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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. RE: Dan Numbers (Dana Vaillancourt) 2. Firemen (Brian Beach) 3. Re: Re: ITF / WTF (TKD HKD) 4. Re: Suitable technique (Christopher Spiller) 5. Re: GM Timmerman on Techniques (Kevin Janisse) 6. Re: martial arts is as martial arts does (Alan Jay Weiner) 7. website (Jye nigma) 8. RE: Firemen (PETER.MCDONALDSMITH@london-fire.gov.uk) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Dana Vaillancourt" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 04:48:09 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Dan Numbers Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To the best of my knowledge, Sgt. Herman Beal got his second dan while stationed in Korea with the Air Force and his instructor in Korea was Master John Chu. Master Beal left the club to return to NC once his tour of duty was over at Griffiss AFB and he was discharged. This was c. 1966-68. I received this information from one of his students he trained with in 1966. > >Herman Beal dan number #8908 This person was said to have trained under >Master >Kyo Sung (John) Chu although I can find no record of Master Chu teaching >up >in the Northern USA. IF anyone as some information that would be great. >Herman Beal was born in 1933 --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Brian Beach Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 01:24:20 -0400 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Firemen Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net My Best friend - best man at my wedding - is a fireman, I give him a hard time that all he does is clean toilets and watch cable TV on our tax dollar. He is also a martial artist, albeit Okinawan but I figure he's still ok. I'll never admit it to him but all y'all are true heros. Thanks for what you do. Can't figure this though he'll get back from a call and ring me up for recipes when he's cook for the night. I figure enough people have cookbooks when are y'all coming up with one. BTW only kick that I give him credit for is a front kick - guess I see where he gets the practice. On Oct 20, 2005, at 11:44 PM, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net wrote: > CUTE! how I love the digest! Oh and however said that we revert in > times in > times of stress. we had a fire in a second floor flat last night. I > had to > kick down 3 doors while wearing fairly restrictive fire gear, > breathing > apparatus and carrying a hose. when the fire was out and my > colleagues were > inspecting the flat they noted that my boot marks on the door were > right on > the locks of the internal doors. being a bit of a TKD evangelist I > told them > that it was all down to my TKD training. --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "TKD HKD" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 01:32:07 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Re: ITF / WTF Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Terry Sir, I got a big kick out of your post.I think the attitude you gave an example of is why some people refer to TKD as a "martial sport".I hate that label. My first instructor,who was ITF oriented, as strict and ornary as he was,was a superior fighter.He was a 6th Dan.He taught us to always keep our gaurd up,our hands up.He taught us that Taekwondo was a self defense where sparring was used as a tool to learn self defense.Point sparring and free sparring was done to teach quick reactions,to react,block and counter attacks,any kind of attack.It taught us that in a real self defense situation sometimes it is best to be the agressor,sometimes the defender,sometimes to leave openings on purpose to bait people in,not to telegraph attacks etc. etc. etc.I wouldnt want to fight my first instructor,sparring or on the street.He was so powerful,so quick,so agile.He was certainly not a martial sport,he was a warrior. Coming from this kind of early training the statement "you cant do that",seems ludicrous.Seeing people spar hands down seems ludicrous.I will have to admit that in tournament point sparring, punching to the head was not allowed.Only because it is too easy to punch to the head and the risk of injury with the adrenaline flowing in tournament sparring.When we free sparred in class it was allowed. Sincerely, TKD/HKD I had a similar experience back in the dark ages. I had just switched from TSD to TKD and was sparring a TKD dan. Each time I popped him in the head with a backfist he would say, "You can't do that". I'm thinking, what do you mean I can't do that, I just did. So I'd do it again. Again he'd say, "You can't do that". I'm thinking, the heck I can't, I just did, and I did it farily easily. :) Anyway after this went on for some time it was finally explained to me that I was breaking the TKD rules, and then "You can't do that" made more sense... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 08:23:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher Spiller To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Suitable technique Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net GM Timmerman said: >>Hello Chris. Thank you for the compliment.<< You're welcome. And trust me, it's *great* hearing someone of advanced rank and experience stating what you said. >>As a big man, there are a number of techniques that do not suit me very well; however, early on in my training I noticed that some of these very techniques were used against me very effectively. So, I learned to appreciate the value of these techniques and to appreciate the old Masters who shared them with me. How could I do anything less?<< Heh, I have the opposite problem as I stand at *just* 5' 6" (actually, I like to think that I'm normal height and everyone else suffers from gigantism - but I digress). I've had to work at getting maximum power generation from kicks and punches, as well as really working on using my center of gravity when engaging in throws and joint locks. I can't tell you the number of people I have trained with who had limbs like tree truncks. I always figured that techniques are like weapons, there's a different one for each job, the trick is figuring out which one fits for which situation and making sure it's actually in your arsenal. >>Sadly, I have also noticed that many Instructors are so full of themselves that they truly believe they know everything there is to know, including what is good for everyone else. Seems to me that they missed out on the one of the first things we all should learn... humility. Rudy<< Sometimes it seems like once people hit first dan they've "learned it all" but it's not until later that you begin to realize there might be more to MAs than what they thought. I think you are right on about the necessity of humility in this aspect of MA training, indeed, it's necessary in *every* aspect of training, imho. Taekwon, Chris __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Kevin Janisse" To: Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 08:46:56 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: GM Timmerman on Techniques Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have always enjoyed GM Timmermans play on techniques and the usefullness of the techniques in principle and application. I agree that many textbook techniques that are taught will not work for all sizes and shapes. The reason they should be taught is found in the principle embedded in the techniques. I have been fortunate enough to experience countless techniques performed by GM Timmerman and in reply to his statement that certain techniques do not work well for him....If you mean causing me to fly through air and bouncing of the walls and ground, does not work good for him, then I am fortunate they did not because he probably would of killed me! He has always had a knack of discovering the "how can I make it work for me" aspect. There are many styles and systems that have multiple variations of techniques and it is up to us to capture the essense of the technique whether it is a single strike kill or a wrap up grapple. There is no one who has done it all or seen it all so dig in and enjoy the buffet. Sincerely, Kevin Janisse --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Alan Jay Weiner To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] martial arts is as martial arts does Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 13:45:27 -0400 Organization: Technology 21 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Add me to the "The Ultimate Fighter" disappointed list. Last season was tolerable - this season is pretty boring. (The final fight last season was phenomenal - I really liked Forrest Griffin.) Mixed Martial Arts? All I see is a bunch of clutching each other, waiting and sucking wind, someone finally goes down, and the other wails away like a bully in a schoolyard. Where's the skill in that? Haven't even seen any submissions - just mindless bash-bash-bash. (are pressure points forbidden? why isn't anyone using them to get out from under? seems to me they should at least work sometimes, but I don't even see any attempts) I can't think of a single thing I've seen that made me think "I need to learn that!" - that's sure not because I'm so knowledgeable! And how did Mike (?) ever get on the show - it was embarrassing watching him! He was worse than me at *my* worst! If these guys are the Ultimate, I'm glad they're not defending my kingdom. I'll admit I probably wouldn't do well going up against them - at 50 I don't have the stamina they do - I'll admit that they are in darn good shape. And I'm not so sure I'd like being bludgeoned like that... But their fighting skills are pretty disappointing. Black belts? Maybe from the Close Cover Before Striking school of karate... How many times has one person thrown a punch - and the other backs up? Almost every time! I don't think I've seen anyone working angles at all. I've seen very few flurries - mostly one punch or maybe two. Very little counterstriking. Haven't seen any front kicks that I can remember - or am I stupid thinking that a good solid front kick might just work against a punch... (and then follow it up - don't just stand there!) For that matter, how many have stumbled or fallen after throwing a kick? Why isn't anyone kicking the legs Muay Thai style? I worked out with a friend who kept kicking my inside thigh - caught the nerve beautifully each time. Very quickly I could barely move. (fun - I learned some good stuff!) As Sean Connery said in The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, "I'm waiting to be impressed." - Al Weiner - --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 11:09:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net, itf-taekwondo@yahoogroups.com Subject: [The_Dojang] website Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net http://www.mawashi.net/index.asp --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. --__--__-- Message: 8 Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Firemen Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 21:12:10 +0100 From: To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Thank you for your remarks. My best kick is the front kick, closely followed by yop chagi. I suppose like a self-defence situation you cannot always anticipate what you may be called on to. So training is essential as is mental readiness. Stay safe every one Regards, Pete -----Original Message----- From: Brian Beach [mailto:brian@jinpalhapkidodc.com] Sent: 21 October 2005 06:24 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Firemen My Best friend - best man at my wedding - is a fireman, I give him a hard time that all he does is clean toilets and watch cable TV on our tax dollar. He is also a martial artist, albeit Okinawan but I figure he's still ok. I'll never admit it to him but all y'all are true heros. Thanks for what you do. Can't figure this though he'll get back from a call and ring me up for recipes when he's cook for the night. I figure enough people have cookbooks when are y'all coming up with one. BTW only kick that I give him credit for is a front kick - guess I see where he gets the practice. On Oct 20, 2005, at 11:44 PM, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net wrote: > CUTE! how I love the digest! Oh and however said that we revert in > times in > times of stress. we had a fire in a second floor flat last night. I > had to > kick down 3 doors while wearing fairly restrictive fire gear, > breathing > apparatus and carrying a hose. when the fire was out and my > colleagues were > inspecting the flat they noted that my boot marks on the door were > right on > the locks of the internal doors. being a bit of a TKD evangelist I > told them > that it was all down to my TKD training. _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang **************************************************************************** SMOKE ALARMS SAVE LIVES Go to London Fire at www.london-fire.gov.uk/firesafety This email is confidential to the addressee only. If you do not believe that you are the intended addressee, do not use, pass on or copy it in any way. 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