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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. RE: From another group: sore loser (michael tomlinson) 2. Re: From another group: sore loser (Tim) 3. Sore Loser (Gordon) 4. Re: From another group: sore loser (mvoncannon@akdwa.org) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] From another group: sore loser Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 14:15:16 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Personally I make an "example" of them....and then work that back into my teaching mindset of "because" you were doing this, this is what happened, and "now" lets be more humble and learn with respect and teamwork...only had to do it a few times...which is good... Michael Tomlinson >From: Jye nigma >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: jyesluv@hotmail.com >Subject: [The_Dojang] From another group: sore loser >Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 04:09:47 -0700 (PDT) > >On a slightly different note, how do you deal with people who are >convinced that they are better than you (but they are not). > >So because they are convinced they are better than you, when they >spar/fight, they will not stop until they "win". And since they can't >win, they just keep hitting harder, getting rougher etc ... i.e. >someone will get hurt ... > > > >--------------------------------- >Yahoo! for Good > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Tim" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] From another group: sore loser Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 10:23:21 -0400 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I think that if you have told them your feelings on there behavior and they continue. Your only option is to give them a good beating and teach them some humility. Just my humble opinion. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jye nigma" To: Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 7:09 AM Subject: [The_Dojang] From another group: sore loser > On a slightly different note, how do you deal with people who are > convinced that they are better than you (but they are not). > > So because they are convinced they are better than you, when they > spar/fight, they will not stop until they "win". And since they can't > win, they just keep hitting harder, getting rougher etc ... i.e. > someone will get hurt ... > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! for Good > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Gordon" To: Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 10:12:37 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Sore Loser Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jye wrote: On a slightly different note, how do you deal with people who are convinced that they are better than you (but they are not). So because they are convinced they are better than you, when they spar/fight, they will not stop until they "win". And since they can't win, they just keep hitting harder, getting rougher etc ... i.e. someone will get hurt ... It's usually a big man with son's that joined with him or starting a rank or two below him. He just reached yellow belt, bought his sparring gear and after watching others for the past months wants to prove himself. The sense of; pride/machismo, I can take you, I've killed in the military, my wife/girlfriend/son/friend is watching, I took judo in the service or, I used to. whatever, is apparent in his eyes. Without fail, the Instructor at the time takes him first. After admonishing him about his excessive use of force, the instructor will end the round and put him with an opponent smaller than the big man, usually 2dn dan or higher with instructions to admonish then strike back with equal force. These instructions are given with a glance, with the big man unaware. There is nothing malicious in this. Just like rearing children, we all must learn to play well with others. The big man and the smaller dan holder are paired in front of the gallery to spar, in full view of all in attendance. After the round starts, the words are inevitably spoken; "Please Mr. Blank, if you persist in hitting so hard, I will be forced to hit you hard back." With a grin from the big man, he bows and says; "I'm sorry sir, I'll be more careful." After a couple more powerful strikes by the big man, his opponent strikes back with the speed and accuracy worthy of his rank. The strike is always delivered to the abdomen, always where ALL can see. This usually doubles him over or drops him to a knee thereby humbling him. The smaller man reaches out to help the big man up and, now with respect, another bow is given by the big man along with an apology. Now, a bond is formed, both a bond of respect and friendship. Usually the big man eases off and becomes one of the better students and many times, goes on to become a fine instructor. Sometimes with a mountain sized man, it takes a few terrible blows to the solar plexus to make him understand. Other times, all it takes is just a jump spin heel stopped just before striking his cheek, to wake him up. When in grappling, they don't tap out in a submission hold. We simply move onto a choke hold and choke them out. When they come to, all is forgiven and a friend is gained. Gordon Okerstrom --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 11:24:51 -0500 From: mvoncannon@akdwa.org To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Cc: jyesluv@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] From another group: sore loser Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Quoting Jye nigma : > On a slightly different note, how do you deal with people who are > convinced that they are better than you (but they are not). > > So because they are convinced they are better than you, when they > spar/fight, they will not stop until they "win". And since they can't > win, they just keep hitting harder, getting rougher etc ... i.e. > someone will get hurt ... Wow. I have never had this happen to me but am interested in other ideas. I would think that if you were to put this person in a submissive position (take down, some kind of lock) and show them that they are at your mercy, they would have no choice but to give up. There has to be a point in where someone just realizes the futility of continuing on their current path. That is one of the ideas behind learning. Don't get me wrong. A challenge can bring out the best in people and gives you a goal to work for. In my opinion that is what the other person should be doing, working for it. Crank up their training. Work with other people that are better than they are, but not as good as you are. An so on. - Martin Von Cannon Tacoma Dojang Instructor AKDWA.ORG --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest