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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Teaching Methodology (Gordon) 2. article on hapkido from an aikido view point (J R Hilland) 3. Organization Check (Greenbrier Tae Kwon Do Academy) 4. RE: article on hapkido from an aikido view point (michael tomlinson) 5. Re: Teaching Methodology (Martin Von Cannon) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Gordon" To: Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 11:47:27 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Teaching Methodology Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Martin E. Von Cannon submitted: http://www.kerwinbenson.com/martial_arts_books.html Thank you for the website. Looks like my original instructor collar test. Leadership, philosophy, introspection and attention to detail. Do you know of any other sites? Gordon Okerstrom --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "J R Hilland" To: Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 12:27:21 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] article on hapkido from an aikido view point Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I had previously sent a link of an interesting viewpoint of hapkido and hapkido politics from the viewpoint of an aikido teacher. I wish I had saved the article, as it is no longer in the aikido journal archives. So I wrote the site owner, his response was: "Sir, Thank you very much for writing. Ellis asked me to take the article down. You can buy the book containing the article at ellisamdur.com. Regards, Stanley Pranin." Obviously, I am not going to buy the book. But, in the article, it was interesting to note how Ellis was amazed that hapkido has such systems, styles and organizations that handed out dan rank at all levels without the normal methods of earning a rank found in EVERY other martial art. But when he commented on those who really had the rank in hapkido and earned the rank just as in any other martial art, he noticed a distinct difference in all manners of technique (just as we all have). Although he was amazed that people would hand out and even knowing better, take dan rank in hapkido. His viewpoint gave food for thought on the vastly demoralization of main stream hapkido due to its recent popularity and dare I say, abuse. He did however, clearly show distinction between time honored traditional hapkido and what many are coining modern hapkido. In summary, he recognized that hapkido as an art is out there and is just not as common as the yellow pages suggest, in addition, he noticed the similarities between senior hapkidoin, aikidoka, and daitoryu practitioners. When I am greatly disappointed in the state of hapkido shown in articles such as the one Ellis wrote, I am encouraged by the words of Master Rick Fine in his article about choosing a martial art school when he states: "So who is worth their salt, and who is a charlatan? How long has the instructor been practicing and teaching a particular art? Never mind his belt: Tenure is different from rank. Schools have different ranking standards that may be difficult to compare, but experience can be counted in years for everyone, irrespective of rank. Of course, tenure must then be correlated with lineage to assess the depth of someone's experience. At the opposite extreme, be wary of anyone purporting to hold high rank in more arts than you can count. Ask him how long he studied each of those arts to achieve such rank. Unless his name is Methuselah, chances are he's merely collecting belts and certificates from phony organizations. Besides, how far down the road could he travel by constantly zigzagging between paths?" Just some thoughts.... Jere R. Hilland, Fargo ND www.HapkidoSelfDefense.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Greenbrier Tae Kwon Do Academy" To: "Dojang Digest" Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 13:40:58 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Organization Check Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Has anyone heard of the United Federation of Taekwondo Instructors before? If so, does anyone have a link to their site if it exists or have any other information about them? Are they credible? Thank you. James Morgan GTKDA Lewisburg, WV --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] article on hapkido from an aikido view point Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 19:14:14 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jere, I totally agree with you bro...very good stuff...in todays climate a black belt just don't mean what it used to. But when you see someone on the mat do their thing then you kind of don't need to know their belt rank because IF you have any experience in Hapkido you know what to look for. Once you are on the mat it's hard to fool a journeyman. I also scratch my head when I see people's bio and it says stuff like : black belt in hapkido, wing chun, bjj, arnis, kali, judo,,,etc.... I think...how old is this dude and why would you need all that??? Usually the dude is younger than me so I think yeah right here's another one....Michael Tomlinson >From: "J R Hilland" >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: >Subject: [The_Dojang] article on hapkido from an aikido view point >Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 12:27:21 -0600 > >I had previously sent a link of an interesting viewpoint of hapkido and >hapkido politics from the viewpoint of an aikido teacher. I wish I had >saved >the article, as it is no longer in the aikido journal archives. So I wrote >the site owner, his response was: "Sir, Thank you very much for writing. >Ellis asked me to take the article down. You can buy the book containing >the >article at ellisamdur.com. Regards, Stanley Pranin." Obviously, I am not >going to buy the book. But, in the article, it was interesting to note how >Ellis was amazed that hapkido has such systems, styles and organizations >that handed out dan rank at all levels without the normal methods of >earning >a rank found in EVERY other martial art. But when he commented on those who >really had the rank in hapkido and earned the rank just as in any other >martial art, he noticed a distinct difference in all manners of technique >(just as we all have). Although he was amazed that people would hand out >and >even knowing better, take dan rank in hapkido. His viewpoint gave food for >thought on the vastly demoralization of main stream hapkido due to its >recent popularity and dare I say, abuse. He did however, clearly show >distinction between time honored traditional hapkido and what many are >coining modern hapkido. In summary, he recognized that hapkido as an art is >out there and is just not as common as the yellow pages suggest, in >addition, he noticed the similarities between senior hapkidoin, aikidoka, >and daitoryu practitioners. > >When I am greatly disappointed in the state of hapkido shown in articles >such as the one Ellis wrote, I am encouraged by the words of Master Rick >Fine in his article about choosing a martial art school when he states: "So >who is worth their salt, and who is a charlatan? How long has the >instructor >been practicing and teaching a particular art? Never mind his belt: Tenure >is different from rank. Schools have different ranking standards that may >be >difficult to compare, but experience can be counted in years for everyone, >irrespective of rank. Of course, tenure must then be correlated with >lineage >to assess the depth of someone's experience. At the opposite extreme, be >wary of anyone purporting to hold high rank in more arts than you can >count. >Ask him how long he studied each of those arts to achieve such rank. Unless >his name is Methuselah, chances are he's merely collecting belts and >certificates from phony organizations. Besides, how far down the road could >he travel by constantly zigzagging between paths?" > >Just some thoughts.... >Jere R. Hilland, Fargo ND >www.HapkidoSelfDefense.com >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 11:43:53 -0800 From: Martin Von Cannon To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Teaching Methodology Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Quoting Gordon : There is MATA, but it is more business than philosphy. MATA can be reached at http://www.martialartsteachers.com . Otherwise I do not know of any. - Martin E. Von Cannon Tacoma Dojang Instructor > Martin E. Von Cannon submitted: > > > > http://www.kerwinbenson.com/martial_arts_books.html > > > > > > Thank you for the website. Looks like my original instructor collar test. > Leadership, philosophy, introspection and attention to detail. Do you know > of any other sites? > > Gordon Okerstrom --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest