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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Ellis Amdur & Hapkido (Burdick, Dakin Robert) 2. Re: Working in the USA (Jye nigma) 3. Atco man (Ray) 4. Re: Working in the USA (Ray) 5. RE: Coming to the US to teach TKD (Howard Spivey) 6. Jang Lee Hwang (Jye nigma) 7. ever see this video? (Jye nigma) 8. whang in-sik (Jye nigma) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 07:02:23 -0500 From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Ellis Amdur & Hapkido Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jere Hilland wrote: >Dakin, the title to the article was " Conversation with Daito-ryu's Other Child". Thanks Jere. Using Google I was able to find a cache of the article. Ellis is talking about hapkido from what he has seen in James Garrison's Ju Sool Kwan. He says, "if one took the video, and erased the lead-in techniques of kicks, blocks and punches, and changed the clothing of the participants to Japanese-style keiko gi and hakama, then the remaining techniques would look like an extremely rugged form of aikido." He also adds: "For those in the aikido world troubled by what they see as aikido's insufficiencies as a system of hand-to-hand combat, hapkido offers the other side of the mirror. " That's a great way of putting it. I said basically the same thing about aikido in hapkido class last week. My point was that hapkido people are very good about making the locks hurt, and that aikido people are very good at escaping that pain. Christopher Spiller wrote: >There are no chapters with such a title in either _Dueling with O-Sensei_ or _Old School_ so I assume it will appear in a forthcoming publication. Ok, I'll watch for it then. I wrote: >It sounds like he was espousing the usual koryu view that if it ain't koryu, it ain't real. Christopher replied: >No, this is inaccurate. Amdur has rarely espoused such a view that I have seen. Yes, you're right. I just reread his article "Koryu meets the West" in Koryu Bujutsu, and wondered why I had forgotten that article. It is one of my favorites on Koryu, in that it advocates that Koryu must be constantly tested, even changed, in order to remain true budo. That includes changes based on the context one finds oneself in. Also in that article is a discussion of trying to convince one's students that one could have hurt them in practice, and that they should therefore change what it is they were doing. That resonated with me right now. My process if a student has a full cup to just point that they might need to empty their cup a bit, and not to teach them until they do so. Ellis seems to give them a warning and then hurts them if need be next practice. I don't do that, because I'm unwilling to hurt a student. I've seen it done both ways. I've seen an instructor hurt a student, and it was the right thing to do, because it was painful but not injurious, and the student learned, fast. I've also seen an instructor hurt a student, and it was the wrong thing to do, because it was injurious and unnecessary, and done to prove a point, largely about the instructor's pride. The problem with my method is that often the student leaves thinking "Gosh I AM better than him and now I can go teach this stuff." Ellis talks about finding the "right" student, the one who will get it, the one who is just like us. I guess I have that same problem, only my "right" student is just a little different than Ellis's. In the meantime, I guess all I can do is practice the way, show bits of it to those ready to learn, and hope a couple of my students get it. I guess I'm luckier than most -- I can actually point to a couple guys and say, "See, they're better than me now." And now I can learn from THEM. Yours in the arts, Dakin dakinburdick@yahoo.com [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 07:18:52 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Working in the USA To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net oh man that was just wrong...lol. I'd say if the guy wants to come to America and teach then come and teach. jye masterm1 wrote: we have enough taekwondo instructors here. good luck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edmund T" To: Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 10:57 PM Subject: [The_Dojang] Working in the USA > I have sent this to this mailing list before but nobody actually replied. So > here it goes again. > > Hi all, > > > > I am Edmund and I am from Singapore. > > > > I am curious as to how much a taekwondo instructor in the USA can earn. I > > have long thought of migrating to the USA and in the event I fail to secure > > a job, I decided that I would not mind being a taekwondo instructor. > > > > I would appreciate if any of you guys can share with me your thoughts on > > the issues below. > > > > 1. I am Chinese. I am aware that glass ceilings for foreigners exist > > unofficially in most professions. Am I right to assume that my being Asian > > would put me in slightly good stead? Just wondering about that. > > > > 2. Are there any official instructors' courses I ought to take to upgrade > > or improve myself? > > > > 3. A question posed to some of the more senior practitioners of taekwondo > > - how do you go about establishing your own dojang (hopefully not a McDojang > > though)? I take it that it is out of the love of taekwondo and not money? > > > > 4. At the expense of being money-minded, what is the approximate > > remuneration like for a taekwondo instructor, be he from a McDojang or an > > organisation truly interested in the art? What is the possibility of > > teaching full time and being able to, at the very least, provide for onself? > > > > > > That's about all guys. Thanks for responding. > > > > Regards, > > > > Edmund. > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 07:36:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] Atco man Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Atco man makes Grand Master in Hapkido LYFORD M. MOORE/Courier-Post Saturday, November 12, 2005 Courier-Post Staff VOORHEES When it comes to Hapkido and the martial arts, 41-year-old Ken MacKenzie of Atco has climbed the mountain. Since taking up the sport as a kid, he's advanced to Grand Master in Hapkido's South Korea's national martial art, and become its first American-born Hapkido practioner to win Ji Han Jae-certification as a 9th degree black belt. Ji Han Jae is the style's founder. In martial arts circles, Ken MacKenzie has become a big deal -- a very big deal. Interviewed here recently at one of his five Camden County Gold Medal Family Karate schools, the 6-3, 320-pound MacKenzie said self defense was the last thing on his mind when he first focused in on Hapkido. It had more to do with those old Bruce Lee movies, he recalled. "When I saw karate people in action, it was something I wanted to emulate," he said. "I wanted to be like them. I think a lot of young kids are that way today, and I was no different." Founded by Ji Han Jae in the early 1960s, Hapkido today boasts about 1 million black belts worldwide and is considered the purest of any martial art devoted to self defense. Hand to hand combat is a major component of Hapkido. Those who've trained with MacKenzie attribute his rise in the style to hard work and dedication. They say it was only a matter of time before he and Ji Han Jae, who once served as chief Hapkido instructor for the president of South Korea's security forces, found each other. MacKenzie hasn't forgotten the occasion. "I met him at a martial arts summit in New York about 20 years ago," he said. "He had been sent over here by the South Korean government to help train President Nixon's private Secret Service guys. "He was looking for the perfect student, and I was looking for the perfect instructor. I guess things worked out nicely." Now a full-time resident of Trenton, Ji Han Jae is MacKenzie's trainer. It was he who came to Voorhees last January to elevate MacKenzie to 9th degree black belt. "Ji Han Jae saw a lot in Grand Master MacKenzie when he first met him," said Bob Turley, 41, of Cherry Hill, who's trained with MacKenzie and now runs his school in Voorhees. "He saw a lot of motivation and talent and felt Grand Master MacKenzie was the type of person he wanted close to him. He wants to pass on the art of Hapkido and was looking for the right people. "That's what he saw in Grand Master MacKenzie years ago, and now he's his No. 1 student." Though he's retired from active competition, MacKenzie said he finds even more fulfillment teaching others. The medals and championships were great, he noted, but passing along Ji Han Jae's philosophies is even more gratifying. "Unlike other sports, we're fortunate that, the older we get, the more impact we can have on the martial arts," he said. "As a retired professional and amateur fighter, I'm able to impact many more people now." He says more than 1,000 families are now enrolled in his five schools and that he expects to add two more schools in the year ahead. MacKenzie is one of only two non-Koreans in the world to be confirmed a 9th degree black belt by Ji Han Jae. The other is Jurg Ziegler of Zurich, Switzerland. The only way MacKenzie could advance to 10th degree black belt would be for the only 10th degree black belt and Hapkido founder, Ji Han Jae, to die. MacKenzie says he has nothing against advancing, but not at his mentor's expense. "I don't want to go any higher because that would mean my instructor would have to pass away," he said. "He's 70 now, and I want him to be around for a long long time." --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Working in the USA To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 07:40:32 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I have sent this to this mailing list before but nobody actually replied. So > here it goes again. There are very few people making a living teaching martial arts at someone else's school. If you have the money to open up your own dojang, that is one thing. If you expect to come and work at someone's dojang and make any money, well... I recommend that you forget it. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Howard Spivey" To: Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 11:11:51 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Coming to the US to teach TKD Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To Edmud from Singapore, Why don't you check the US CIS (Citizenship and Immigration Service - formerly the INS) website for information about obtaining permanent residence status (getting a "green card") in the US. I doubt that you'll be able to obtain it based on wanting to teach TKD. If you happen to have a specialized skill, like certain engineering and IT specialties, you could try to get an H-1B visa, but they're limited in duration. The requirements for obtaining permission for permanent residence in the US can vary depending on what country you're a citizen of. As far as I know, the requirements for Singapore citizens aren't any more onerous than those for most European countries. Also, The US government typically sets annual limits on the number of permanent residence permits granted to each country. You might be able to find this info for Singapore on the US CIS website. Finally, if you Google something like "permanent residence status in the US", you should get hits for all kinds of websites of immigration law firms in the US. Perhaps one of those would be helpful to you. Good luck in your efforts. --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 11:19:29 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma To: itf-taekwondo@yahoogroups.com, the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Jang Lee Hwang Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ok I just found out that a guy who to me was the BEST kicker I've ever seen is actually a ITF Grandmaster. His name is Jang Lee Hwang and I first saw his kicking skills in a movie called "shaolin the blood mission" he was the bad guy who could kick like no other!!!! If you haven't seen it, PLEASE rent that!!!! So I did a little research on him and found out that in 2003 he was awarded his 9th dan! I'd like to know if he's still active in the martial arts as far as teaching. Man, when I first saw that movie and saw how he was kicking people and the crazy combinations he was using I KNEW WITHOUT A DOUBT I needed to step my kicking game up....lol Anyhow, here's some research on him: Hwang Jang-lee AKA: Silver Fox, Wong Cheng-li, Wong Jing-lei, Wong Ching-lee, Huang Zheng Li, Huang Jiang Li, Wang Chin-li Gender: male Born: December 21, 1944 (Osaka, Japan - Korean) Biography: Although Hwang Jang Lee is Korean by birth, he was actually born in the outskirts of Osaka, Japan. Hwang studied Taekwondo and boxing from an early age against his parents will and during the 70's acted as martial arts trainer to Korean troops stationed in Vietnam. During his tour of duty as a martial arts instructor in Vietnam he was challenged by a south Vietnamese knife expert. The challenge was over 30 seconds later. His opponent lay dead, killed by a well executed round kick to the head by Hwang. In 1976 he was approached in Korea by producer and director Ng See Yuen to play the villainous Silver Fox in Secret Rivals (1976) along with Wang Tao and John Liu. This film became a classic. It was the first "kickmaster" movie, meaning that instead of virtually all punching it was all kicking instead. The film was a surprise hit. The final fight was amazing, with all three leads giving their all. Hwang instantly became hot property. The combination among Hwang Jang Lee, John Liu and Wang Tao led to a sequel, The Secret Rivals 2 (1977) and the stunning Snuff Bottle Connection, kung fu classics all made at Seasonal Films. Hwang relocated to Taiwan and in 1978 he appeared in the ground-breaking movies Snake in the Eagle's Shadow and Drunken Master, directed by legendary choreographer Yuen Wo Ping and also starring Jackie Chan and Simon Yuen (Yuen Siu Tien). The film rejuvenated and electrified Hong Kong cinema's somewhat stagnant kung fu genre and proved a huge box-office success with Drunken Master taking in over 8 million dollars (HK), which was a lot of money at that time for a kung fu movie. It smashed all box office records, even the ones set by Bruce Lee. Numerous lead performances as thugs and heavies followed, most notably in Dance of the Drunken Mantis (1979), the real follow-up to the first Drunken Master movie with Yuen Shun Yi taking Jackie Chan's place in the movie with all other cast members remaining on the set. Here, Hwang Jang Lee stars as the southern mantis drunkard "Rubber Legs" who is out on a mission to destroy the Northern drunken boxing master, Sam the Seed (Simon Yuen). This movie is incredibly good. Although retired from filmmaking, Hwang will be remembered as arguably the best leg fighter in martial arts film history and easily one of it's most popular stars. --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 11:36:36 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma To: itf-taekwondo@yahoogroups.com, the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] ever see this video? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hwang Jang Lee also did a taekwondo instruction film directed and produced by NG See Yuen and Roy Horan and called "The art of high impact kicking", where Hwang demonstrates over 200 kicks. Starting with the eight elementary kicks, which when multiplied with the spinning motion of the body form the 16 basic kicks, Hwang then progresses onto forward and rear leg attacks, advancing and retreating motions and the four primary footwork patterns; stepping, sliding, skipping and jumping. For the first time Hwang reveals the little-known concepts of anatomical physics essential for the generation of speed and power, building an in-depth picture of the combinations useful in actual combat situations. Entertaining as well as innovative and informative, "The Art of High-Impact Kicking" is an eye-opener for those who always thought powerful martial arts scenes were all down to wire work and fancy camera angles. --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 12:01:47 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] whang in-sik Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Whang In-Sik --------------------------------- Coming from a rich family, this Hapkido expert was one of a handful of Koreans to star in Chinese kung-fu movies. Born in Sonchun (now North Korea), at about (14) years of age he started formal Hapkido training under master Choi Yong-Sool. He achieved his blackbelt at age (16) under master Chi Hon-Joi, who would later appear (and fight) with him in the film Bruce Lee & I. Another "Left-legged" kicker (others being Tan Tao-Liang and Kwan Yung-Moon). One of his students actually trained Dragon Lee in their art. Whang, himself, thought kung-fu star Billy Chong had a lot of talent and possibly a big future in kung-fu films when he worked with him on A Fist Full of Talons. If you've seen Jackie Chan's hit Young Master, then you obviously know of this man has tremendous skills and is no slouch when it comes to using them. His cold expressions definitely come in handy when playing villains, because even when he looks happy (ever see him smile?), he has this vicious look on his face. He once stated that he liked playing villains because of the way he looked, as villains are very important to the story's ending when it's a story about "good vs evil". He's everything you could ask for in a villain, and so much more, because he had such a repertoire of techniques and skill, easily overshadowing his co-stars. Like at the film Dragon Lord. He beat Jackie to a pulp, but he was defeated in the end, look at the punishment he gave out - the kicks, the punches. The only person that I didn't see him steal the action from in a movie was Bruce Lee in Way of the Dragon. He was most vicious in The Skyhawk, taking on Samo Hung, Carter Wong, and the late-great Kwan Tak-Hing. He got to show us just how dynamic his kicks really were as they even overshadowed his acting. I really liked him in Sting of the Dragon Masters, as an evil Japanese. He took on Angela Mao in a stunning display of kicking prowess. He's also gotten the chance to play a few good-guy roles in the films Hapkido and The Tournament. Without a doubt, he was one of the genre's top talents when it came to unbelievable kicking ability. It's just a same we did get to see those kicks going up against some of kung-fu's other kicking-machines such as Wang Jang-Li and Wang Lung-Wei. For some reason bouts like those never happened as much as fans wanted them to. But, in the end, it's what you've left behind that counts and he has left an indelible mark on the kung-fu genre. --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest