Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 17:39:08 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 12 #411 - 13 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. RE: Stephen Bonner (Thomas Gordon) 2. Re: video clip: amateur weapons work (dean_lopez@houston-f-body.org) 3. HAPKIDO CURRICULUM (James Allison) 4. Bio DVD (Ray) 5. Re: Hapkido (aburrese@aol.com) 6. Sword form (Sheree Goldstein) 7. Hwa Soo Do (Gladewater SooBahkDo) 8. Re: Hwa Soo Do (Ray) 9. Re: Re: Hapkido (jakskru) 10. Jakskru Hapkido (Gordon) 11. Re: video clip: amateur weapons work (Jae Stulock) 12. Seminar (Jye nigma) 13. Re: video clip: amateur weapons work (Jye nigma) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Thomas Gordon" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Stephen Bonner Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 23:18:23 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Master Terry, That's him. http://stephanbonnar.com/ Wonder if he knew the camera crew was coming. Thanks for answering that for me, it would have bugged me. Thomas Gordon Florida --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 23:55:26 -0500 From: dean_lopez@houston-f-body.org To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] video clip: amateur weapons work Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net OMG!! What a hoot! Thanks for sharing that! JKN Dean Quoting Jye nigma : > http://www.yourdailymedia.com/media/1127903356 > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "James Allison" To: Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:27:00 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] HAPKIDO CURRICULUM Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In response to K Carters question about Hapkido Curriculum; We still use the old NAHA curriculum. I have cleaned it up quit a bit over the years but we still use it through 4th Dan. Which I learned from Dave Weatherly. I was one of his senior members for many years. Also, since I became a student of GM Ji Han Jae we also teach hiscurriculum in our school which has added a whole new dimension to our training. Respectfully your, James Allison Hapkido Sun Moo Kwan --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:48:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Bio DVD Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The Martial Arts History Museum is proud to announce the release of the first ever, Martial Arts Hall of Fame Biography DVD. Martial Arts Museum/UCWE/ Los Angeles, CA - The Martial Arts History Museum is proud to announce the release of the first ever, Martial Arts Hall of Fame Biography DVD. This first of a collection series pays proper tribute to many of the pioneers, legends, champions and masters who have made an impact in the martial arts community. The DVD provides a short history of the pioneers of the community and indicates why they were selected as part of the prestigious Hall of Fame. Each biography series, which is bound to be a collector's item, highlights archival photographs, videos and narrations by Museum Ambassador David Ortiz. Then Hall of Fame inductees were selected to be part of this first edition. They include the biographies of hapkido legend Bong Soo Han, kickboxing champion Blinky Rodriguez, nationally rated forms competitor Carrie Ogawa-Wong, the "father of American karate" Ed Parker, Japanese karate pioneer Hidy Ochiai, the "king of kata" Eric Lee, pioneer of female kickboxing Lilly Rodriguez, taekwondo legend S. Henry Cho and kali pioneer Ted LucayLucay. The DVD is not for sale but given freely to "Dragon Level" Museum Members. Memberships are tax-deductible since the Martial Arts History Museum is a non-profit, charitable organization. "It's important that we have some type of validity and accountability in the martial arts. The inductees in the Hall of Fame are something that people should strive for and something that will show others for many generations why they were selected to be part of the Hall of Fame," notes Museum president Michael Matsuda. "The Museum will have many items that people will not only enjoy, but have as part of their collection. Especially when it has to do with the style an individual is studying. This will help keep that history alive." --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:57:22 -0400 From: aburrese@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Hapkido Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Can anyone please tell me about hapkido curriculumn does everyone folow Dr. kimms hapkido II? does anyone follow khf or does anyone still do naha ?what other groups have there own or what about schools that do there own curriculumn in there school apart from associations. k carter ************************************** The Hapkido curriculum that I teach is based primarily on the KHF curriculum I learned in Korea. I do have an instructor?s manual (in Korean) from the KHF that I use some. In addition, I have added and changed things along the way, and I still modify things as I learn and grow as an instructor. My instructors in Korea do not teach the exact curriculum they were teaching when I first trained with them either. Things we were doing there ten years ago are not the same as what are being taught now. I have changed some of my curriculum over the years to match the changes my instructor in Korea made. (My students always wonder what I?ll be changing each time I return from Korea trips.) But some of the changes they have made I have not adopted. (My instructors are not members of Oh Se-lim?s KHF any longer either) I also teach things that I have learned elsewhere as well. So my curriculum is a bit different from any other curriculum out there, but if you look at it, you will definitely see that it is Hapkido, and most Hapkido people will recognize the techniques, etc. The biggest difference is that I may teach things in a different order or at a different belt level than others do. I?m slowly putting my curriculum down on paper, and then may even put it in DVD form. It?s not better or worse than other Hapkido curriculums, just a bit different. But it is strongly influenced by the KHF curriculum that is my base for Hapkido. Hope this helps a bit. Yours in Training, Alain www.burrese.com --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:04:26 -0400 To: Dojang Digest From: Sheree Goldstein Subject: [The_Dojang] Sword form Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I am currently working on learning the first sword form called "Il Gum" or something that sounds like that. Would anyone on this list know of the steps or a video available anywhere on the Internet? Thanks, Sheree Goldstein 2nd dan, Instructor, TKD --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: "the_dojang" Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:54:25 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Hwa Soo Do Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ray I have done some research on the practice of Hwa Soo Do. I too and curious. I don't have all the answers yet but this is what I do have. Ray As you know November 9th 1945 was the opening of the first Moo Duk Kwan school. Kwan Jang Nim Hwang Kee only had three students. Oh, Won Yong---Hahm, Hae Song--- Lee, Song Cho. They only trained for three months and then quit. There ability to continue that teaching would have been remote due to there lack of exposure. In February 1946 Kwan Jang Nim Hwang Kee recruted a new group of students. They were Hong, Song Kyun---Shin, Jae Young---Yoon, Jae Chul (NOT Edward Yoon)---Kim, Uk Chu---Kim, Dong Han. They also quit after about three months. In 1947 Hwang Kee began to use the name Tang Soo in order to gain recongnition from the Korean population. However in 1949 he published the Hwa Soo Do Kyo Bohn, and in the little blue book there is a picture from 1951 of the Do-Jang in Pusan with Hwa Soo Do (Tang Soo) over the school. I have no record of the the name Hwa Soo Do been used after the Korean War. In 1958 Hwang Kee Published the Tang Soo Do Kyo Bon. I have a traslated copy of the news letters Hwang Kee published during 1960 called Moo Yei Si Bo. I find no reference of Hwa Soo Do, only Tang Soo Do, Soo Bahk Ki and the Moo Yei Do Bo Tong Ji find from 1957. The name Soo Bahk Do was adopted 1960. Mr. Yang (Dan number 5347) was born January 27, 1942 according to the Dan Bon book. would have been 12 years old in 1954 when he trained in Hwa Soo Do under Sung, Che Im (Which I can not find anywhere in the Moo Duk Kwan records.) He would have been 15 when he began training under Hwang Kee. He would have been 20 when he was issued his Cho Dan number. It is possible he learned Hwa Soo Do from a former student (maybe this Sung, Che Im) of Hwang Kee using the Hwa Soo Kyo Bon book. I can only assume that this person would have trained after the Hwa Soo Do publication in May 30, 1949 and the 1954 date when Mr. Yang began training in Hwa Soo Do. This would have given a person 5 or 6 years of training time prior to instructing Mr. Yang, and because this instructor does not have a Dan Number I can find in the Moo Duk Kwan history I assume he was never promoted by Hwang Kee. Conclusion is that Mr. Yang problably did train under someone using the Hwa Soo Do Kyo Bon book but the quality of the instruction may be in question. He did, with out a doupt, however recieve his dan number 5347 from Hwang Kee in 1962 the certificate is issued from the Korean Soo Bahk Do association Moo Duk Kwan JCGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Hwa Soo Do To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:15:54 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I have done some research on the practice of Hwa Soo Do. ... > ... Excellent info! Thanks! Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "jakskru" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Hapkido Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 14:59:42 -0400 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net i asked a similar but more in depth question earlier, but got no response....so let me shorten it this time---does anyone feel it is better to teach HKD technique situationaly (i.e. partners work on defense from grab, punch etc.) or to teach the technique ( wristlock, armbar, block/strike, etc.) and then teach the situational use? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 11:57 AM Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Hapkido > Can anyone please tell me about hapkido curriculumn does everyone folow Dr. > kimms hapkido II? does anyone follow khf or does anyone still do naha ?what > other groups have there own or what about schools that do there own curriculumn > in there school apart from associations. > k carter > > ************************************** --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Gordon" To: Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 14:38:20 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Jakskru Hapkido Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net We teach the "raw" technique and then experiment on its uses. However, I'm ashamed to say that if we have prospective students on the floor, we ham it up and show a number of self defense applications of the technique to lour them in. Gordon Okerstrom --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 15:05:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Jae Stulock Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] video clip: amateur weapons work To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I must agree, quite funny. This made me remember one of my old friends I used to spar with did something quite similar. He purchased, through a catalog as the internet had yet to exist on that level, a metal baton that seperated in the middle to form nunchucka. He was screwing around with them one day and hit his jewels soo hard he passed out. Poor kid never lived it down and my stomach hurt from laughing everytime it was brought up afterwards. ~Jae --- dean_lopez@houston-f-body.org wrote: > OMG!! What a hoot! Thanks for sharing that! > > > JKN Dean > > > > Quoting Jye nigma : > > > http://www.yourdailymedia.com/media/1127903356 > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million > songs. Try it free. > > _______________________________________________ > > The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members > > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > > Standard disclaimers apply > > > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 17:58:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: jyesluv@hotmail.com Subject: [The_Dojang] Seminar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The VAGABOND MARTIAL ARTS ASSOCIATION presents the 3rd Annual SPECTRUM OF FILIPINO MARTIAL ARTS seminar Topics include: Knife training and defense Stick training Filipino boxing Filipino kickboxing Filipino grappling Pressure point techniques Trapping and close quarter combat Situational self defense All styles and skill levels welcome.This annual seminar is an introduction to the Filipino arts for the uninitiated and an opportunity to round out the skills of experienced martial artists of other styles. Space is limited,reserve your space now! MATERIALS:2 escrima/kali sticks,1 rigid training blade TIME: Saturday November 12th 2005 10am-5pm (with a lunch break) Price: $100 before November 5th $125 after November 5th Location: Lost Mountain Park 4845 Dallas Highway, Powder Springs, GA Contact: Guro James vagabondarts@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. --__--__-- Message: 13 Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 18:00:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] video clip: amateur weapons work To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net lol...i bought the same ones...they were cool except light weight. jye Jae Stulock wrote: I must agree, quite funny. This made me remember one of my old friends I used to spar with did something quite similar. He purchased, through a catalog as the internet had yet to exist on that level, a metal baton that seperated in the middle to form nunchucka. He was screwing around with them one day and hit his jewels soo hard he passed out. Poor kid never lived it down and my stomach hurt from laughing everytime it was brought up afterwards. ~Jae --- dean_lopez@houston-f-body.org wrote: > OMG!! What a hoot! Thanks for sharing that! > > > JKN Dean > > > > Quoting Jye nigma : > > > http://www.yourdailymedia.com/media/1127903356 > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million > songs. 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