Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 19:50:21 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 12 #434 - 12 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Early years vs now (Gladewater SooBahkDo) 2. Training extras (Jye nigma) 3. DVD review (J R Hilland) 4. RE: Resistance Stretching? (Martin Von Cannon) 5. Re: so why does choi get all the credit? (Manuel Maldonado) 6. Re. PNF stretching (Bob Banham) 7. RE: martial arts is as martial arts does (PETER.MCDONALDSMITH@london-fire.gov.uk) 8. RE: Resistance stretching (Howard Spivey) 9. Re: Training extras (ryanmcpherson@bellsouth.net) 10. Re: Resistance Stretching? (Alan Jay Weiner) 11. RE: martial arts is as martial arts does (michael tomlinson) 12. ITF Masters Seminar (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: "the_dojang" Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 11:43:51 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] Early years vs now Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I think it is funny sometimes, the reaction people have to the UFC. Most people hear know I am a loyal member of the US Soo Bahk Do Moo Duk Kwan Federation Inc, and that I teach a traditional school, however before joining the Moo DUk Kwan I trained in Kung Fu for a while, and then in WTF TKD for some time. I also did some full contact (PKA) Kickboxing. These experiance are why I am loyal to the Moo Duk Kwan. I enjoy the history, the philosophies, the structure, as well as the physical techniques. Then about 15 years ago I began training in Jujitsu. Although I stayed loyal to the Moo Duk Kwan I trained very hard in the technical aspects of the Jujitsu art. I looked at it as an expansion of my understanding in the area of Ho Sin Sool. This was before the UFC existed. I can tell you from experiance that unless you have experianced full contact fighting, and you have learned to use grappling well experiancing it with true resistance, and you have developed a creditable understanding of a stand up method. you are NOT well rounded. The UFC has opened the eyes of so many people. If you train for recreation at the local McDojang, and what you want from training is fitness, and fun activities for your kids I can respect that The problem I see is a person taking a particlar style, like Hapkido, Soo Bahk Do, Tae Kwon Do, Aikido, or any other for 4/5 years. They get a Black belt (Cho Dan = begining level) and believe they can defend themselves. The truth is, If they were attacked on the street they would most likley forget their training and rely on what comes natural, or they would try their techniques, and they would not work, because they are not used to training with that kind of reality. People react differant when they are afraid of getting injured. This is why full contact is a good experiance. It lets you overcome the fear of getting hit and it teaches you how to deal with it when you do get hit. In either result they get hurt. A good example is: In the UFC many people say I am a black belt in TKD yet you see nothing that resembles TKD when they fight in the UFC. The only thing you see stay somewhat traditional in the heat of the battle is Jujitsu. In addition IMHO students should be learning defence of, and ability with a short knife, and a bong (pool stick, 2x4, tree brach) is important training. I also recommend all adult members seek a quality handgun school and get certified to carry. I do not teach fighters, and I carefully watch and assure students don't get parinoid, but I do try to assure they are all prepared for any situation and don't have a false since of security. JCGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 09:49:57 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma To: itf-taekwondo@yahoogroups.com, the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Training extras Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have a few questions about your training. Does anyone video tape their martial arts training? Do you do your training indoors only? Do you train to music? if so, what kind of music? Jye --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "J R Hilland" To: Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 12:26:34 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] DVD review Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have been out of touch with the digital world for a while due to some other problems, but I would like to share with you my thoughts on a new hapkido DVD. Several days ago I received the hapkido DVD made in Austin by Master Jason Thomas, featuring our own Master J. R. West. Although Master West is my teacher, a DVD is either bad or good. Not just the technique but the quality of the video and how the techniques are described. I still cringe when I remember seeing Shaw's first tape when he said there is no balance break in hapkido, something we consider the first principle of basic motion (sorry, his comment still bothers me). I am only 1/2 way through the DVD as I am hitting rewind allot and have already seen variations of techniques I have not seen before and I have been doing this 31 years. I am like a child in a candy store when I see something new. With all the bad hapkido videos and DVD's out on the market (and I have a unused collection of the bad ones) it is refreshing to see high quality DVD. I am obviously bias as Master West is my teacher, this is by choice. He is very relaxed and comfortable in the setting and displays his many decades of experience of someone who is in their 60's and started hapkido during the Vietnam war (he can still easily walk the talk). He also holds the first hapkido chodan issued to an American by the Daehan Kidowhe (Dr. Kimm told me that). Sorry for the crass commercial message, but with all the bad information on hapkido out in the world and 'get a dan quick schemes if you buy my video series or attend my seminar', it is refreshing to see someone passing on the tradition of technique and not rank. Don't expect any filler, i.e.: warm-ups, stretching, falls, etc., all the stuff you practice daily in the dojang anyway. Just technique. With shipping, the total was $42.94 and as shipping was only 2.99 up here in the artic tundra, that is a good deal for anyone who practices, teaches or is just interested in hapkido. If you are just interested in hapkido rank, there are many people who will sell you one if you attend their seminar or throw them money for a bad video series. If you are interested in sound technique, this DVD is a must for your knowledge base. http://www.customflix.com/Store/ShowEStore.jsp?id=207282 Jere R. Hilland, Fargo, ND www.hapkidoselfdefense.com --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 14:06:21 -0800 From: Martin Von Cannon To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Resistance Stretching? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I personally have found this way more helpfull than anything else on stretching. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0936070226/103-7635989-6910233? v=glance&n=283155&n=507846&s=books&v=glance Has stretching routines for various sports to include karate. Explains how to vary the stretches and what not. -- - Martin E. Von Cannon Tacoma Dojang Instructor Quoting Rick Clark : > There is a lot of information on PNF(proprioceptive neuromuscular > facilitation) stretching out on the web. From what I have read it is > the fastest and safest way to increase flexibility. > > Rick Clark "Always forgive your enemies - nothing annoys them so > much." - Oscar Wilde > > > www.ao-denkou-kai.org > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Steve Roberts [mailto:steverts@sbcglobal.net] > >Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 10:05 AM > >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >Subject: [The_Dojang] Resistance Stretching? > > > > > >Anybody here familiar with the approach to stretching > >described in the book: The Genius of Flexibility" by > >Robert Cooley? > >He also has a website that describes his techniques: > >http://www.meridianstretching.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Manuel Maldonado" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 18:34:33 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: so why does choi get all the credit? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net  As we say in the military RHIP Rank Has It's Priviledges. I wasnt there or even care Im just thank ful that Taekwon-Do is here for all of us to enjoy. Furthermore "our Martial Art" is to us who practice it the Best. Thank God for Taekwon-Do. Tae Kwon Mr. Manuel Maldonado A-5-173 ITF --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Bob Banham" To: Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 13:16:28 -0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re. PNF stretching Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net We have used PNF stretching at Chilsong for around 20 years and it is probably the singularly most effective method there is. Just be careful as it is easy to severely damage students if you don't do it right. Bob Banham --__--__-- Message: 7 Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] martial arts is as martial arts does Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 14:22:34 -0000 From: To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jye I think you are right about the art taken away from the UFC. Have any of you seen k1 there is a lot of art going on there and k1 mma which again I feel has a great deal more art to it. Pete RULDS2? -----Original Message----- From: Jye nigma [mailto:kingjye@yahoo.com] Sent: 30 October 2005 15:11 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] martial arts is as martial arts does I watched the UFC last night on SPIKE....WHoa...A guy from Canada absolutely destroyed a grappler with a jumping spinning back kick! It sucker landed perfectly on the grapplers right side on the ribs...after that it was sooooooo obvious that the grappler was seriously wounded...but guess what followed? a flying knee to the chest, and then a few punches to the face, then the fight was over. Now the brother from Canada must have been a thai boxer or something because he almost pulled off a jumping roundhouse kick to the grapplers head...lol. But you could see ever time he punch the grappler, those punches were hurtin the grappler! Then the grand finale....two guys one 6'8 and the other 6'3 got into it. Now the shorter of the 2 was a grappler I think, I'm no sure what the taller guy was. anyhow, 3 times the grappler took hold of this guy and 3 times the guy got out of it...and then it came....POW! the grappler got punched in the face and went down...and while he was already out for the count....the guy...the the beast of a man at a whoping 6'8 runs and jumps down on the guy who's already layed out and hits him with a punch to the face....BUT the thing is, he had his total 238+lbs behind that initial punch....OUCH! But man you could see as he hit the guy whos head was on the floor, it would bounced off the floor and back on to it...man that was terrible! Even though it's a good show for entertainment I still think it takes the art away from the martial arts. What's next Gladiators, where you see guys fighting animals? Jye --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang **************************************************************************** SMOKE ALARMS SAVE LIVES Go to London Fire at www.london-fire.gov.uk/firesafety This email is confidential to the addressee only. If you do not believe that you are the intended addressee, do not use, pass on or copy it in any way. If you have received it in error, please delete it immediately and telephone the supplied number, reversing the charges if necessary. --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Howard Spivey" To: Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:14:31 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Resistance stretching Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Steve, This sure looks like isometric or PNF stretching, which you probably know has been around for a long time. Notice how the guy doing the hamstring stretch on the website is holding his leg immobile with his foot up over his head, while he exerts downward force with his foot against his hands - that's the essence of isometric stretching. The method definitely works, provided you approach it with sensible caution, as you would any intensive strength exercise. imo Tom Kurz's book, "Stretching Scientifically", is still the best source available on the whole subject, and it's very reasonably priced. Kurz goes into all of the physiological details of what's going on when you do isometric and PNF stretching, gives plenty of examples of specific stretches and explains how to work this type of stretching into your general workouts. Regards, Howard "Anybody here familiar with the approach to stretching described in the book: The Genius of Flexibility" by Robert Cooley? He also has a website that describes his techniques: http://www.meridianstretching.com It's quite opposite of the way many of us approach stretching. An interesting read. I'd love to hear opinions..." --__--__-- Message: 9 From: To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Training extras Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:17:20 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I train mostly indoors. But if you consider jogging and running part of training as I sometimes do, then I would say I'm almost equal. I do not video my training. In my classes, the instructor will use music during some parts of class like warm ups, kicking drills...the faster paced parts of training. -Ryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jye nigma" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 12:49 PM Subject: [The_Dojang] Training extras >I have a few questions about your training. > > Does anyone video tape their martial arts training? > > Do you do your training indoors only? > > Do you train to music? if so, what kind of music? > > Jye > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Alan Jay Weiner To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Resistance Stretching? Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 20:23:26 -0500 Organization: Technology 21 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >There is a lot of information on PNF(proprioceptive neuromuscular >facilitation) stretching out on the web. From what I have read it is >the fastest and safest way to increase flexibility. I found this document quite helpful - discusses how muscles work, types of stretching, and a lot about PNF: http://www.cmcrossroads.com/bradapp/docs/rec/stretching/ "Stretching and Flexibility - Everything you never wanted to know" by Brad Appleton - Al - -- -- Alan Weiner -- alan@ajw.com -- http://www.ajw.com Palm OS Certified Developer --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] martial arts is as martial arts does Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 03:19:57 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net the art of the UFC and other MMA's fighting is to survive, win, and not get hurt...in actual fighting there is no art IMHO, there is only survival and health... Michael Tomlinson --__--__-- Message: 12 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 20:19:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] ITF Masters Seminar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Forwarding. I assume 2005 is a typo... Ray ---------------------------------------------------------- Dear Instructors and Masters: Attached is all the information for next years Masters Seminar set for April 15, 2005. This will prove to be another great course taught by the finest ITF instructors. There will be a Dan and Upper Dan testing on Friday evening April 14, 2005. All ITF members who have met all the requirements for testing are welcome to apply for testing. The testing Board will host two-thirds of the ITF Promotional Committee (Master Wheatley & Master Nunez) and ITF Secretary General Master Trevor Nicholls. All Instructor testing for 4th Dan and above must submit there application complete with thesis 4 months prior to April 14, 2005. Respectfully Dr. John Szostek USITF FEE INFORMATION $75 pre-registered and $85 at the door To: Dr. John Szostek, IV Dan NORRISTOWN TAEKWON-DO Norristown Police Athletic League Building 1101 Harding Boulevard Norristown, Pa. 19401 610-564-2060 Saturday April 15, 2006 9AM-5PM Please mail all checks payable to John Szostek. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest