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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: RE: Breaking for 1st. Dan (Ray) 2. Martial Arts Time Line (Gladewater SooBahkDo) 3. Re: Brick Breaks (Chris Callahan) 4. most difficult break (freddie bishop) 5. Breaking Bricks, Wood, Tile, Etc. (Vincent DeSalvo) 6. India and before (Bruce Sims) 7. Re: Board and block breaking (ISA Headquarters) 8. Brick-Breaking and Other 1st Dan Breaking Requirements (Lois Knorr) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE: Breaking for 1st. Dan To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 19:24:29 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > ... So, I guess I would like to hear what everybody else does for > their testings. For my 1st Dan I had to run from Illinois to Colorado, backwards, and then break the blast doors at the Cheyenne Mountain Operations Center with a back flip reverse side kick. As you might imagine the US Dept of Defense was none to happy about that, but it had to be done. Got it on the first try. Then for 2nd Dan it really got tough... :) Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: "the_dojang" Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 22:39:28 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] Martial Arts Time Line Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Maybe this will help in the discussion with did martial arts originate in India. This information comes from personal research so please feel free to comment or make correction, as long as you can verify your sorces. Egypt- Crud Boxing is practiced in 4,000 BC Crud Wrestling is also recorded as being practiced in 3,000 BC India- First record of unarmed self-defense by the "Kshatriya" (recorded in the Lotus Sutra) 2,600 BC China- Recorded crud forms of combat including fist, grappling, and throws 2,600 BC Crete- recorded practice of Boxing and wrestling. This came to Crete from Greece, and Egypt 2,300 BC China- forms or patterned movements are recorded being practiced by the Hsia Dynasty 2,250 BC Greece- The first records of the Pankration system emerge. 850 BC Mongolia- Sumo recorded during invasion on China in 770 BC (much different that modern spot Sumo) Okinawa/Japan- wrestling/jujitsu recorded practice in 23 BC Korea- Subak 37 BC Japan- Sumo is introducted to Japan by China 200AD China/India- Bodhiharma travels to China and the Shaolin priest (485AD to 520 AD dates are not clear) China- Tang Dynasty promotes chinese systems of defense 618 AD China- Tang Dynasty produces the Kempo system mostly hand striking 906 AD Japan- Jujitsu is modified to defeat body armor by choking rather than striking 784 AD Okinawa- Kempo is brought to China and Tode is developed 1,392 AD Brazil- Capoeira is developed by slaves, earliest record is 1,552 AD Japan- Miyamoto Mussashi records the use of Kendo 1,564 AD Okinawa- weaponless art developes called Okinawa-te due to the ban on weapons by the Japanese 1,592 AD Japan - Chinese Kempo is recorded as practiced in Japan as well as Okinawa 1,627 AD Okinawa- The term Karate is used for the first time meaning "China Hand" or "Tang Hand" 1,772 AD Franch- Savate emerges in 1780 AD China- Muyedobo tongji is written 1,790 AD Brazil- Jujitu is introduced by Japanese 1,910 AD USA- Karate is introduced to USA 1,920 Japan- Karate is indroduced to Japan by Funakoshi "Shotokan is opened in 1,922 AD USSR- Samo is developed 1,929 AD Japan- the term kara is changed to mean empty 1,936 AD Korea- End of WWII--5 Kwans emerge 1945 AD (Tang Soo Do is the common name used) others were Hwa Soo Do, Tae Kyun, etc. Korea- TKD is formed 1,965 AD Korea- Hapkido is formed by Yong Shul Choi 1,963 AD I skipped many, many dates and events to prevent the list from being to long. The dates vary depending on what text you read, however I tried to take what I considered the most legitamate. I also understand the spellings may vary. This is a general time line I hope this creates some discussion about the spread of Martial Arts through history. I think it does show that Egypt is most likly to have been the creation of the first defense system. This would make since because I believe the first humans were in that region of the world. JCGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 09:09:12 -0500 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Chris Callahan Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Brick Breaks Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Perhaps I am mistaken, but many of the helpful suggestions regarding brick breaks seem to actually discuss concrete slabs or blocks...what about a red brick? Any suggestions on that type of material? Maybe the advice would be the same as what many have already given, but I suspect that would be a harder break. -Chris --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 07:21:40 -0800 (PST) From: freddie bishop To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] most difficult break Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The most difficult break I had to do was a spinning hook kick through a 1" board! Fred __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Vincent DeSalvo" To: Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 12:14:51 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Breaking Bricks, Wood, Tile, Etc. Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Breaking can be a lot of fun with tons of benefits when done properly with conditioning. One item that I haven't seem mention (may have missed it) is conditioning the body part that's being used. Another item is if you are using spacer or not with your breaks, the difference is night and day. The other is setup of the break. The difference can be breaking the material or a body part. I have seen to many injuries (some real nasty ones, judging) because the instructor did not teacher his/her student proper conditioning techniques, proper setup, strike point, and visualization of the break. You just don't go out there and start swinging away, well I guess you can, good lucky. Can I sign your cast? I believe your first step should be conditioning the body part you are using for the break. This takes time, depending on the break maybe months. Then learn proper setup techniques, for wood let say , wood grain and how to match, flatness of the boards against one another when stacking to prevent wobble, which way to have them held or how to place (lay) them on the support. When judging once at a tournament I watch a competitor (brown belt) set up his boards (3 ea 12x12x1), he lay them flat on the cylinder blocks. Down came his punch and bam no break, he fan his hand a few seconds and line up to try again. He was just about to give it all he had when I had to stop him, I just couldn't let him break his hand or worst. I walk over to his boards and turn them 90 degrees and explained to him about wood grain. Very Important! One last thing don't forget Newton's third law. For every action, there is an equal (in size) and opposite (in direction) reaction. Can be a bone breaker. Food for Thought, Vincent --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 12:29:21 -0800 (PST) From: Bruce Sims To: Ray Terry Subject: [The_Dojang] India and before Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I am having a hard time with the various comments about India and the sources for what we have today as MA. I think my difficulty is that for me, speaking as a researcher now and not a practitioner, I don't see MA development in the world as a linear kind of experience. Maybe it is in the short-term (say a window of 75 years) but in the long-term I think its a continual Sine-wave of things being discovered or uncovered and organized followed by periods of popularity. I time things wane, or a war or invasion pretty much cleans out the technology. Then there is a dry season in which things slowly begin to be discovered and uncovered again. I submit that this process happens over and over again. To illustrate the point using an institution I submit that the Shaolin Temple (Henan) is an excellent example. To listen to the media tell it, the temple was a veritable MA academy which continued to polish and perfect their art until well into the 18th century. However, if you begin to look at the history you find that the temple came and went many times over the years-- sometimes was completely abandoned. The various arts that claim connection with the temple as part of their heritage sooner come to some point in their history regression where essentially things are based on stories or rumor rather than historical fact. I think if I were to want to track the history of MA over a number of cultures and much time I would want to prepare to have things drift in and out of focus rather than look for a clear track stright down through the middle of history. To me art like those mentioned in Egypt, India and now China and the Pacific Rim, I think are just varied "loud" high-points in an otherwise not-too-notable history. Thoughts? Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "ISA Headquarters" To: Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 16:03:15 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Board and block breaking Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net People, I submit to you the following test of your technique, speed and power in breaking. Instead of using WHITE PINE boards, use YELLOW PINE. And instead of using cinder blocks, use cement blocks. For an adult (and adult size teen), use 12" x 12" x 1" boards. For adults (and adult size teens) use this size cement blocks (8" x 16" x 3".) NO SPACERS EITHER! This will make you look bad sometimes, but it will also make you hone your skills. Respectfully, George I. Petrotta ISA Director www.sungjado.org/ isahdq@sc.rr.com --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 19:08:58 -0500 (EST) From: Lois Knorr To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Brick-Breaking and Other 1st Dan Breaking Requirements Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net A week before my first dan testing, I commented to the senior student who was mentoring me that I had not had any practise (mentally or physically) for the required 1" brick break. She gave me some pointers regarding bringing my arm straight down onto the brick, then she and another senior held a kicking shield at the approximate height the brick would be. I did a couple of practise strikes in front of the paddle, then 'broke' the paddle. The assisting senior exclaimed that I would have been able to break six blocks -- I believed her. I was not given any further practise. During the testing, for housekeeping reasons, my brick break was the last item on the agenda. I was not nervous or concerned while I waited because from my viewpoint, the testing was complete and all that was left was the fun part -- I had complete trust in my senior's comment. The brick broke and I had to pull up so as not to hit the floor. The other breaking components were nine 1" boards, each broken by a variety of pre-arranged kicks and strikes, including a simultaneous aerial kick/punch to break two boards at once. Lois --------------------------------- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest