced racism in martial arts before I spent a month in Mississippi last year. I was dumbfounded!" We should always be candid in our email and postings and speak our minds with one another even if it offends others, the truth is the truth and it protects others from the assumptions of those who look for fault in others if anyone in this group has something to say about somebody or some group they should just step up and say what they mean or keep it to themselves . k carter --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 19:13:16 -0400 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Chris and Cindy Subject: [The_Dojang] Red - Yellow - Blue Circle Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have seen a red, yellow and blue circular symbol on different occasions. It resembles the Um/Yang symbol but instead of just the red and blue "teardrops" it actually has an additional yellow "teardrop" Does anyone know what this is called? Does anyone know it's philosophical meaning? Does anyone know where I can get this image in .jpg or similar format? Thanks, Chris --__--__-- Message: 7 Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Sparring Training Problem Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 12:45:26 +0100 From: To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jim, That was really well put. Better than how could have put it. Needless to say that I agree with your statement. The toughest fighters I have faced are In my dojang. This includes my visits to my local Thai boxing club. RULDS2? Pete **************************************************************************** SMOKE ALARMS SAVE LIVES Go to London Fire at www.london-fire.gov.uk/firesafety This email is confidential to the addressee only. If you do not believe that you are the intended addressee, do not use, pass on or copy it in any way. If you have received it in error, please delete it immediately and telephone the supplied number, reversing the charges if necessary. --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Klaas Barends Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 21:40:23 +0900 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: What if.. Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Aside from this what if question, what are the martial arts of > North Korea? I think that the every day North Korean has something else on his/her mind than practicing MA. Practicing MA costs energy, for energy you need food... The military will most probably teach its soldiers some kind of martial art. After a reunification martial arts will probably slowly find their way into North Korea. -- kind regards, Klaas Barends http://www.hapkidoforum.com/ --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 18:39:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: itf-taekwondo@yahoogroups.com, the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] article: training for sparring Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Training for Sparring by Master Chen Zhaokui Train Hard, but not to Death; Train Cleverly, but not to Cheat Fighting outcome is largely determined by courage. However, couragealone doesn't work. Top quality sparring skills are indispensable. A brave fighter with first-rate skills is a tiger with wings. In training, we are supposed to be coordinated and flexible in everysingle move of the forms. we must be very familiar with the moves. We should be able to discharge energy like an automatic weapon. Astrike should take the shortest path. It must be fast, powerful,fierce, and accurate. It takes such qualities to handle a strongopponent. Training hard is the only way to acquire those qualities. Emphasis is placed on moving fast and slowly, striking like steel and maneuveringlike water, closing and opening, being relaxed and fluid and bouncing andshuddering. Emphasis on slow moves only leads to slow strikes which an opponentcan counter easily. But emphasis on fast moves alone makes it difficultto feel the path of your energy and makes it easy to strike along a longerpath than necessary. Being fast refers to the speed which is builtup through familiarity of the energy path. It is a speed withoutloss of quality. Emphasis on water-like maneuvering alone results in weak strikes thatpresent no threat to an opponent. Striking like steel means the steel-likequality reflected in your bouncing and shuddering which comes fromtotal relaxation, which are also a sign of the water-like motions. The above examples show that it is necessary to acquire a quality thatreadily shifts from top speed to slow speed, transforms from hardness tosoftness, from heaviness to lightness, and vice versa. This qualityshould be at your disposal at will without any loss or restrictions. This quality doesn't come easily. It comes from years of hardtraining. However, hard training means clever training, otherwiseyou will train yourself to death. The goal of training must be clearlydefined. We must not be like Beijing opera stars who present a speardance. Flashy displays like that are for show, but are useless infunction. Your Advantage Against Their Disadvantage After a reasonable mastery of sparring techniques, you should specializein one or two techniques, the exact ones will be defined by your build,stamina, reflexes, and other factors. For example, a tall personshould put emphasis on Tsai (Cai), or plucking, and Lieh(lie), which means splitting or perhaps "intercept and shudder." His strikes should be like cutting open a mountain, which means they mustbe very heavy. A short person should mainly practice shoulder, elbow, and leg techniquesin order to attack the lower part of the opponent. He must be fastand agile. The energy of his strikes must be integrated, fluid, andelastic. He should use the strategy of Shan Zhan (avoidingthe brunt). In Taiji classics there is a saying, "Avoiding thebrunt renders useless a power that can pull up a mountain." Thisstrategy is most applicable to short people. For the powerful, emphasis should be on Tsai (Cai), Lieh(Lie), and Chou (Zhou). Strikes should be so powerful thatthe first strike eliminates all possible attacks. For the agile, emphasis should be on fake moves. The opponentshould be tricked in any way possible. Then the opponent shouldbe hit with fast moves. For those with slow reflexes, emphasis should be on defense, i.e., whenthe opponent strikes, the strikes should be blocked and then countered. Remember only specialization in one or two techniques ensuresovercoming the opponent's disadvantage with your advantage. But specialization alone doesn't mean victory. You must learnhow to use it. You should be good at hiding your specialization andtaking the opponent by surprise. It's a good idea to send a wrongmessage to the opponent by exposing your weak points through fake movesand then taking advantage of the opponent's miscalculation. For example, let's assume that you are good at leg techniques and fastin your footwork. Your opponent is shorter. First make it easyfor your opponent to attack your lower part, which is most probably whathe has in mind. But the instant he is in the trap, you can use aleg technique which momentarily makes it impossible for him to escape. The rule of thumb is that the genuine and fake moves should complementeach other so the opponent has no way to tell which blow is genuine andwhich kick is a fake. Naturally, you yourself should know. Attack at the Softest Point In sparring, try to be observant and quickly detect the opponent's weakpoints. Only by doing so can we boost our confidence and come upwith a good idea to use our advantage against his disadvantage (this isthe same as "getting to know your opponent"). But if you fail toachieve this, you will get nervous, lose confidence and attack withouta plan, exposing your own weak points, and eventually losing the fight. The key to detecting the opponent's weak points is to find them in hisbuild, stamina, and reflex at the first few contacts. After thisyou can decide on the appropriate strategy. Avoid Being Passive In war, the priority is to wipe out the enemy, to preserve oneself isonly secondary. Only by defeating the enemy can one effectively preservehimself. For example, your opponent is taller and moves fast. To make things worse, you are not as good as he is. Obviously, youare at a disadvantage. If you decide to handle the opponent by puttingup a defense, you will give him more initiative, letting him take fulladvantage of his strong points. The outcome cannot be anything butcertain defeat. So from the very beginning you should attack firstwithout a warning and from all directions. Every strike should befast and powerful, leaving him no chance to counterattack and making itimpossible for him to use his advantages. Then you may possiblyturn the situation around and win a victory from a very likely defeat. Make Noise in the East; Attack in the West To assure a victory in sparring you must lure the opponent, confusehim by sending a wrong message and take him by surprise. This is an important method of turning a disadvantage into an advantage. It means a fake to make a noise in the East...the real strike is inthe west. To make the trick work, you should hide the genuine attackwithin a fake one to make the opponent believe it is a real threat. If your fake attack doesn't look real, your genuine one will fail, also. For example if your left strike is a fake and the right one is real, thenyou should do everything possible to attract the opponent's attention withyour left strike, taking away his right defense, then delivering a faststrike from the right. In order to mislead successfully, we have to practice fake attacks forcertain parts f the opponent's body, to practice all strikes so that theytravel along the shortest path and along the smallest circles. Weare not supposed to give a telltale sign with our facial expression. These signs will warn the opponent and may result in a surprise attackby the opponent. On the other hand, we can use the signs to confusethe opponent. For example, the first time your look at the left butstrike from the right, then the second time you can look at the right ofthe opponent but strike from the right. The opponent, after tastingthe first fake strike, will think the potential strike will come from theleft this time. But he may get a punch from the right. Thisis what we call, "attack where there is no defense." --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Tkdsid@aol.com Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 09:03:24 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] racism in martial arts Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Well nowww... it's sort of curious that when you consider how long martial arts have been in the USA in particular, taekwondo; that it wasn't until a year or so ago that we had the first 9th dan in Grandmaster Sell. It's sort of curious that it takes so long to get kukkiwon certificates at inflated rates and some times not at all when in Korea students get those certificates in a matter of weeks. Racism is everywhere in everything because all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Sid --__--__-- Message: 11 From: Hapkidoman5@wmconnect.com Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 09:23:38 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] racism Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net racism does not have to be whites hating blacks , i often have to work with a black man who hates whites and have worked with a man from guatamala who hated mexicans dang if i can figure it out.but as far as in martial arts have we forgotten our history the japanese used prisoners of war to try out there karate on , yong sul choi left japan after tekeda sensei died for fear that the japanese students would kill him because he was korean.the vietnamese hate the half american half vietnamese that were born after america was pulled from that country.on another thought the hatred between japan and korea is mutual .racism is ingnorant and based on hatred that is fueled by fear ,look around the world you will see ignorance runs rampant ,all we can do is make sure we clean up our own backyard then branch out a little at a time. k carter --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 07:03:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Charles Richards To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] racism in MS??? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have been to the Jackson seminar for over 5 years never had even the slightest hint of racism....somehow I don't think it would be tolerated by the host :-) I have sampled a cross section of hotels and eating establishments in Jackson and found the same warm southern hospitality. return to lurk mode mc --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest