Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 03:01:21 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 12 #444 - 4 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: several items (aburrese@aol.com) 2. RE: The Challenge (Stovall, Craig) 3. RE: Re: several items (michael tomlinson) 4. re: korean vs. chinese internal power development (Wes Heaps) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 16:35:09 -0500 From: aburrese@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: several items Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jere writes: He honestly wanted to know if the hapkido black belt video program advertised in tkd times would be worth it. My response was simply, "do you, or would you train in taekwondo that way?>> I would never train this way in the martial arts...but I have to admit....I have viewed a couple of videos about the Kama Sutra that did seem to help my "technique" out a bit!!!! LOL Michael Tomlinson **************************** While I am a proponent of learning from videos to supplement one's training, I have to admit, the practice sessions with the Kama Sutra would be more enjoyable. (or at least a lot less painfull... ) LOL Seriously, with regards to videos and DVDs, I obviously find some worth in them since I have done some and am in the works on some new ones. Good instructional videos, not just demonstrations, can help a person learn. That is, IF the person actually gets with a training partner and practices the techniques, etc. In addition, videos can benefit an experienced martial artist better than a beginner. If you have a good foundation, you can see a technique in a video and learn it, especially if it is just a variation of something you already know. Your good foundation lets you feel the technique. You should know if you are in balance, using proper body mechanics, etc. The complete novice will have difficulty with this and this is why it is so important to get the basics and the foundation from a good instructor. I watch videos for a couple reasons. Sometimes I watch them just to learn about other styles. Note I say about other styles, not learn other styles. I like to have the familiarity with different styles and know about them in a more academic manner. Other videos I use to borrow things from to incorporate into my training. There may be a drill, or variation of a technique that is a bit different than we do in HKD and I incorporate it if I like it. I may do this with other HKD products, and see how other instructors teach similar techniques, or the same techniques with small variations, or I may borrow from other arts like Jujitsu and look at the variations they use. This is the same thing I do when I attend classes or seminars with other styles. I do this to grow personally, and to become a better instructor and martial artist over all. But I don't want rank in those other styles, after all, I've only touched upon them and maybe borrowed just a little bit to make my own techniques better or to know different ways to achieve the same thing. Yours in Training, Alain P.S. - Mike - which Kama Sutra videos are the best? lol www.burrese.com --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 15:45:32 -0600 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: The Challenge Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<>> Crap!!! I thought we had a fight on our hands. Don't fake me out like that! Oh well...I was gonna tell ya to snort about five ammonia capsules and hit him with a flying knee Ong Bak style. --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: several items Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 02:25:42 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net You are right Alain and I agree with you bro, I do watch martial arts videos also and I actually can get some good stuff out of them mainly because it ain't my first rodeo...and I think that is the main thing...IF you are buying videos like Jere mentioned: to actually learn the martial art from the ground up with hardly any prior training...then you are what we down here in Florida would call a poser....a derogatory term used to identify someone who has all the surf wear and sunglasses but never actually gets in the water... same thing IMHO...videos are actually good if you have a strong foundation in the art or conceptual knowledge of the art...for instance...and I know Alain and Jere can do this also...I can watch a jujitsu video or grappling video and "get it" because the spill over knowledge from Hapkido is basically the same venue....BUT...if I watch a Capoeria video...well that's gonna stretch it for me...I think it is the same way with a TKD guy who is watching a Hapkido video...a TKD guy is not getting the spill over concepts of Hapkido because joint locking and throwing movements are NOT in his basic knowledge base...same with a hard style karate guy...no matter how many times someone tells you that it is all hidden in the secret moves of the kata... and even though I watch these videos and enjoy them I am NEVER thinking about getting a black belt in that style from the videos....poser bait again IMO if you are doing this....... now for the question of which kama sutra videos are the best....well I will have to watch them ALL before I can make a valid recommendation!!! Oh by the way...I am definately not a poser when it comes to the kama sutra videos!!! LOL...got to be in the game baby!!! Michael Tomlinson >From: aburrese@aol.com >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: several items >Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 16:35:09 -0500 > >Jere writes: > >He honestly wanted to know if the >hapkido black belt video program advertised in tkd times would be worth it. >My response was simply, "do you, or would you train in taekwondo that >way?>> > >I would never train this way in the martial arts...but I have to admit....I >have viewed a couple of videos about the Kama Sutra that did seem to help >my >"technique" out a bit!!!! LOL > > Michael Tomlinson > >**************************** > >While I am a proponent of learning from videos to supplement one's >training, I have to admit, the practice sessions with the Kama Sutra would >be more enjoyable. (or at least a lot less painfull... ) LOL > >Seriously, with regards to videos and DVDs, I obviously find some worth in >them since I have done some and am in the works on some new ones. Good >instructional videos, not just demonstrations, can help a person learn. >That is, IF the person actually gets with a training partner and practices >the techniques, etc. In addition, videos can benefit an experienced >martial artist better than a beginner. If you have a good foundation, you >can see a technique in a video and learn it, especially if it is just a >variation of something you already know. Your good foundation lets you >feel the technique. You should know if you are in balance, using proper >body mechanics, etc. The complete novice will have difficulty with this >and this is why it is so important to get the basics and the foundation >from a good instructor. > >I watch videos for a couple reasons. Sometimes I watch them just to learn >about other styles. Note I say about other styles, not learn other styles. > I like to have the familiarity with different styles and know about them >in a more academic manner. Other videos I use to borrow things from to >incorporate into my training. There may be a drill, or variation of a >technique that is a bit different than we do in HKD and I incorporate it if >I like it. I may do this with other HKD products, and see how other >instructors teach similar techniques, or the same techniques with small >variations, or I may borrow from other arts like Jujitsu and look at the >variations they use. This is the same thing I do when I attend classes or >seminars with other styles. I do this to grow personally, and to become a >better instructor and martial artist over all. But I don't want rank in >those other styles, after all, I've only touched upon them and maybe >borrowed just a little bit to make my own techniques better or to know >different ways to achieve the same thing. > >Yours in Training, >Alain > >P.S. - Mike - which Kama Sutra videos are the best? lol > >www.burrese.com >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 20:13:47 -0800 (PST) From: Wes Heaps To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] re: korean vs. chinese internal power development Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net 1. the Chinese tend to be more passive in their development,(they usually don't do activity with their Ki training) as versus the Korean Ki training is more active physically. 2.the way we disperse the Ki is also different. the Chinese usually stomp their foot on the floor really hard to make the Ki move throughout the body, vs. Korean martial artist usually Ki AP or yell to disperse it. these are just some of the differences in short version of what my instructor(Master Barry Harmon of KSW)told me when i asked. there isn't really alot of books (creditable books)out their that discuss Ki or the development of it. I would find the nearest acupuncture college near u and ask them for more details. maybe they might be able to help u. (also maybe the local kungfu or taichi center close to u. __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest