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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Pain in Hapkido (Bruce Sims) 2. RE: Pain in Hapkido (Kyle McMillan) 3. Surpassing the teacher (Curt McCauley) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:52:02 -0800 (PST) From: Bruce Sims To: Ray Terry Subject: [The_Dojang] Pain in Hapkido Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "......If you train for recreation, with your family that is great. I can respect that, just be careful not to get a false since of security. If you thing you are training realisticly test yourself realisticly. This does not mean you have to fight to the death, or knock each other out. Just have someone big grab you and tell them not to let you go unless you force it to happen. Put somebody on top of you and tell them not to let you up unless you force it to happen. Put on the pads and tell someone to attack with out reguard for your safty. This will be a humbling experiance.,,,," I agree with this entire post. I think it is accurate and to the point. Where things start going haywire is the matter of people getting up the next day and going about their "real lives". For instance, traditionally, the Korean martial tradition was borne of a small cadre of professionals who kept a force of corvee troops up to minimal standards with regular training-- say, once a month or every three weeks--- whatever. When these "draftees" were swinging sticks around they might just as easily been used to resurface a road or rebuild a bridge. Now lets look at it from the art's side Get a bunch of people together and let them know that you are going to train them well. Lots of conditioning and drills and full-contact sparring (no face or head contact). Call it Kyokushin Karate. The young jocks stick around and everyone else leaves. Then among the young jocks the numbers thin out in favor of the big, fire-plug types. What you wind up with are guys who probably coulda beat ass anyhow and now have a place where they can bone-up on beating-ass. OK-- now lets put the two pieces together. On the one hand you have typical people who want to feel more confident in a pretty scary world. They will probably never use their techniques but it makes themselves feel all warm and cozy to think they are the baddest person on two legs even if they can't handle showing up at home or work with a bruise or two. On the other hand you have brusiers who can't wait to stomp somebody whether they use a martial art steeped in centuries of tradition or not. Take these two groups and put one group on one end of a pain continuum and the other group on the other end. The survival of the Hapkido arts is somewhere between these two points would you say? Thoughts? Comments? Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Kyle McMillan" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Pain in Hapkido Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 14:24:48 +1100 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net This is very true. A true martial Arist will learn the art as complete as he/she can and will probably never use it. Well thats my philsophy. Where as you have your bruisers and your victims. >From: Bruce Sims >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: Ray Terry >Subject: [The_Dojang] Pain in Hapkido >Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:52:02 -0800 (PST) > >"......If you train for recreation, with your family that is great. I can >respect >that, just be careful not to get a false since of security. If you thing >you >are training realisticly test yourself realisticly. This does not mean you >have to fight to the death, or knock each other out. Just have someone big >grab you and tell them not to let you go unless you force it to happen. Put >somebody on top of you and tell them not to let you up unless you force it >to >happen. Put on the pads and tell someone to attack with out reguard for >your >safty. This will be a humbling experiance.,,,," > > I agree with this entire post. I think it is accurate and to the point. >Where things start going haywire is the matter of people getting up the >next day and going about their "real lives". For instance, traditionally, >the Korean martial tradition was borne of a small cadre of professionals >who kept a force of corvee troops up to minimal standards with regular >training-- say, once a month or every three weeks--- whatever. When these >"draftees" were swinging sticks around they might just as easily been used >to resurface a road or rebuild a bridge. > > Now lets look at it from the art's side > > Get a bunch of people together and let them know that you are going to >train them well. Lots of conditioning and drills and full-contact sparring >(no face or head contact). Call it Kyokushin Karate. The young jocks stick >around and everyone else leaves. Then among the young jocks the numbers >thin out in favor of the big, fire-plug types. What you wind up with are >guys who probably coulda beat ass anyhow and now have a place where they >can bone-up on beating-ass. > > OK-- now lets put the two pieces together. > > On the one hand you have typical people who want to feel more confident >in a pretty scary world. They will probably never use their techniques but >it makes themselves feel all warm and cozy to think they are the baddest >person on two legs even if they can't handle showing up at home or work >with a bruise or two. > > On the other hand you have brusiers who can't wait to stomp somebody >whether they use a martial art steeped in centuries of tradition or not. > > Take these two groups and put one group on one end of a pain continuum >and the other group on the other end. The survival of the Hapkido arts is >somewhere between these two points would you say? Thoughts? Comments? > > Best Wishes, > > Bruce >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang _________________________________________________________________ realestate.com.au: the biggest address in property http://ninemsn.realestate.com.au --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:26:00 -0800 From: "Curt McCauley" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Surpassing the teacher Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ray writes: > I've always felt it important to look up to our instructors and to > honor > them, but to also strive to surpass them. This view may threaten > some, > but if we don't take things to the next level then what future is > there > for the martial arts. I fully support this statement. As I enter my 60's many of my students are superior in their techniques than I am. I am comfortable with this, for it shows that my teaching has not gone to waste. Also in the past 12 months, my students have opened 4 new programs in NW Washington state. I get to look upon their students as grandchildren who will carry our art well past me, what more could one want. I believe each instructor should have the mind set that he/she is teaching future teachers. Don't hold back your information, give all that you have, and that they can hold. You will find that sooner or later you will be learning from them. It's a pleasant surprise, and the art grows! sincerely, Curt McCauley --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest