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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. RE: Aikido, Hapkido and Aikijujutsu (Howard Spivey) 2. RE: fireman carry (PETER.MCDONALDSMITH@london-fire.gov.uk) 3. firemans carry throwing (Hapkidoman5@wmconnect.com) 4. Korea is cool (Ray) 5. USAT 2006 schedule (Ray) 6. Martial Art Bloopers (Thomas Gordon) 7. RE: fireman carry (michael tomlinson) 8. Suitable technique (Rudy Timmerman) 9. Re: GM Timmerman on techniques (Dcuster52@wmconnect.com) 10. martial arts is as martial arts does (Brooke Thomas) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Howard Spivey" To: Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 17:14:39 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Aikido, Hapkido and Aikijujutsu Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Brian, I have a friend whose father studied Tomiki Aikido and said that he used its techniques effectively in law enforcement in Scotland. It is supposed to be a relatively aggressive style of Aikido (if that's the right word). As for Aikijujutsu, apparently there are really very few legitimate schools in the States. I attended a seminar taught by Kondo sensei at one (the Aiki Institute) in Edgewood, MD a couple of weekends ago (Daito Ryu AJJ, to be specific). I met a several gusy with dan rank in Daito Ryu there, but I don't believe that any of them have schools devoted exclusively to Daito Ryu. If you find an AJJ school, I think you'll find significant differences between Aikido and AJJ. AJJ will be much closer to Hapkido in that it makes much more frequent use of strikes and forceful joint locks. The similarities between Daito Ryu and Hapkido are obvious, although there are clear differences too. Good luck in finding a school that meets your objectives. "...the only thing I want to add to my TKD self defense tools is Hapkido. What I mean by that is studying the full art of Hapkido not just learning self defense "drills" based from Hapkido. If I can't get Hapkido here in Charleston, SC I may go the Aikido route. Does anyone know a particular style of Aikido that closely resembles Hapkido other than Aikijujitsu? I have not been able to find any Aikijujitsu dojos in the US for that matter. Anyhow, I continue to study TKD and will always study it as it is the art that got me hooked on MA. But I definitely want to study a KI art such as Hapkido or Aikido if I can find one close by." --__--__-- Message: 2 Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] fireman carry Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 22:15:47 +0100 From: To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net CUTE! how I love the digest! Oh and however said that we revert in times in times of stress. we had a fire in a second floor flat last night. I had to kick down 3 doors while wearing fairly restrictive fire gear, breathing apparatus and carrying a hose. when the fire was out and my colleagues were inspecting the flat they noted that my boot marks on the door were right on the locks of the internal doors. being a bit of a TKD evangelist I told them that it was all down to my TKD training. -----Original Message----- From: michael tomlinson [mailto:tomlinson_michael@hotmail.com] Sent: 19 October 2005 17:41 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] fireman carry LOL that's the best kind of firemans carry, no violence and a good meal and nappy time later....Michael Tomlinson >From: "tim walker" >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: >Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] fireman carry >Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 12:24:21 -0400 > >Thanks for the education, you guys. All this time, I thought the fireman's >carry was what Peter MacDonald did with his lunchbox when he went to work! > >timo >"Primum non nocere" _______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang **************************************************************************** SMOKE ALARMS SAVE LIVES Go to London Fire at www.london-fire.gov.uk/firesafety This email is confidential to the addressee only. If you do not believe that you are the intended addressee, do not use, pass on or copy it in any way. If you have received it in error, please delete it immediately and telephone the supplied number, reversing the charges if necessary. --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Hapkidoman5@wmconnect.com Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 17:46:18 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] firemans carry throwing Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net jakskru" wrote this firemans carry---are you referring to the judo technique of katagrama? yes thats it exactly and the variations thereof. kcarter --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 19:09:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Korea is cool Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net FWIW... Korea's Makeover From Dull to Hip Changes Face of Asia Popularity of Country's Stars Spurs Plastic Surgery; Seeking a Prominent Nose By GORDON FAIRCLOUGH Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL October 20, 2005 SEOUL, South Korea -- Cate Siu is from Hong Kong, but she's a fan of South Korean television shows and she keeps up with gossip about Korean celebrities on the Internet. Her favorite is a beautiful soap-opera star, Song Hye Kyo, whose bee-stung lips and feminine features she admires. "Korean actresses have prominent and elegant noses," says Ms. Siu, a 25-year-old aspiring actress. "They look so pretty." So, when Ms. Siu decided she'd have a better shot at breaking into the entertainment business after improving her looks with a surgical makeover, she knew where she wanted to go. In April, she flew more than 1,000 miles to a clinic here for operations to raise the bridge of her nose, make her eyes appear larger and sharpen her chin. Across Asia, South Korea is cool. From fashion to music to film, the country of 48 million people is redefining style. And as notions of Korean beauty become popularized by the country's exploding cultural exports, women from around the region -- and some men, too -- are flocking to Seoul to have their faces remodeled. "A lot of my patients bring a picture of a Korean star from a magazine and say 'I want to look like that,' " says Chung Jong Pil, a surgeon who runs the Cinderella Plastic Surgery Clinic in a fashionable Seoul neighborhood. Dr. Chung estimates that just under 10% of his customers come from overseas; the rest are locals. Most of the foreign visitors come from China, Taiwan and Hong Kong, he says. Jung Dong Hak, a surgeon who specializes in rhinoplasty, or nose jobs, at another Seoul clinic, says roughly 15% of his patients are foreign. That number has been rising in the past few years. "The increase has been very big since the Korean Wave started," he says. The trend says a lot about Korea's own image makeover. Not long ago, many people saw the country as a decidedly uncool industrial park pumping out cheap cars and appliances. But that started to change in the late 1990s, when the Korean government decided that entertainment could be an export industry. The film business in particular benefited from government help and a big influx of private capital. Now, countries from Japan to Singapore are flooded with South Korean hip-hop and pop acts, melodramatic soap operas and movies from horror flicks to romantic comedies. The final episode of "Jewel in the Palace," a dramatic series about court intrigue during Korea's Chosun Dynasty, starring Korean beauty Lee Young Ae, this year became the most-watched television show in Hong Kong history. More than 40% of the city tuned in. Korean pop star BoA outsells Britney Spears in Japan. In 2004, Chinese television stations carried more than 100 Korean shows. The popularity of Korean stars is establishing Korean ethnic features as a standard of beauty across the region. Some sociologists see a subtext in the craze: a rebellion by Asian people against the images of Caucasian good looks that dominate much of the international media. Others see dangers. Wang Simei, vice general affairs director of the All-China Women's Federation, says the focus on beauty could result in long-term psychological damage for women who are banking too much on their looks. "Korean culture is something worth studying," Ms. Wang says. "But we might have paid too much attention to their soap operas and pretty actresses." Critics also point out that what appeals to many about Korean looks are exactly those features that make them look more Western. Koreans, related to the Mongols who once ruled the Central Asian steppes, tend to have more prominent noses and, often, lighter skin than other Asians, the country's plastic surgeons say. In physical terms, the Korean ideal is a relatively small, oval face with a high-bridged nose and large eyes with Western-style eyelids. Caucasians and many other ethnic groups have eyelids with a fold that allows them to retract. Many northeast Asians lack the fold, making their eyes appear smaller. Complicating the issue further, some Korean actresses have spoken openly about their own plastic surgeries. This has led to widespread speculation in Asia that nearly all Korean stars have gone under the knife. Purported before-and-after photos of Korean celebrities are widely available on the Internet. Lee Bingping, a woman from Foshan in southern China who visited Dr. Jung's clinic last year, says many of the Korean features she admires may be the result of a surgeon's skill. "I think Korean actresses are pretty. Because of Korean plastic-surgery techniques, they have a very soft, graceful style," Ms. Lee says. "If you have the money and the resources, you should try to look as good as possible." Just how common these procedures have become is hard to track but the number of surgeons performing image-enhancing work such as nose jobs and eye lifts has increased sharply. The Korean Society of Aesthetic and Plastic Surgery, a professional group, says its membership has risen 85% to 960 since 2000. Another group, the Korean Society of Plastic and Reconstructive Surgeons, lists 1,300 members. (California, with a population of 34 million, has 864 plastic surgeons, according to the state medical board.) "All the buzz and atmosphere makes young people today think [surgery] is common," says Lee Yihsiu, who runs the Taipei office of International Plastic Surgery, which matches up foreign patients with Korean surgeons. "Korean pop culture has made plastic surgery fashionable." Ms. Lee says business is "growing amazingly." The company arranges for 15 to 20 foreigners to visit South Korea for operations every month, with clients coming from Taiwan, China and Hong Kong. The 27-year-old Ms. Lee had a nose job in Seoul herself earlier this year as part of a makeover ahead of her wedding. Korean surgeons are coy about their celebrity patients. In Dr. Chung's consulting room at the Cinderella clinic, under the glass top on the coffee table, are dozens of autographed Polaroid pictures of stylish pop musicians, actors and actresses posing with Dr. Chung. The doctor describes the stars as friends and won't disclose which of them also are patients. But Dr. Chung says that beliefs about the power of surgery to transform appearances can be a mixed blessing. "People come with before-and-after pictures of celebrities," Dr. Chung says. "People expect a lot because of those kinds of pictures. But it's not realistic. We'll tell people they will look better, but not like the stars in the pictures." --Lina Yoon in Seoul, Chiu Piling in Taipei, Taiwan, and Cui Rong in Beijing contributed to this article. --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 19:12:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] USAT 2006 schedule Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net 2006 USAT Schedule Announced Tournament Date City, State Hotels Venue ----------------------------------------------------------------------- U.S. Open February 16-19, 2006 Dallas, TX www.thsweb.com Reunion Arena National Qualifier #1 April 1- 2, 2006 Rochester, MN www.thsweb.com Mayo Civic Center National Qualifier #2 April 8-9, 2006 Portland, OR www.thsweb.com Portland Coliseum National Qualifier #3 April 22-23, 2006 Anaheim, CA www.thsweb.com Anaheim Arena National Qualifier #4 May 13-14, 2006 Dallas, TX www.thsweb.com Reunion Arena National Qualifier #5 May 20-21, 2006 Buffalo, NY www.thsweb.com Buffalo-Niagara Convention Center National Qualifier #6 May 27-28, 2006 Miami, FL www.thsweb.com Pharmed Arena Junior Olympic Taekwondo Championships July 6-9, 2006 Atlanta, GA www.thsweb.com Georgia Dome Senior Nationals TBD TBD www.thsweb.com TBD --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Thomas Gordon" To: Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 21:31:32 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Martial Art Bloopers Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net http://urlsnip.com/335232 --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] fireman carry Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 02:36:51 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dude that's awesome...thank you for all you do to help others...keep up the fight brother.. Michael Tomlinson >From: >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: >Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] fireman carry >Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 22:15:47 +0100 > >CUTE! how I love the digest! Oh and however said that we revert in times >in >times of stress. we had a fire in a second floor flat last night. I had >to >kick down 3 doors while wearing fairly restrictive fire gear, breathing >apparatus and carrying a hose. when the fire was out and my colleagues >were >inspecting the flat they noted that my boot marks on the door were right on >the locks of the internal doors. being a bit of a TKD evangelist I told >them >that it was all down to my TKD training. > >-----Original Message----- >From: michael tomlinson [mailto:tomlinson_michael@hotmail.com] >Sent: 19 October 2005 17:41 >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] fireman carry > > >LOL that's the best kind of firemans carry, no violence and a good meal and >nappy time later....Michael Tomlinson > > > >From: "tim walker" > >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >To: > >Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] fireman carry > >Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 12:24:21 -0400 > > > >Thanks for the education, you guys. All this time, I thought the >fireman's > >carry was what Peter MacDonald did with his lunchbox when he went to >work! > > > >timo > >"Primum non nocere" _______________________________________________ > >The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members > >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > >Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > >Standard disclaimers apply > >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > >**************************************************************************** > > > >SMOKE ALARMS SAVE LIVES > > > >Go to London Fire at www.london-fire.gov.uk/firesafety > > > >This email is confidential to the addressee only. If you do not believe >that >you are the intended addressee, do not use, pass on or copy it in any way. >If you have received it in error, please delete it immediately and >telephone >the supplied number, reversing the charges if necessary. >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 8 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Rudy Timmerman Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 22:49:02 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Suitable technique Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Chris Writes: > kudos to GM Timmerman for > realizing what is not suitable for one person may, in > fact, be just what the doctor ordered for another > person. Hello Chris. Thank you for the compliment. As a big man, there are a number of techniques that do not suit me very well; however, early on in my training I noticed that some of these very techniques were used against me very effectively. So, I learned to appreciate the value of these techniques and to appreciate the old Masters who shared them with me. How could I do anything less? Sadly, I have also noticed that many Instructors are so full of themselves that they truly believe they know everything there is to know, including what is good for everyone else. Seems to me that they missed out on the one of the first things we all should learn... humility. Rudy --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Dcuster52@wmconnect.com Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 23:28:35 EDT Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] GM Timmerman on techniques To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have trained under GM Timmerman for a number of years and he has always insisted that you do not delete a technique. The technique is there for a reason, it might not work for you or you might not understand it but yet it has it's purpose or it wouldn't be there. GM Timmerman is very knowledgeable and his art of Kong Shin Bup is one of the best. If you ever get the chance to attend one of his seminars you will find it to be well worth the effort. Doug Custer --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 21:11:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Brooke Thomas To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] martial arts is as martial arts does Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I too follow The Ultimate Fighter series. It has been fairly routine to see a full minute of shadow boxing, followed by the defense against the shoot, stand 'em back up, clutch the back of the head and throw the knee, push against the cage while trying to block the knee, throw an elbow or two, and the attempt to leg sweep to go to the ground. If you do get them on the ground, no matter what position you are in, go for the ground-an-pound knockout. Recently it's gotten kind of boring as all the fighters are doing exactly the same thing. I haven't seen as many attempts at joint submissions as much as the hammerfist to the back of the head. The recent episode of the welterweights (where one was a bjj blackbelt and the other was a brawler a couple of episodes ago) was a bit of a surprise as the brawler won on heart but it was an ugly display of wildly swinging haymakers. I am guessing all these guys are training for the exact same type of fight...and that hasn't been real interesting this season. This last episode of heavy weights was awful...a guy who was awesome in tearing up training partners didn't have the heart/skills/endurance in the cage. Do you ever notice how The Ultimate Fighter show really lays on the footage of the guy who makes lots of noise about how good his skills are before a fight? He always loses. -Brooke Thomas --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest