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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Fireman carry (United HapKiDo Academy) 2. Re: Modern Farang Mu SulŪ Events (mdealba@pacbell.net) 3. Re: ITF or WTF (Janet Lundquist) 4. Re: clarify (Janet Lundquist) 5. Re: Re: Modern Farang Mu SulŪ Events (Jye nigma) 6. RE: Fireman carry (michael tomlinson) 7. teaching someone to learn (michael tomlinson) 8. Is crisis of Taekwondo over? (Ray) 9. Del Rio Tae Kwon Do Chip (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "United HapKiDo Academy" To: "'Dojang Digest'" Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 17:14:48 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Fireman carry Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello, I have a question for HapKiDo instructors. How many of you teach the fireman carry as part of your class curriculum? The reason I ask is because of all the HapKiDo instructional videos that I own the only organizations that I see teaching this technique is HanMuDo & KukSool. Thank you in advance for your help. Joe Corchado _____ I've stopped 104 spam and fraud messages. You can too! One month FREE spam and fraud protection at HYPERLINK "http://www.cloudmark.com/sigs?rc="www.cloudmark.com HYPERLINK "http://www.cloudmark.com/sigs?rc="Cloudmark Desktop - Join the fight against spam! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.2/137 - Release Date: 10/16/2005 [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of image001.gif] --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "mdealba@pacbell.net" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 18:34:48 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Modern Farang Mu SulŪ Events Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Thank you, For your kind words on our video clips, and for your concern for my student. Rest assured that he was always safe and as shocking as the head scissors fall looks, we were able to keep him from getting hurt. Despite having done that technique dozens of times before, for some reason, that day our timing was slightly off, and he had a very short arch in the fall which made his body "stick" for a second, but I was able to make sure he had enough cushion. Believe me, when we saw the footage from that day, we were all blown away on how impacting it looked. So much so, that my editor kept using that shot in our montage clips. That is actually one of our crowd pleasing demo techniques. I would personally use dozens of other techniques first before that one. With brotherhood, Grand Master De Alba -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Janet Lundquist" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] ITF or WTF Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 17:38:18 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Beware, list lurker speaking out: I learn WTF tkd and have never been told to spar with my hands down. That, to me, seems somewhat ridiculous. How can you prevent a kick to the head or even the chest with your hands down? I have also been taught repeatedly that sparring in a tournament is completely different than what could happen on the street. We are trained to deal with both, and sparring is just a game. Sparring is not realistic self-defense. It would be idiotic to play by sparring rules in a street fight (??). That just seems like common sense to me. I don't know much about ITF, I've only done WTF. But I've attended two tkd schools and both taught hands up in sparring. Janie, 1st Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "sam saenz" To: Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 11:33 AM Subject: [The_Dojang] ITF or WTF >I would definitely agree with that. I would not teach > my students to spar hands down, just because punches > to the face are not allowed. In the street, anything > goes. Definitely some bad habits to form. I received > my 1st Dan through WTF, but now am training ITF. I, > as well, like the forms, but also like the WTF forms. > In my opinion, WTF sparring needs to change the format > so that it helps the competitors keep there hands up. > There is no way that WTF sparring would be in anyway > helpful in a real life confrontation, unless the > practioner is extemely fast, but even then, they are > at high risk. > Just my opinion. > > Sam Saenz > IV Dan > United Martial Arts Society > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Janet Lundquist" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] clarify Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 17:48:14 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Well, you can prevent a point without using your hands (rereading my last post), but it still doesn't make sense to me to spar with hands down. Like AD says, punches and even kicks are easier to block with arms than evasion. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amcreva Drogovah" To: Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 5:50 AM Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: RE: ITF or WTF >I would just like to clairify with you that most taekwondo schools that > teach WTF will teach the students to have the arms up. The old habit, I > think comes from the fact that punching isn't the focus of tournament > sparring. Now that punching is being enstated bad habits like having your > hands down will lead to big problems. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Help protect your PC with Virus Guard from MSN Premium: Join now and get > the first two months FREE* > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 16:29:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Modern Farang Mu SulŪ Events To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net yeah when I was watching the clip, I looked away for a hot second and when I turned back around I saw that and thought....man the other guy almost broke his neck...but as that portion went on I could see his arms in a position similar to an i-ching posture...or better yet a headstand type of deal. But yeah that was a good exhibition technique. I see others like when SGM Boo Jang Lee throws someone by their jaw, and even though you know they practice these things hundreds, perhaps thousands of times, sometimes the acting of the person getting beat is so good you really begin to think they are really hurt. Good stuff though. Does anyone else have clips of themselves? Jye "mdealba@pacbell.net" wrote: Thank you, For your kind words on our video clips, and for your concern for my student. Rest assured that he was always safe and as shocking as the head scissors fall looks, we were able to keep him from getting hurt. Despite having done that technique dozens of times before, for some reason, that day our timing was slightly off, and he had a very short arch in the fall which made his body "stick" for a second, but I was able to make sure he had enough cushion. Believe me, when we saw the footage from that day, we were all blown away on how impacting it looked. So much so, that my editor kept using that shot in our montage clips. That is actually one of our crowd pleasing demo techniques. I would personally use dozens of other techniques first before that one. With brotherhood, Grand Master De Alba --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Fireman carry Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 23:46:11 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Joe, I personally teach four variations of the firemans carry and five versions of the reverse firemans carry..the firemans carry can be done from close to a free style wrestling technique which is a takedown all the way to the fourth variation which basically breaks the neck and crushes the groin on the upsweep.. the reverse firemans carry is more devastating with some very severe arm dislocations and breaks along with the throw...personally I love both versions, the street variations I learned from Doju Nim Ji Han Jae, and Master Hal Whalen for both of these techniques are awesome..the techniques I learned from Master Hal Whalen come from the old Korea Hapkido Association, and the one's I learned from Doju Nim Ji Han Jae is straight from the Sin Moo Hapkido curriculum, with the more severe versions falling in the "high 8 techniques" which are quite brutal and scary but a lot of fun to learn... Michael Tomlinson >From: "United HapKiDo Academy" >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: "'Dojang Digest'" >Subject: [The_Dojang] Fireman carry >Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 17:14:48 -0500 > >Hello, > >I have a question for HapKiDo instructors. How many of you teach the >fireman >carry as part of your class curriculum? The reason I ask is because of all >the HapKiDo instructional videos that I own the only organizations that I >see teaching this technique is HanMuDo & KukSool. > >Thank you in advance for your help. > >Joe Corchado > > > > > > _____ > >I've stopped 104 spam and fraud messages. You can too! >One month FREE spam and fraud protection at HYPERLINK >"http://www.cloudmark.com/sigs?rc="www.cloudmark.com >HYPERLINK "http://www.cloudmark.com/sigs?rc="Cloudmark Desktop - Join the >fight against spam! > > > > > > >-- >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.2/137 - Release Date: 10/16/2005 > >[demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of >image001.gif] >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 00:01:08 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] teaching someone to learn Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net IMHO it is quite simple..teaching anything involves a sequence of strands, one leading into the next etc. etc....when it comes to a Hapkido technique,,.first you have to learn the stepping the mechanics and moves and understand the hows and whys and pains and breaking points...then you learn to apply the same technique from different attacks thrown at you and that helps you with your movement, speed and muscle memory...which by the way doesn't actually exist...there is no such thing as muscle memory...it is actually mind memory which activates your muscles...in affect your muscles have no memory but through constant repitition your mind activates your muscles quickly and effeciently with no lag time...then you learn the situation scenario.....to learn the "situation" technique first IMHO is not the proper sequence to learning...dudes learning is learning,, basically whatever the physical activity involved...think of it this way...when you first learned to drive did your first encounter with driving a car involve you "situationally" being thrown onto the highway doing 70 miles an hour before you slowly understood what a brake pedal was, what a steering wheel felt and worked like...etc.... IF you teach situation first IMHO you have no concept of how to actually teach physical movement and create a well rounded and successful learning curve.....my two cents anyway for what it's worth... Michael Tomlinson --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 18:43:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Is crisis of Taekwondo over? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Is crisis of Taekwondo over? Taekwondo Still Official Olympic Sport S. Korea's National Sport Survives IOC Vote The Seoul Times Tuesday, October 18, 2005 South Korea's national sport Taekwondo survived the threat of being ditched out as an official event in 2012 Summer Olympics to be held in London. In a vote, held at in Singapore July 8, 2005 as part of the IOC (International Olympic Committee)'s 117th Congress, Taekwondo gained more than half of the votes cast by 115 IOC members. Meanwhile, baseball and soft ball failed to continue to remain as an official Olympic event. Baseball has been an official game since it was adopted as such in 1992 Barcelona Olympics. In case of softball, it became an official Olympic game in 1996 Summer Games held in Atlanta, Georgia. Baseball's failure is mostly ascribable to the fact that American major leaders are not participating in the Olympic Games. Softball got poor scores from the IOC voters, since it lacks universality and international recognition. The IOC votes were conducted on the each of the Summer Olympics' 28 games. Details of the voting results were not announced. Taekwondo was adopted as an official Olympic game in the 2000 Sydney Summer Olympics. With the positive result from IOC's Singapore Congress Taekwondo will remain until 2012 London Olympics, but four years from now it will be subject to another IOC vote to be available for 2016 Olympics. Lovers of Taekwondo and South Koreans were worried that its national sport might be kicked out of the Olympic Games as there were some problems with Taekwondo. There had been some senses of crisis involving Taekwondo which was under attack from critics for its lack of fairness in judgement, low interest in the game, and being unsuitable for television broadcasting. The Korea's traditional martial art has also been challenged by karate, a Japanese martial art, ever since it became an official Olympic sport in 2000. The satisfactory outcome was made possible by the reform move by the world governing body of Taekwondo. In recent months World Taekwondo Federation has conducted a series of reform actions as part of its efforts to make it truly a sport loved by people around the world. Some of the reforms included introduction of an electronic scoring system and revision of match rules. Other sporting bodies including Korean Olympic Committee (KOC) were also helpful. Even President Roh Moo-Hyun stepped in. President Roh wrote to the International Olympic Committee (IOC) President Jacques Rogge, seeking Rogge's support in keeping Taekwondo as an Olympic event. In his letter, delivered July 4, 2005, by Korean Olympic Committee head Kim Jung-Kil, Roh called for Rogge's continuing support for the Korean sport Taekwondo. --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 18:59:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Del Rio Tae Kwon Do Chip Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Del Rio Tae Kwon Do Championship 2005 Del Rio Civic Center Pecan Room 1915 Veterans Blvd Del Rio, Texas Sunday, December 4 For more info: 830.703.0269 or 830.703.0268 --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest