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RE: Longevity in TKD (michael tomlinson) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 09:12:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: itf-taekwondo@yahoogroups.com, the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] article: breathing, pranayama physiology Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Note: The following work attempts to present a basic and non scientific explanation of the phyisiological aspects of Pranayama. This article does not attempt to uncover any of the mysteries of Pranayama. Total lung capacity. Maximum air which can at any time be held in the two lungs = 6000ml Residual air. Some air is always left in the lungs even after forcible breathing out. This is the left-over (residual) air = 1500ml Tidal volume. Air breathed in and out in a normal quiet breathing = 500ml Dead air space. Some tidal air is left in respiratory passages such as tracheas and bronchi where no diffusion of gases can occur. = 150ml Alveolar air. Remaining tidal air in air sacs = 350 ml Inspiratory reserve volume. Air that can be drawn in forcibly over and above the tidal air (also called complemntal air) = 3000ml Expiratory reserve volume. Air that can be expelled forcibly after an ordinary expiration (also called supplemental air) =1000ml Vital capacity. The volume of air that can be taken in and expelled by maximum inspiration and expiration = 4500ml >From the above you can note that the total lung capacity is about 6000ml and out of which only 500ml is filled or emptied while normal breathing takes place. In other words only 1/12 th of the capacity of the lungs is normally utilized to provide the much needed oxygen to the human organism. While intense physical activity takes place, the increased demand for oxygen is met by increasing the rate of breathing. But beyond a certain limit the increase in the rate of inspirations and expirations means that there is less time for the gaseous exchange that takes place within the lungs. Here comes the great wisdom of the ancient yogis of India. The demand for oxygen made by the cells is linked to the quantity of carbon dioxide in the cells. Higher levels of CO2 mean greater demand for oxygen. With this in mind let us analyze the yogic Pranayama. The yogi empties his lungs with a long expiration or Rechaka. He then fills his lungs with a long slow inspiration and the breath is held or retained. The period of retention or Kumbhaka = 4 x the time taken for inspiration or Pooraka. The retained breath is then slowly exhaled. The time taken to exhale = 2 x the time taken for inspiration or Pooraka. A certain quantity of Oxygen molecules will enter the lungs and dissolve in the blood. Since the breath is held for a long time, more and more CO2 will build up in the cells. This means that there will be a high demand for the Oxygen. When the breathing rate (number of inspirations and expirations per minute) is increased, after a while less and less Oxygen molecule will find time to diffuse in to blood and less and less CO2 molecules will get out of the blood. It just like increasing the RPM of an internal combustion engine to produce more power or speed. After a certain RPM the power and speed will not increase and may decrease. Or take the case of a crowded bus. The bus has only a certain fixed time to halt for the passengers to get out and others to get in. If everyone from inside the bus rushes to go out and those who have to get in rush at the same time, only a handfull of them will realize their goals and the bus will move on. By doing a long and slow expiration the yogi empties his lungs to the maximum practical limit. Thus the residual air volume is reduced from the normal 1500ml to as low as possible. By doing a long and slow inspiration he fills his lungs beyond the tidal volume of 500ml and reaches the inspiratory reserve volume and in some cases beyond. Then the yogi gives the Oxygen molecules the maximum time inside the lungs so that almost all of them can diffuse into the blood stream. Meanwhile the CO2 levels inside the cells rise dramatically and each and every cell in the body sends signals to the brain for elimination of CO2 and replenishment of Oxygen. To prevent the chaos as mentioned in the case of a crowded bus, the yogi slowly expel the air from his lungs. Each passenger inside th bus goes out calmly and in line and when all of the passengers have gone out; those waiting at the stop get in one by one. Thus the maximum quantity of CO2 is expelled and the maximum quantity of Oxygen is allowed to enter the system. By retaining the air inside the lungs the yogi forces the body to use every bit of oxygen available from the residual air and the alveolar air. He, by doing the long slow inspiration and expiration makes use of the inspiratory reserve volume and expiratory reserve volume. In short he increases the vital lung capacity without doing any intense physical activity. Since there is no increase in the rate of respiration, there is very little or no increase in the heart rate or pulse. The heart gets more time to rest. This can be seen in the case of those who have practiced the yogic Pranayama for a few months. Even while rushing up a flight of stairs they don’t experience any marked increase in the heart rate. Since the cells make a great demand for the expulsion of CO2 and the replenishment of Oxygen, the circulatory system becomes efficient and new arteries, veins and capillaries form within the organism. The quantity of the red blood corpuscles increase. The effect of physical training in high altitudes, where the Oxygen contend in the atmosphere is very low, has been acknowledged by the sports coaches and athletes. By doing the breath retention, a yogi can achieve the same results at any altitude. --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 01:43:15 -0500 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: KO-Online Subject: [The_Dojang] thoughts on mudo vs thoughts on sparring Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Thank you for your input Jere. That's why I was one of many I'm sure who sent you that DD vol as requested. You did unfortunately take the subject out of context as we were referring to sparring as opposed to competition. How about the rest of you DD'ers? Especially you guys who are thankfully loathe to write anything with "I" this & "I" that. Whether you call it dae ryun, dwae da or kumite, why do you do it in the gym or why not? Has the advent of modern sparring equipment ( the best comes from KO-Online naturally) changed how you fight in the gym compared to how you were trained? How about the advent of modern lawyers? Do you ever work on scenarios with two-on-one or put obstacles around the mat to improve awareness? Do you integrate your striking fighting with your grappling/ground fighting? Give us your thoughts, especially you knowledgeable lurkers. Respectfully yours in the martial arts, Jim Grimestad Red River Traditional TaeKwonDo KO-Online.com martial arts supplies --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 07:08:51 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] From Seoul Today Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Just finished a long class with HC Hwang Kwan Jang Nim at central Do-Jang in Korea. We had 17 countries represented in one class. the room is not big so the training was tight, but I was honored to be there. I trained with a Hapkido Master Yoon. does anyone no of him. I believe he is from El Paso Texas. although he is Korean.I will be returning on Thursday, October 6th. We had the Moo Duk Kwan 60th anniversary in Sokcho City, and now we are in Seoul. I will have to catch up when I return. JC --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 08:56:33 -0600 From: "Jay O'Connor" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] WASPs Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jye nigma wrote: > What is a WASP? > > Brooke Thomas wrote: > I hope no one believes that WASPs are the only > race/culture capable of racisim? I no doubt > misunderstood the sentence. > WASP = "White Anglo-Saxon Protestant" --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] From Seoul Today To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 08:01:07 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Just finished a long class with HC Hwang Kwan Jang Nim at central Do-Jang > in Korea. We had 17 countries represented in one class. the room is not big > so the training was tight, ... Wow, I bet it was tight. Even 8 or 10 students training in the Seoul SBD dojang would be tight. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 08:06:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] WASPs To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net man that sounds like some type of racial slur. Jye Jay O'Connor wrote: Jye nigma wrote: > What is a WASP? > > Brooke Thomas wrote: > I hope no one believes that WASPs are the only > race/culture capable of racisim? I no doubt > misunderstood the sentence. > WASP = "White Anglo-Saxon Protestant" _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Erik Kluzek Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 09:40:27 -0600 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Longevity in TKD Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I've had a discussion or debate...lol. with an internal stylist who > stated that their is no longevity in TKD. I immediately think of Jhoon > Rhee, and others I have seen personally. So my question is what is the > average age anyone has seen someone actively training in TKD? for me > 60, but perhaps some of the members who've been around a while to see > TKD in it's youth can chime in. > Average age is most certainly quite young. But, there are older people that practice as well. My Grandmaster Dong Hoon Kim is in his 60's and still practicing. His Grandmaster Duk Sung Son, I believe is still practicing in his 70's now (by the way Grandmaster Son, was Jhoon Rhee's master as well). And Grandmaster Kim has a student -- Laverne -- who was something like 65 when she started! I tested with her at her 1st degree black belt test and held the boards for her breaking. They were low, but she broke with ease. As she has aged she no longer can spar, or break. But, she has continued with her training mainly concentrating on forms, and I've seen her advance now up to 5th Degree Honorary Black Belt. She did test even though it was honorary, the reason it was honorary was that she can't fill all the requirements -- sparring and breaking. It's been 17 years since that 1st degree black belt test, so she could be in her 80's now.... Erik Kluzek Head-Instructor Colorado Blue Wave Martial Arts --------------------------------------------- http://www.coloradobluewave.org !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 10:43:54 -0500 From: "Dunn, Danny J GARRISON" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Three Part Symbol Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Chris, This symbol is used to represent the equal importance and balance of the three parts of an individual. The circle form represents wholeness or completeness, and the three components are spiritual, mental and physical or heart, mind and body. Danny Dunn <<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>> --__--__-- Message: 9 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Erik Kluzek Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 09:55:23 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Martial Arts seminar in Longmont Colorado -- October 20th-23rd Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Tae Kwon Do Chung Do Kwan Seminar in Longmont Colorado Chung Do Kwan seminar the weekend of October 20th through the 23rd with a martial arts grandmaster! 9th degree Black Belt Grandmaster D.H. Kim of Tucson Arizona will be conducting a training seminar in Longmont. Cost is only $65 for the entire weekend and includes a seminar T-shirt. Some sessions with Grandmaster Kim are FREE! Thursday night class on October 20th at 7:30-8:45pm is free and open to all. Spectators are welcome to watch all sessions, and especially to join us in watching the demonstration on Friday night October 21st 8:30-9:00pm, and testing on Saturday October 22nd from noon to 2:30pm. For more information times and locations, contact Erik Kluzek at (303)772-6225 erik@coloradobluewave.org or see this Web page: http://www.coloradobluewave.org/GMKimSeminar.shtml Erik Kluzek Head-Instructor Colorado Blue Wave Martial Arts --------------------------------------------- http://www.coloradobluewave.org !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Chris Hamilton" To: Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 12:04:19 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: samgeuk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I believe it is called "samgeuk". It is akin to the um-yang symbol taegeuk (tai-chi) on the Korean flag, but it also includes "man". Blue is Heaven, red is Earth, and yellow is man. It depicts their interdependence and balance in the universe. Chris HMD in BR <> --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Longevity in TKD Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 17:04:06 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have a friend who is a 3rd dan in TKD and a 1st dan in Hapkido through me. He is 65 years old. He recently had to move to the Sarasota area for a couple of months to get some serious treatment for prostrate cancer. He is going to a specialist over there. While over there he joined a Korean TKD Dojang for a couple of months so he can get his workouts in between treatments!!!! Now that is what I call dedicated and serious.... he's a great guy and doing well. Michael Tomlinson --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest