Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 03:02:18 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 12 #466 - 7 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Pain in Hapkido (Bruce Sims) 2. RE: Pain in Hapkido (michael tomlinson) 3. internal korean vs chinese (instructor@realtaekwondo.com) 4. RE: Video clips: krav maga (J R Hilland) 5. from Gambia (Ray Terry) 6. SOAS event (Ray) 7. Great new podcast... (Dave Zapencki) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 05:54:36 -0800 (PST) From: Bruce Sims To: Ray Terry Subject: [The_Dojang] Pain in Hapkido Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "......sometimes when i train with certain people, since they know the technique so well and they know whats coming next, they tend to be a little bit ahead of the movemnets, so i dont always seem to get a gage on whether or not is is working/will work for real....that is until i train with someone that is not accustommed to what i am doing. in that case, i find that i almost never get completely through the action and the person is already in pain, on the mat or tapping before i can do anything other than the first 1 or 2 parts. (it is definitely a good thing to train with as many different partners as possible to really learn all the nuances of different techniques.)...." This starts to sound like the "other" side of the arguement. IME even a big white belt with a lot of physical strength can make things "hurt". Its pretty common for me to have at least one good sized college jock in the class each semester and I make it a point of taking his technique rather than letting him test out his skill on some poor co-ed. Invariably they crank the hell out of me and it does hurt, but its not what I would call "hapkido". Rather its just a big guy doing what big guys always do--- use their size and strength. I totally agree that discomfort plays a role in the Hapkido arts, but I think there is a point of diminishing returns. I think a lot of Westerners figure that if a little pain makes a person a little compliant and much pain makes a person VERY compliant. But there is a point at which the technique needs to be something more than just discomfort, right? Thoughts? Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Pain in Hapkido Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 15:04:38 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >"......sometimes when i train with certain people, since they know the >technique so >well and they know whats coming next, they tend to be a little bit ahead >of >the movemnets, so i dont always seem to get a gage on whether or not is is >working/will work for real....that is until i train with someone that is >not >accustommed to what i am doing. in that case, i find that i almost never >get >completely through the action and the person is already in pain, on the mat >or tapping before i can do anything other than the first 1 or 2 parts. (it >is definitely a good thing to train with as many different partners as >possible to really learn all the nuances of different techniques.)...." Once I have someone do this over too many times what I usually do...with a lot of control...is do a different technique on them then the one they are expecting...this gets their attention very quickly and painfully...and then I tell them that it is much easier when you know what technique is coming...that usually gets them back into the learning mode... Michael Tomlinson --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 09:10:25 -0800 From: instructor@realtaekwondo.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] internal korean vs chinese Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Please. Any internal that korean arts or japanese arts have came from the chinese arts. Most styles hide their true lineage. Most korean arts are external. There is hard chi kung and soft chi kung. Soft chi kung is the true internal. Most arts chinese arts that are external and internal, the student spends the first 10 to 20 years building the external (hard chi kung) and the next 10 to 20 years building internal. Ying and yang. eddie urbistondo --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "J R Hilland" To: Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 13:55:02 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Video clips: krav maga Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net YES Michael! Everything created under the heading of self defense in the past several decades! But we live in a quick fix, fast food society, why bother spending decades learning the real art when you can learn the quick 12-step self defense program in only 2 weeks for $9.99, and this weeks special includes a free set of ginsu knives!!! :) <<>> --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 14:39:34 -0800 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] from Gambia Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net A Brief History of Tae kwon do The Daily Gambia Observer Written by Namana Keita Monday, 28 November 2005 Tae kwon do is one of the oriental martial arts, and has its origin in Korea; that is before the split. Tae kwon do means the way of the hand and the foot. It is best described as Korean karate. Before now, there was nothing like tae kwon do; what existed was taekyon. This dates back to circa 37BC. Sometime later this art became known as the art of kicking, punching and butting or Soobak (aka Subak). There is also the existence of the Kwans or schools, (Japanese: ryus) before the advent of tae kwon do. The Kwans played a major role in the evolution of Korea's fighting arts between 1945- 55. However, much confusion exists over the name, number and the actual roles of the Kwans in the formation of tae kwon do. Some Kwans existed before tae kwon do came into being. These were: Chung do kwan, Moo duk kwan (aka Moo do kwan tang soo do; this was made famous by the film star Chuck Norris; this was the first system he studied), Yun moo kwan, Chang moo kwan, Chi do kwan, Song moo kwan (aka Sang moo kwan), Oh do kwan and Ji do kwan (Jea do kwan). Chung do kwan is the first known Kwan that was established to teach the native Korean art; this was under the instruction of Won Kook Lee in 1945. General Choi Hon Hi is credited as being one of the modern day founders of the art of tae kwon do. In 1946 the Korean Armed Forces was formed and the General started to teach the tradition art of taekyon to the Korean military. During this time he was a second lieutenant. The American military had its first introduction to Korean martial arts during this time. In 1952, a demonstration was held before the then Korean President, Snygman Rhee; he was very much impressed that he ordered that all Korean soldiers receive training in taekyon. This resulted in the proliferation of more Kwans. On 11 April 1955, the term "Taesoodo" (the art of China hand) was coined and accepted at a meeting of Kwan masters. However, two years later, the now familiar term "Tae Kwon Do" was coined at a conference of Kwan masters, historians and taekyon advocates. The name was unanimously accepted because of its resemblance to taekyon; it was felt that it maintained continuity and tradition and also described the compromised nature of both hand and foot techniques. Tae kwon do was a marriage of seemingly strange bed fellows or different Kwans. General Choi formulated a lot of what is known today as tae kwon do. He is regarded as the Father of Tae kwon do. In the succeeding years, dissension crept into the relationship between the amalgamated Kwans. The main problem was the each Kwan wanted some form of individuality within the fusion. Thus, the fusion resulted in fission: some pulled out and decided to maintain their Kwan-nature. Chung do kwan was one of such Kwans. The split of Korea also led to the splitting of tae kwon do. Thus, there is the World Tae kwon do Federation, WTF and the International Tae kwon do Federation, ITF. WTF practitioners are easy to identify: they generally put on a white uniform (aka dubok) with a "V" neck. Chung do kwan later affiliated with ITF, which has its headquarters in Canada. General Choi was (he died some few odd years ago) the Head of ITF. Thus, it is easy to appreciate the fact that Chung do kwan is not tae kwon do. What is Chung do kwan? Stay tuned…. Oladele Oyelakin is a chemistry Lecturer at University of The Gambia. (Dele has a Hana degree black belt in Chung do kwan and an Ichi dan black belt in shotokan karate, orange belt status in kodokan judo. . He also practices taichi and Western boxing; he is a member of the Gambia Karate Association) --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 15:42:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] SOAS event Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Forwarding... The Centre of Korean Studies at SOAS, London, welcomes all interested to the following event. If you have any queries please contact the Centre on ak49@soas.ac.uk. Sincerely, Anders Karlsson Centre chair Culture and Society in Pre-Modern Korea A one-day seminar jointly organised by the Centre of Korean Studies, SOAS, and the Academy of Korean Studies, Seoul Friday 2 December, 2005 10.15-17.30 Venue: B34, Birkbeck College (next to SOAS) Programme 10.15–10.30 Introduction Welcoming remarks by Professor Lee Gil Sang, Director of the Center for Information on Korean Culture, AKS 10.30-12.00 Literature Chair: Yeon Jaehoon Jo Yoong-hee (AKS), “Tang Style Poems in the Mid-Joseon Period” Grace Koh (SOAS), “Historical Reality and Literary Strategy: Historical Vision and Literary Imagination in the Samguk yusa” Lim Chi-kyun (AKS), “Births and Achievements of Heroes in the War Hero Novels” 12.00-13.30 Lunch break 13.30-15.30 Music/Linguistics/Art and Archaeology Chair: Anders Karlsson Sheen Dae-cheol (AKS), “Korean Music in the 19th Century” Yeon Jaehoon (SOAS), “Queries on the Origin and the Inventor of Hunmin chĹŹngĹ­m” Hwang Moon-hwan (AKS), “On the Characteristics of Eon’gan as Linguistic Materials for the Korean Language History” Pak Youngsook (SOAS), “KoguryĹŹ Wall Paintings: Are They Chinese or Korean?” 15.30-16.00 Coffee 16.00-17.30 History Chair: Pak Youngsook James Lewis (Oxford), “How do we Present Korea and Japan in Western Museums? An Essay on Relations and Comparisons from Antiquity to the 21st Century” Chung Ku-bok (AKS), “Reassessment of the Status System in Fifteenth-Century ChosĹŹn” Anders Karlsson (SOAS), ”Orphan Care in ChosĹŹn Korea” --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Dave Zapencki" To: Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 17:56:45 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Great new podcast... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Great new podcast that has a pretty extensive interview with Bill "Superfoot" Wallace including his opinions about Steven Segall... http://www.karatekast.com/mp3/KK-2005-11-25.mp3 Can go to website or download the file and listen to it in Windows media player... Dave =================================================================== Good Judgement comes from experience, which comes from Poor Judgement. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest