Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:35:15 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 12 #449 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Tkd Job in USA (masterm1) 2. RE: RE: Ellis Amdur & Hapkido (michael tomlinson) 3. Dr Kimm & GM West Seminar (Lloyd Martin) 4. Working in the USA (Hapkidoman5@wmconnect.com) 5. jackson (Hapkidoman5@wmconnect.com) 6. Dr. Kimm Seminar in MS (Tom Stanfield) 7. From another group: TKD HKD schools? (Jye nigma) 8. Vegas, the Dice Man and Martial Arts (Ken McDonough) 9. from another group: ancient dragon? (Jye nigma) 10. Video clips: hapkido clips (Jye nigma) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "masterm1" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Tkd Job in USA Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 00:24:16 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Mr. Edmond T This is your first lesson about living in America. Average will get you no where. Your first letter got no response ask yourself why. My response to your mundane email sparked a small fire storm of responses again ask yourself why. Although the days of the pioneers of TKD coming from Korea opening a storefront and making millions is all but over but checkout what they did. For example: He Il Cho, Jhoon Rhee, Son Duk Sung and Eui Lee Bin. Hey I'm a Chung do kwan guy. Contact others from your homeland here who have been successful, You can examine what they did you might wind up eating out of garbage cans for a while but with willpower you can make it. Make yourself interesting and invaluable are you a champion tournament fighter, international referee, do you know Tai Chi or Hapkido do you have military or police training. Lastly George needs Soldiers you can join the US military I did 26 years and make it in that way if you want to come here bad enough the land of the free and the home of the brave welcomes you. MasterM 1 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edmund T" To: Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 11:39 PM Subject: [The_Dojang] Tkd Job in USA > Dear all who responded > > I recently posted about working in the USA as a taekwondo instructor and I > am happy that this time round, my mail actually did go through the_dojang > mailing list. > > Thank you to those who responded. Some of your replies are more than > "fascinating", especially Dave's suggestion relating to entering the USA as > an "illegal alien". No offence taken but I would rather try a more > legitimate route. I am not contemplating career suicide, or even being > banned from USA at this juncture. > > To Howard Spivey, who presumably checked the US Citizenship and Immigration > Services, I appreciate your efforts in unearthing information like the H-1B > visa. I have actually looked into this myself and am considering the > Diversity Immigrant Visa Program. My intention is to ultimately pursue an > LLM here and join a local practice. Taekwondo, after I have settled down > comfortably, would be in the background. But that is neither here nor there. > > To Cheryl who illustrated the choices that face me, thank you. I am not sure > what my future in taekwondo would hold if I were to ever settle down in the > USA. I would certainly join a local dojang first. While taekwondo may be > universal, I believe in starting from the basics. It is not just money that > fuels me, but the passion for taekwondo too. Learning from the ground up > instead of opening a dojang straight is definitely something I would > consider. > > I thank also Ray Terry for pointing out the small ad on the papers looking > for a taekwondo instructor to teach at a local Cupertino dojang. It is > admittedly surprising for such an ad to appear in the papers. But I see also > that the standard for being a taekwondo instructor is very high. I guess > this means more hard work on my part. > > To Amcreva Drogovah who patiently answered all my questions, a big thank > you. I have never really considered Canada. But even if I do, I guess what I > have said above would also apply. Once again, my appreciation. > > To Jye Nigma, thank you for your encouragement on pursuing my dreams. I hope > your dreams come true too. > > Lastly, I thank also masterm1 who wished me good luck and stated very > succinctly that the USA has more than enough taekwondo instructors. I am > more than aware of the prevalence of taekwondo schools in the USA. This is > something I must take into account if I were to be considering a move into > the USA just to teach taekwondo. > > Regards, > > Edmund. > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Return-Path: Received: from centrmgxi03.cox.net ([65.32.5.134]) by centrmmtai04.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20051102221035.PVPQ8351.centrmmtai04.cox.net@centrmgxi03.cox.net>; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 17:10:35 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com ([65.32.5.134]) by centrmgxi03.cox.net (InterMail vG.1.00.00.00 201-2136-104-20040331) with ESMTP id <20051102221049.YZRZ7714.centrmgxi03.cox.net@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.co m>; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 17:10:49 -0500 Received: from JustMe (118-180.35-65.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.35.180.118]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id jA2MA2ah014894; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 17:10:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <004301c5dffb$998a7320$76b42341@tampabay.rr.com> From: "D2Cruzer" To: "T. Williams" , "Scott G" , "ronald jones \(dessert\)" , "Kenny/Jane Martin \(hom\)" , "Joe Rivera \(home\)" , "Jimbo Pehan \(Home\)" , "Jim Goldsberry" , "Jenkins Gerald \(work\)" , "J.D. Smith \(home\)" , "Huntman" , "Gene & Kathy Tague \(home" , "Geary A. Graham \(work\)" , "Edward Klima \(work\)" , "Chris and Rachelle Davis" , "Chris & Fran \(home\)" , "Carl & Carol Jordan \(Home\)" , "Calvin Lockhart \(Home\)" Subject: Ii need some soldiers Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 17:20:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.98e X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain MessageMan, this ain't funny.... It might be true though!! Subject: Ii need some soldiers http://www.americancomedynetwork.com/FLASH/soldiers.htm I didn't know the President could rap so good!! [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of ACN Presents- I Need Some Soldiers.url] --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] RE: Ellis Amdur & Hapkido Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:29:07 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Exactly,,,my thing is this: if you don't learn where the pain is and how to apply it in class then how in the world do you think you will be able to use this stuff on the street?? You don't have to try and kill someone in class but good healthy trade off of pain is what practice is all about...IMHO if you aren't taking each other to pain in class then you are just "playing" martial arts...... Michael Tomlinson >From: "J R Hilland" >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: >Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Ellis Amdur & Hapkido >Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 00:05:15 -0600 > ><<aikido in hapkido class last week. My point was that hapkido people are >very >good about making the locks hurt, and that aikido people are very good at >escaping that pain.>>> > >The white belt mantra in aikido is: let's practice in harmony'. In hapkido, >it is: this is your wrist, this is pain. :) > >Jere R. Hilland >www.rrhapkido.com >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 05:42:42 -0800 (PST) From: Lloyd Martin To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Dr Kimm & GM West Seminar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I just want to thank Dr Kimm and GM J. R. West for another fantastic seminar. Dr Kimm's Yudo instruction was outstanding on Saturday. Sunday was devoted to Hapkido weapons instructed by GM West. His sessions were informative and intertaining (Tuan will recover soon) as always. No better place than Jackson, MS. Many thanks. Making plans for the spring seminar already. Lloyd --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Hapkidoman5@wmconnect.com Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 08:55:52 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Working in the USA Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net 1. I am Chinese. I am aware that glass ceilings for foreigners exist > unofficially in most professions. Am I right to assume that my being Asian > would put me in slightly good stead? Just wondering about that. have you heard the terminator is the govenor of california,the only glass ceiling's here in america are the ones we place on ourselves. carter --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Hapkidoman5@wmconnect.com Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 10:34:41 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] jackson Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Driving down for the seminar I kept hearing johny cash and roseann cash singing going to jackson.GM West hosted Dr.Kimm for the yudo/judo I must say it was a busy weekend for GM West ,but even though he talked with me on many things that i have questions on .We covered weapons study ,history and motion.While Dr. Kimm covered a great deal of knowledge ,he is truly a great teacher.I hpoe all my flat lander friends made it home safely as for me im glad to be back in the hills of gods country kentucky. k carter --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 10:39:51 -0600 From: "Tom Stanfield" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Dr. Kimm Seminar in MS Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I want to echo Master Hodder's comments...You missed a great time this past weekend in Jackson. Dr Kimm is such an amazing man...all the history he can share and how he can spot the littlest thing that when tweek'd make the biggest differences. Thanks Chief (GM West) for putting on a great time... pass my thanks also to your Mutants for making us "out of towners" feel like family...and thanks lastly to Master Mike Munion (sp...sorry sir) for the tuff-partner'n....still got his finger shaped bruise in several locations. Tom -----Original Message----- From: rich hodder [mailto:richhodder@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 7:54 AM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Dr. Kimm Seminar in MS Dear List, GM West hosted Dr. Kimm at his dojang on Saturday, after getting some very interesting backround history about Yudo/Judo, Dr. Kimm jumped right into techniques. At one point we stopped to get more instruction and the excuse for the stoppage was that everybody was having so much fun. I can verify that, that was the truth. I haven't seen so many smiling sweaty and worn out people in one room for a long time. Even Dr. Kimm was all smiles. Thank you Sir. Today will be a day of advanced Hapkido motion, by Grand Master West, and I for one can't wait. I just hope Doctor Dave warms us up again the way he was "kind" enough to do yesterday. I am sure there will be more roports about this seminar soon. Have fun and learn something too, Rich --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 11:08:37 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] From another group: TKD HKD schools? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net --------------------------------- After reading through a number of the posts here I can see that there seems to be some confusion about Hapkido styles. Where I live there are 3 Hapkido dojangs. The one that I go to is pure traditional Hapkido and 2 have masters that are originally TKD masters that now run HKD schools. A couple of students have moved over to my dojang with "black belts" from the other dojangs. However their technique and accuracy was very poor, and their kicks were all TKD kicks and not HKD kicks. They also only knew a third of the self defence methods and joint locks that our black belts know. I spoke to my master about it and he has said that it is very common these days for TKD schools to move over to Hapkido, however the technique is more TKD based than HKD. To be able to tell the difference. Take a look at the kicking techniques. Hapkido kicks are always straight leg kicks (for kicks that apply... like crescent kicks, hook kicks, rising kicks etc). It terms of joint locks and self defence... if you arent required to know at least 8-10 for your first belt i would be wary. Talk to the master. Find out his background. See what he is originally trained in. Does he go to Korea regularily to learn from his master? Is the dojang certified by the KHF or any other Hapkido Federations? Dont waste your time learning HKD... if it will in the end just be TKD with a couple of Hapkido joint locks. --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 11:10:03 -0800 (PST) From: Ken McDonough To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Vegas, the Dice Man and Martial Arts Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Back from Vegas. Met the Dice Man backstage. He was at the Luxor Hotel. He and I are from NYC and Brooklyn. He told me he was planning a new movie called Ford Fairlane versus the Drunken Master...a spoof of the Chinese films. What a trip. Big Ken --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 11:21:14 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] from another group: ancient dragon? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net from another group: hey, have you guys heard of ancient dragon hapkido? I have no worries about whether im learning enough hapkido, i just want to know if people from other parts of canada have heard of my dojan the instructor is jeff leel, hes a 10th degree in ancient dragon hapkido and a 9th in Black Arts Society Hapkido. --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:26:03 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Video clips: hapkido clips Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net http://www.hapkidoia.com/Vid02/HIA_Web0.wmv http://www.hapkidoia.com/Vid02/HIA_Web1.wmv http://www.hapkidoia.com/Vid02/HIA%20Team%20Pt2.wmv http://www.hapkidoia.com/Vid02/HIA_Web6.wmv http://www.hapkidoia.com/Vid02/HIA_Web2.wmv http://www.hapkidoia.com/Vid02/HIA_Web4.wmv http://www.hapkidoia.com/Vid02/HIA_Web5.wmv http://www.hapkiyoosool.com/video/hapkido_demo.wmv http://www.hapkiyoosool.com/video/hapkido_knife_defense.wmv http://www.hapkiyoosool.com/video/chang_young_shil1.MPG http://www.hapkiyoosool.com/video/FreestyleUSHQ.wmv --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest