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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: fireman carry (jakskru) 2. (no subject) (Rudy Timmerman) 3. da fireman's throws (michael tomlinson) 4. Re: fireman carry (tim walker) 5. Re: fireman carry (michael tomlinson) 6. Re: The_Dojang digest, HapKiDo curriculum (Raymond Navarro) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "jakskru" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] fireman carry Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 21:59:55 -0400 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net this firemans carry---are you referring to the judo technique of katagrama? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 5:54 PM Subject: [The_Dojang] fireman carry > My school uses this technique ,but i don't know if we teach it just as you > do?but it is something very adaptable for differing body types.I think several > groups use it but none come to mind. > k carter > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 2 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Rudy Timmerman Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 22:29:46 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] (no subject) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I have a question for HapKiDo instructors. How many of you teach > the fireman > carry as part of your class curriculum? The reason I ask is because > of all > the HapKiDo instructional videos that I own the only organizations > that I > see teaching this technique is HanMuDo & KukSool. Hello all: I am sure that the videos you mention simply did not list these techniques, as I have never seen a complete Hap Ki Do curriculum that did not have these throws in them. Reason why these techniques show up in Han Mu Do and Kuk Sool is that these arts follow similar roots. I personally do not care for them because of my size; however, I never drop techniques because they do not suit my body style. So, they are still part and parcel of Kong Shin Bup as well. --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 13:35:55 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] da fireman's throws Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net kind of hard to put into words: firemans carry 1. dropping to a knee,,is quick and angled off to the side so you can get side control right after takedown. 2. dropping to a knee,, involves more a a dumping of the body while the head stays close to you for instant follow ups 3. dropping to a knee quickly and using a ridgehand strike to the groin as you strike you use that upward arm momentum to thrust your body upward, kind of like a clean and jerk movement... this get you the vertical power to get a lot of momentum..this one is to see how high and far you can throw the opponents body away from you.. 4. much like 3 but you don't actually drop to a knee you use the squat motion and throw the opponents body in close to you, kind of up and over... reverse fireman 1. drop to a knee, quick throw 2. get into position for throw but use as a come along...ie..arm break 3.standard position with throw 4. step between legs 5. step behind legs... Michael Tomlinson >From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: >Subject: [The_Dojang] Fireman's carry >Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 13:32:38 -0500 > >Michael Tomlinson wrote: > > >I personally teach four variations of the firemans carry and five >versions of the reverse firemans carry.. > >My reply: > >Interesting! I teach fireman's carry and reverse fireman's carry as >well (the latter seems to be the classic Daito-ryu aikijujutsu pose). >What are your 4/5 variations Michael? I see so far: > >Fireman's carry: >1. "Close to a free style wrestling technique which is a takedown all >the way": Does that mean falling backward with the guy, or flipping him >like one would in kata guruma? >2. >3. >4. "Basically breaks the neck and crushes the groin on the upsweep" So, >groin grab on upsweep (crush the testicles) and then dump him on his >head over your shoulder? Sort of like in the Sangmukwan version of the >bow block in Palgwe 4? That's one the Danzan-ryu guys under Sig >Kufferath did too. > >And what are "high 8 techniques?" > >Thanks, > >Dakin >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "tim walker" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] fireman carry Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 12:24:21 -0400 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Thanks for the education, you guys. All this time, I thought the fireman's carry was what Peter MacDonald did with his lunchbox when he went to work! timo "Primum non nocere" --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] fireman carry Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 16:40:30 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net LOL that's the best kind of firemans carry, no violence and a good meal and nappy time later....Michael Tomlinson >From: "tim walker" >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: >Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] fireman carry >Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 12:24:21 -0400 > >Thanks for the education, you guys. All this time, I thought the fireman's >carry was what Peter MacDonald did with his lunchbox when he went to work! > >timo >"Primum non nocere" _______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 20:00:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Raymond Navarro To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: The_Dojang digest, HapKiDo curriculum Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Jakskru and the rest too, be blessed. I am Ramon Navarro, HapKiDo SabomNim 4th Dan and been teaching Sonmg Moo Kwan HapKiDo for 28 years. HapKiDo is no real taboo but you will not get to know about this art unless you had the oportunity to live it. There are 2 types of HapKiDo basically there is watered HapKiDo and real rooted HapKiDo. Not all real rooted HapKiDo are as complete and pure as they can be. You see, a lot of HapKiDo today being thought any were is cut down from the full spectrum that it could cover if it is complete. We in Song Moo Kwan that is founded by KwanjangNim Park, SongIL or SongIL Park whom is a direct student of DojuNim Ji, HanJae or HanJae Ji. Grand Master Park is a 9th Dan and founded Song Moo Kwan HapKiDo before he introduced it here in the Country of Panama in October 1976. We have lots of stretching exercices for warmups as for kooldowns, 21 basic kicks, basically have 10 basic blocks and many basic strikes, falls of all types and acrobatics that are functional for self defense use. The techniques are in this ammount of color belts: white, yellow, yelllow with 1 srtipe, blue, blue 1 stripe and blue 2 stripes, red, red 1 stripe and red 2 stripes...Black Belt ! White in brief covers wrist, elbow, shoulder, behind the neck form the front, 3 diferetnt types of lappel grabs, chest push, ribs grab, 2 tipes of belt buckle grabs, all have strikes, breaks, throws and sweeps. Yellow is behind the body/torso like this: behind neck grab, grab 2 shoulders, 2 elbows, 2 wrist, 2 wrist pulled up pressing the lower back, 3 types of double Nelsons, back body bear hugs under the arms as over the arms and the same in bear hugs from the front of the body. Yellow 1 stripe covers cross wrist grab, 2 hands grab 1 wrist, 2 hands grab 2 writs, Seated techniques: Leg against leg, Hand against leg, Mirror wrist grab, cross wrist grab, neck grab from the front and hair grab from front. Blue is strikes, breaks, throws and sweeps against a punch. Blue 1 stripe is defense against someone traying to throw us and this we call techniques against Judo from rigth before being grabed, at the momment of being grabed, at the moment of being ready to be thrown and a special technique going in the air while being thrown. Blue 2 stripes is against kicks: strikes, breaks, throws and sweeps. Red is against Knife attack: straight in stab, down stab, inward as outward stab also with strikes, breaks, throws and sweeps. Red 1 stripe is the well known come along or arrest techniques. Red 2 stripes are against all diferent types of chokes standing as in the ground. By this level one gets his Black Belt and starts to learn more, much more like basic BB techniques and counter defense techniques plus weaponds etc, etc. Hope to be of some help; oh yes, as one advencess one will learn more advanced Kicks, kicks of all types. To tell is no wrong since it is not teaching and if one is alowed to teach then I see no reason for some one to stop you from teaching this !!! Take care, HAP SabomNim Ramon Navarro  7. Re: Re: Hapkido (jakskru) Message: 7 From: "jakskru" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Hapkido Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 18:00:49 -0400 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net WOW, I ONLY GOT ONE RESPONSE! CAN SOMEONE TELL ME WHY? IS THIS A TABOO SUBJECT? TRADE SECRETS? WILL KILLA-NINJIFTS COME AND STOP ANY WHO DARE TELL?   ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get a web-based email for life now ---> http://mail.hapkidokr.org --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest