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WKF (jakskru) 7. 48 hrs in Seoul (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "jakskru" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] what I think Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 13:07:15 -0400 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net there is just one thing i have noticed about most mma fighters...and thats the fact that most are very sloppy, especially when kicking. these guys on the ultimate fighter look like "white belt" mma fighters, and i say that because i have seen many, many ufc, pride, etc. fights and there are actually some tough fighters out there...most of those have been doing it for a few years, and you can spot the differences in how they fight versus the newbies on the tv show. as for the sloppiness part, i am guessing that is because of two things...first, most come from bjj backgrounds, and only have gotten a cursory training in stand up fighting. second, since most of the fighters are training in ten types of fighting skills at once, they never get the base that you get from studying one art (outside of bjj), and then getting some cross-training skills. IMHO ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael tomlinson" To: Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 2:16 PM Subject: [The_Dojang] what I think > You know I have given this a lot of thought over the years...you are > right...when push comes to shove it seems that people "revert" to a certain > level of techniques...there are the exceptions to the rules but I know > exactly where you are coming from. --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "jakskru" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: The_Dojang digest, HapKiDo curriculum Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 13:15:35 -0400 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net thank you for the reply...from what i can see you teach situationally, and that was how i started learning...when teaching/learning like this the technique is explained/ broken down as needed and the various parts can be practiced on their own. from what i can tell, the good point is that you get it in your head when to use the technique, so your reaction time to being grabbed, held, or attacked is lessened. the drawback is that it takes a little longer to get the actual mastery of the technique. when it is done the opposite way,i.e. practicing the technique over and over and then getting the application(s) for its use, the mastery comes sooner, but the reaction time of responding to the attack takes longer to develop. just my opinion. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raymond Navarro" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 11:00 PM Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: The_Dojang digest, HapKiDo curriculum > Hi Jakskru and the rest too, be blessed. > > I am Ramon Navarro, HapKiDo SabomNim 4th Dan and been teaching Sonmg Moo > Kwan HapKiDo for 28 years. HapKiDo is no real taboo but you will not get > to know about this art unless you had the oportunity to live it. There > are 2 types of HapKiDo basically there is watered HapKiDo and real rooted > HapKiDo. Not all real rooted HapKiDo are as complete and pure as they can > be. You see, a lot of HapKiDo today being thought any were is cut down > from the full spectrum that it could cover if it is complete. --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "jakskru" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] teaching someone to learn Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 13:32:26 -0400 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net thanks for the reply, sorry the response took so long... > IMHO it is quite simple..teaching anything involves a sequence of strands, > one leading into the next etc. etc....when it comes to a Hapkido > technique,,.first you have to learn the stepping the mechanics and moves and > understand the hows and whys and pains and breaking points...then you learn > to apply the same technique from different attacks thrown at you and that > helps you with your movement i agree,this method does work, but the same can be done from situational learning...if a student doesnt understand the technique during the application, it can be broken down at that point. >speed and muscle memory...which by the way > doesn't actually exist...there is no such thing as muscle memory...it is > actually mind memory which activates your muscles thanks for the semantics, lol. but when i say muscle memory, i am refering to the minds control of the reaction of the muscles... >dudes learning is learning,, basically > whatever the physical activity involved...think of it this way...when you > first learned to drive did your first encounter with driving a car involve > you "situationally" being thrown onto the highway doing 70 miles an hour > before you slowly understood what a brake pedal was, what a steering wheel > felt and worked like...etc.... IF you teach situation first IMHO you have no > concept of how to actually teach physical movement and create a well rounded > and successful learning curve ok, to use your analogy of driving....you are right, you dont get stuck into a speeding vehicle to learn to drive, but you cant sit on the couch with a sesame street steering wheel (the one with elmo on it!) and a brake pedal either. you have to get in the car, with a qualified instructor to show you what to do. and just like learning technique situationally, when you drive this way you drive slow at first (god i hate getting behind student drivers) and then gradually pick up the pace. there is alot to be said for both ways of training, so i guess, thanks to the people that got my noodle working on this topic, neither way is better, just different---as long as you get to the same result. thanks all who took the time to reply! --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 11:03:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] from another group: what I think Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Get some internal training as well. I here in Florida for a few days toeing the scratch with someone who used to break bones for a living when it was time for someone to go. He came through 3 external styles and the military. His father did time in the Army, Air force and Marines. Must have had a tough time coming up with a mutha like that. He used to bounce back in the days when lawsuits weren't common. Nothing to write home about however....ehee, hee, hee! Nah mean! I said it before and I'll say it again.... sensitivity, rooting and nuetralizing is everything after you've taken your lumps over the years and come to understand power over stregnth. Don't stay in kindegarden learn the real Kung Fu. Just visited an old time San Soo school as well. Good to see some with the goods not just mixing stuff. Lackluster Palm --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "jakskru" To: Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 17:05:36 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] WKF Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net i was wondering what anyone thought of the World Ki Do Federation? i would prefer evaluations, not "that S.O.B. owes me money" type responses> thanks in advance... --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 17:41:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] 48 hrs in Seoul Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Travel mag idea for if you only have 48 hours to spend in Seoul... http://travel.independent.co.uk/mideastandasia/asia/article295185.ece Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. 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