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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Sigh, smart training (Christopher Spiller) 2. Sigh, Smart Sparring (Amcreva Drogovah) 3. Broken boards, basic training, and ATA (Burdick, Dakin Robert) 4. RE: A troll? (Thomas Gordon) 5. Sigh, smart sparring (Stovall, Craig) 6. Broken Boards (Don Ross) 7. sigh, smart sparring (t.metzner1) 8. expierence with ATA (Richard Tomlinson) 9. Scoring in sparring? (Lasich, Mark D.) 10. 2006 US TKD Open (Ray Terry) 11. Tae kwon do instructor's trial set: Accused of sex assault and child porn (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 20:45:37 -0800 (PST) From: Christopher Spiller To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Sigh, smart training Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Richard Tomlinson said: >>Why is it that no one wants to realize that basic drills for strength and leg power, yes leg strength are the key to sparring.... this is rediculous... you all argue back and forth about "the technique" but do you train, doing the basic strength, speed drills over and over? Hundreds of times a week. And do you know what these drills are and, DO you push yoreselves constantly beyond what you can do each and every time? Realisticly, do your techniques, have the velosity, impact... to be realistic?geeze! To do what they are ment to do.... is this all show? And belt rank mind play?<< How about enlightening us on what these drills are and giving us a good example of numbers per set to do of each drill instead of the rather ambiguous "hundreds of times a week"? That would be both helpful and in keeping with the aim of this e-mail list, wouldn't it? >>And does anyone take time to study physics, and the movement of the human body. Martial artists have known of, for thousands of years.<< Martial artists have know of what for thousands of years? Physics and kinesiology? If this is what you mean I'm not sure that it's really true. >>Ok some venting here, but really, does anyone really train? Age is not a factor in this question.<< I think by the content of your previous posting the answer you're looking for to this question is "No." Whether ir not that's accurate is another matter, of course. Taekwon, Chris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Amcreva Drogovah" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 07:56:10 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Sigh, Smart Sparring Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Yes, I don't think anyone here says the basics are not the key here. If your training like me (3-5) times a week the basics are already being trained. I was just wondering if people had any moves or training ideas that may help, to be honest, a rather timid fighter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Take the effort out of being organized with MSNŽ Calendar. MSN Premium: Join now and get the first two months FREE* --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 08:15:24 -0500 From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Broken boards, basic training, and ATA Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Talking about boards broken and saved over the years kind of startled me -- I remembered actually having some somewhere, but after a couple minutes remembered that they are now part of the fill in my retaining wall. But I've got to admit, I kept them for a long time and got a lot of pleasure out of it. Kind of makes me wonder where all those boards I signed are! :) I liked the idea of using the boards for the winter training camp fire -- that's a nice way to inspire the students. Richard Tomlinson wrote: > Why is it that no one wants to realize that basic drills for strength and leg power, yes leg strength are the key to sparring.... this is rediculous... you all argue back and forth about "the technique" but do you train, doing the basic strength, speed drills over and over? Hundreds of times a week. And do you know what these drills are and, DO you push yoreselves constantly beyond what you can do each and every time? My answer: Actually, no, I never train and very rarely warm-up, although of course I was taught much better by my instructors. All I do now is get together with my training partner and start sparring or doing jointlock flows. After the first five minutes, I'm pretty warmed up and after about a half hour, we really get going. I don't push my stretch much any more, but just work on maintainence. My hips were starting to get arthritic from pushing them too far I think, and my knees are a lot stronger than they used to be because I don't do the air kicks any more. When I kick, I kick my partner, but of course I don't do that full strength. But we pick up plenty of little injuries anyways -- a kick in the groin here, a bruise on the head there. We could avoid those by wearing protective gear, but we know each other very well, and in 25 years I've never picked up a serious injury sparring. On the other hand, I only spar with folks I trust -- I remember all too well a colleague who lost one of his testicles from a roundhouse kick. After he got kicked, and before he had the surgery, I'm told his nuts swelled up to the size of oranges. Ouch! >Realisticly, do your techniques, have the velosity, impact... to be realistic?geeze! To do what they are ment to do.... is this all show? And belt rank mind play? Well, yeah. We beat up on each other every other day, and we seem to have gotten better. Don't really need strength drills. The human body is just not that strong, if you hit it in the right place. I'm really interested in hearing what everyone else has to say though! I hope folks will weigh in on this one. I just don't seem to find the training necessary right now, because I'm currently blessed with several excellent sparring partners. >And does anyone take time to study physics, and the movement of the human body. Yep. Check the archives here and at rec.martial-arts. Lots of great discussions there. Thanks for posting that review of ATA from Bullshido, Ray. It might be a troll, but it is actually looked like a pretty accurate description of some schools I've seen. Not that all ATA schools are like this, but they seem to emphasize physical education over self-defense, and are a lot more financially solvent than most schools. Take me for example, I haven't charged in a long time. That's probably why I train on the grass and in unused hallways all the time! Hmmmm. Gotta think about this one - I might be getting old enough to go open a decent gym! :) Merry Christmas from the Frozen Midwest, Dakin dakinburdick@yahoo.com [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Thomas Gordon" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] A troll? Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 07:58:36 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Well, if he's a troll, he posted on the ATA mailing list. I know there are ATA schools out there that do things like this. To be fair, there are schools out there that do these things that aren't ATA. Regardless, things similar to this is one of the reasons I got out of ATA. Money, money, money. Nothing wrong with EARNING money but this kinda thing makes us all look bad. As I posted on the ATA list: In case any of you missed it in the article, the first membership was $135 a month. The second membership had forms, one-steps, & self defense...instead of "generic taekwondo" and an additional class (for a total of three now). The second membership was $150....that's only $15 more....right? Not really, the first membership was for 12 months versus the second which was for 24 and a bigger enrollment fee. Contract value of the first program was $1620. Second one was $3600. They bumped this man up for $2,000 because he wanted to learn forms and self defense?!?! Thomas Gordon Florida -------------------------------------------- My mailbox is spam-free with ChoiceMail, the leader in personal and corporate anti-spam solutions. Download your free copy of ChoiceMail from www.digiportal.com --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 08:09:26 -0600 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Sigh, smart sparring Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<>> Agreed. Na simma down na!!! --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Don Ross" To: "dojang_digest" Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 09:19:06 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Broken Boards Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I know pine isn't the best choice for lathe projects, but... Broken 12 X 12's: I glue finished edge to finished edge. Then sabre -saw 11" disk. Glue up disks 5 thick, rotating grain 45 degrees each layer. Mount on wood lathe and turn into a fruit/nut bowl. Sand, stain, varnish. Engrave initials in Korean and yr on underside. Broken 6 X 12's [half-boards the younger students break] Sabre-saw the halves into 5 1/2" disks. Glue up, turn, finish as above for pencil cups. These items make treasured gifts for fellow instructors, special students, family, friends, or your Grandmaster. Anyone desiring more details of the gluing setup or pics, please E-mail me off-list at yongkal3@msn.com. pil seung, Don Ross A true teacher is not the one with the most knowledge, but the one who causes others to have the knowledge' - anon. --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "t.metzner1" To: Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 09:56:10 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] sigh, smart sparring Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Tomlinson, I whole heartedly agree with your position about the importance of conditioning in improving technique. It's something I stress to my students, especially when they have difficulty with certain advanced techniques. It is usually a matter of stretch and strength. I beleive the initial posting from a yellow belt concerned about tournament preparedness poses a more immediate problem. Having trained many yellow belts over the past 18 years, the first thing I teach is a good checking kick with the front foot. Yellow belts need to learn right away how to keep an opponent off them. Check kicks and high section punches are most effective in keeping agressive opponents at bay. This slows the match to a more manageable pace. Tom Metzner --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Richard Tomlinson" To: Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 12:19:05 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] expierence with ATA Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net What a horrible story! It makes me naucious and my hair stand on end..... these schools make the good ones look bad, the ones who really go all out for their students, have excellent corriculms. I am not in ATA, but I know there are pleanty of ATA schools which are excellent around the country. Please dont give up on finding and doing a martial arts program! --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 13:23:36 -0500 From: "Lasich, Mark D." To: "Dojang \(Dojang\)" Subject: [The_Dojang] Scoring in sparring? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Just curious of how different folks score points in sparring. I am sure every style has a system, and it may be interesting to hear the differences/similarities. Here's what I know: 1 point Punch to Body or Kick to Body 2 points Jump Kick to Body or head level kick 3 points Jump Kick to head level Each with light/moderate contact. In the spirit, Mark --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 11:21:10 -0800 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] 2006 US TKD Open Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net 15th Annual U.S. Open Taekwondo Championships http://ustu.org/318_1244.htm -- Ray Terry www.the-dojang.net the.dojang.digest@gmail.com --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 17:42:35 -0800 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Tae kwon do instructor's trial set: Accused of sex assault and child porn Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Tae kwon do instructor's trial set: Accused of sex assault and child porn The Exeter News-Letter By Adam Dolge BRENTWOOD - A 55-year-old Newmarket man accused of sexually assaulting a teenage girl has a trial date set for March 6. Keith Ingraham, formerly of 58 Schanda Drive, was indicted in September on 10 counts of felonious sexual assault and two counts of child pornography, all Class B felonies, which each carry a maximum punishment of 3˝ to seven years in prison. Ingraham is being held at the Rockingham County House of Corrections. An indictment is not an indication of guilt. Rather, it means a grand jury has determined there is sufficient evidence to warrant a trial. Jury selection will begin on March 6 with a trial following shortly after, explained Brad Bolton, assistant Rockingham County attorney. A structuring conference was held with Ingraham's attorney and Bolton on Nov. 21 to set up the trial date. Ingraham was arrested on May 28 on charges that he sexually assaulted a teenage girl. He was also charged with taking photographs of her genitalia. Following the arrest other teens came forwarded alleging that they were also sexually assaulted by Ingraham. The indictments and trial deals solely with the first alleged victim. According to the indictments, Ingraham allegedly sexually assaulted the 14-year-old girl between May 1, 2004, and May 27, 2005. Ingraham had leased space at the Newmarket Community Center for the past several years for the use of his family's business, the Newmarket Blackbelt Academy. He was a former tae kwon do instructor at the academy. "We think it's an important case considering his position in his community and the access he had to young teenagers," Bolton said. "We've done a very thorough investigation on this case, and there was some excellent work on both the part of the Newmarket Police Department and our office to gather as much information as possible." Ingraham is being held in jail on $100,000 bail. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest