Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 03:02:04 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 12 #448 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Dr. Kimm Seminar in MS (rich hodder) 2. Re: RE: Coming to the US to teach TKD (Jye nigma) 3. Re: RE: Coming to the US to teach TKD (Taekwondo America) 4. TKD teaching job (Ray) 5. Teaching Martial Arts in the states.....and being able to afford to eat. (Chris Holmes) 6. Tkd Job in USA (Edmund T) 7. Re: Tkd Job in USA (Ray) 8. RE: what should I do (J R Hilland) 9. RE: Ellis Amdur & Hapkido (J R Hilland) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "rich hodder" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 13:53:35 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Dr. Kimm Seminar in MS Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear List, GM West hosted Dr. Kimm at his dojang on Saturday, after getting some very interesting backround history about Yudo/Judo, Dr. Kimm jumped right into techniques. At one point we stopped to get more instruction and the excuse for the stoppage was that everybody was having so much fun. I can verify that, that was the truth. I haven't seen so many smiling sweaty and worn out people in one room for a long time. Even Dr. Kimm was all smiles. Thank you Sir. Today will be a day of advanced Hapkido motion, by Grand Master West, and I for one can't wait. I just hope Doctor Dave warms us up again the way he was "kind" enough to do yesterday. I am sure there will be more roports about this seminar soon. Have fun and learn something too, Rich --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 07:12:00 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE: Coming to the US to teach TKD To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net awe come on guys, the guy is just trying to come to the 'land of opportunity' to make something for himself. What I would suggest is to come up with a very good, very solid curriculum, something that will set you apart from other schools. for instance, my dream is to open a school where you can learn various korean martial arts, but also where you can learn the language, culture, etc, so the building would have the trainin hall for martial arts and classrooms for learning the language and culture of the korean people. Sky is the limit. Look at other schools, think about what they might be lacking and start you dream up. For instance, there are alot of schools that only train indoors, I'd train indoors as well as outdoors in various climates, settings like a dim parking lot, tight stair case, etc and work on realtime self defense. hey man, if it's your dream to come here and do this, don't give up on your dream. jye Dave wrote: Or, as a much easier alternative, you could get a tourist visa to Mexico, and then just jump the fence into the USA. That way, if you can't find a job as a TKD instructor, as an illegal alien you would at least be entitled to welfare and free medical care, day care, free education and such... FWIW Dave --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 18:11:08 -0600 From: Taekwondo America To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE: Coming to the US to teach TKD Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I believe that very few schools are willing to hire on an outside instructor. Our school only promotes instructors from within, to maintain the continuity of our practices and methods and the integrity of our program. So either he needs to train for a number of years at the school where he would like to instruct, or he should start his own school. I don't think that his choice of location, or his ethnicity, has much to do with it. That's just the way the industry works, IMO. Cheryl Jye nigma wrote: >awe come on guys, the guy is just trying to come to the 'land of opportunity' to make something for himself. What I would suggest is to come up with a very good, very solid curriculum, something that will set you apart from other schools. for instance, my dream is to open a school where you can learn various korean martial arts, but also where you can learn the language, culture, etc, so the building would have the trainin hall for martial arts and classrooms for learning the language and culture of the korean people. Sky is the limit. Look at other schools, think about what they might be lacking and start you dream up. For instance, there are alot of schools that only train indoors, I'd train indoors as well as outdoors in various climates, settings like a dim parking lot, tight stair case, etc and work on realtime self defense. hey man, if it's your dream to come here and do this, don't give up on your dream. > >jye > > >Dave wrote: >Or, as a much easier alternative, you could get a tourist visa to Mexico, >and then just jump the fence into the USA. That way, if you can't find a >job as a TKD instructor, as an illegal alien you would at least be entitled >to welfare and free medical care, day care, free education and such... > >FWIW > >Dave > >--------------------------------- > Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 19:32:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] TKD teaching job Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net FWIW, in reading the San Jose Mercury News today I did happen to see a small ad looking for a TKD instructor to teach at a local Cupertino dojang. Applicants should have be a least a 3rd Dan in Kukki-TKD (WTF) and a 2nd Dan in Judo (IJF, I think), speak Korean and English... and be a good TKD teacher. I was actually a little surprised to see that ad in a local newspaper. The salary was not mentioned. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Chris Holmes" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:34:00 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Teaching Martial Arts in the states.....and being able to afford to eat. Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello Edmund. The best answer is it depends..... Location is one factor. I teach in a small town in rural Mississippi, my earning capacity is just not going to be as great as someone in a more urban and affluent area. I currently make about the same monthly dollar amount teaching martial arts full time as I did 1 yr ago teaching in the public school system with a master's degree and teaching martial arts part time. Can you teach americans? This is not meant to be disrespectful but most asians are more motivated and willing to follow directions than american children. The dollar amount per year can range from being dead broke to $60-80K for a good instructor in the right setting. I have friends whose schools gross over $500,000 per year. good luck Chris Holmes --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:39:28 +0800 From: Edmund T To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Tkd Job in USA Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear all who responded I recently posted about working in the USA as a taekwondo instructor and I am happy that this time round, my mail actually did go through the_dojang mailing list. Thank you to those who responded. Some of your replies are more than "fascinating", especially Dave's suggestion relating to entering the USA as an "illegal alien". No offence taken but I would rather try a more legitimate route. I am not contemplating career suicide, or even being banned from USA at this juncture. To Howard Spivey, who presumably checked the US Citizenship and Immigration Services, I appreciate your efforts in unearthing information like the H-1B visa. I have actually looked into this myself and am considering the Diversity Immigrant Visa Program. My intention is to ultimately pursue an LLM here and join a local practice. Taekwondo, after I have settled down comfortably, would be in the background. But that is neither here nor there. To Cheryl who illustrated the choices that face me, thank you. I am not sure what my future in taekwondo would hold if I were to ever settle down in the USA. I would certainly join a local dojang first. While taekwondo may be universal, I believe in starting from the basics. It is not just money that fuels me, but the passion for taekwondo too. Learning from the ground up instead of opening a dojang straight is definitely something I would consider. I thank also Ray Terry for pointing out the small ad on the papers looking for a taekwondo instructor to teach at a local Cupertino dojang. It is admittedly surprising for such an ad to appear in the papers. But I see also that the standard for being a taekwondo instructor is very high. I guess this means more hard work on my part. To Amcreva Drogovah who patiently answered all my questions, a big thank you. I have never really considered Canada. But even if I do, I guess what I have said above would also apply. Once again, my appreciation. To Jye Nigma, thank you for your encouragement on pursuing my dreams. I hope your dreams come true too. Lastly, I thank also masterm1 who wished me good luck and stated very succinctly that the USA has more than enough taekwondo instructors. I am more than aware of the prevalence of taekwondo schools in the USA. This is something I must take into account if I were to be considering a move into the USA just to teach taekwondo. Regards, Edmund. --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Tkd Job in USA To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 21:00:51 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Dear all who responded > > I recently posted about working in the USA as a taekwondo instructor and I > am happy that this time round, my mail actually did go through the_dojang > mailing list. Actually it went "through the_dojang mailing list" the first time you posted it, back on October 23. It was just that no one was interested in replying. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "J R Hilland" To: Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 00:00:56 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: what should I do Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Find a good hapkido teacher. Nothing wrong with driving 3 hours to class. Many have. But there is really no other way to truly learn hapkido (or any martial art). Period. There are simply no short cuts! Jere R. Hilland www.rrhapkido.com --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "J R Hilland" To: Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 00:05:15 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Ellis Amdur & Hapkido Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<>> The white belt mantra in aikido is: let's practice in harmony'. In hapkido, it is: this is your wrist, this is pain. :) Jere R. Hilland www.rrhapkido.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest