Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 10:54:22 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 12 #496 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2000 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Seminars Isurance Question (blueknightpi@att.net) 2. RE: Tae Kwon Do (PETER.MCDONALDSMITH@london-fire.gov.uk) 3. From another group: karate body mechanics (Jye nigma) 4. video clip; bagua free sparring (Jye nigma) 5. Linguistics (was Re: Did you overlook something?) (Christopher Spiller) 6. homonyms (Burdick, Dakin Robert) 7. RE: Did you overlook something? (Calvin Berlin) 8. Re: Re: Seminars Isurance Question (Dave Zapencki) 9. kwanjangnim (Fred Gommels) 10. Re: Did you overlook something? (Bruce Sims) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: blueknightpi@att.net To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 12:55:59 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Seminars Isurance Question Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net What I have done and as far as Iknow so have many others is to require a release from the particants (and by the way don't let spectators be there in general or get a release form them as well) that accepts the risks and waives claims against the instructors, theit assistants and the owners of the site where the event is held. If you want a copy of the one I have used email me privately so I don't use up bandwidth here. Vic Cushing --__--__-- Message: 2 Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Tae Kwon Do Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 13:28:44 -0000 From: To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net TKD is none of the new complete MAs. Why do I say that? Because while I have visited a few TKD dojangs I have picked up many tasty ingredients that I have add to my tkd pie. This includes ground work. Tech that I have used to good effect in a judo class. I have also enjoyed sparring in a Thai boxing club. Much to the frustration of the patrons. Must dash. The secrets in the science -----Original Message----- From: Richard Tomlinson [mailto:edandmikes@goes.com] Sent: 16 December 2005 01:49 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Tae Kwon Do Tae Kwon Do still retains it's own uniqueness by possessing among it's arsenal many special techniques involving legs, and it's SCIENTIFIC ways to deliver it's capacity of self defense... Input on this is, cool! :) _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang **************************************************************************** SMOKE ALARMS SAVE LIVES Go to London Fire at www.london-fire.gov.uk/firesafety This email is confidential to the addressee only. If you do not believe that you are the intended addressee, do not use, pass on or copy it in any way. If you have received it in error, please delete it immediately and telephone the supplied number, reversing the charges if necessary. --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 06:50:00 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma To: MartialArtsTalk@yahoogroups.com, martialstudies@yahoogroups.com, the_dojang@martialartsresource.net, itf-taekwondo@yahoogroups.com Subject: [The_Dojang] From another group: karate body mechanics Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net CHINKUCHI AND KOSHI: A COMPARISON/CONTRAST OF BODY MECHANICS Introduction. In Western European combat systems depended largely on the brute strength of the warrior. In the Fareast, combat techniques depended more on speed, agility, precision and economy of motion to develop focused power. In Okinawa, there are two primary methods for developing power. They are Chinkuchi and Koshi. PART I: CHINKUCHI “Good chinkuchi starts from tensing from the bottom up. The stance is the foundation, the flexible elastic waist assits in catapulting and throwing the punch, and the instantanous tighting of all muscles at impact complete and penetrate and transfers energy into the target. The stances that cause the greatest rooting from the foundation are naihanchi and sanchin dachi but seisan dachi is a close third. Good chinkuchi is the cultivation of energy through proper body mechanics which cumulate from a chain of events thats starts from a sound foundation. Just as pliable yet strong yielding bamboo whips and survives from being uprooted from its foundation through a storm, a karateka must be similar in their actions in applying techniques that will uproot a stonger but unbending oak tree. The manner of technique is both soft or hard.” A.J. ADVINCULA **************************************** Chinkuchi Defined Chinkuchi is old style, traditional Okinawan body mechanics found in Isshin-ryu, Goju-ryu, and other systems. In the Okinawan language/dialect of Hogan, the term Chinkuchi best describes technique that is both efficient and devastating. Like many Okinawa fighting concepts, Chinkuchi probably originated in China. Directly translated, Chinkuchi means “chin” muscle (sinew), “ku” (bone) and “chi” (energy or control) and can be described as a physical conditioning process which focuses the elements of mind and body into a single moment in time with the desired effect of a quick, strong technique. Chinkuchi Basics Chinkuchi begins in a fluid and relaxed state and ends in a fluid and relaxed state. When a person tenses muscles used for contraction, these muscles must be relaxed to execute a punch with extensors. Therefore a person must maintain a fluid and relaxed state to have fast technique. Chinkuchi is the contraction of the muscles and tendons from the feet through the abdomen and body to the body part making the strike, in the most advantageous sequence of muscle chains resulting (e.g., feet, ankle, calf, thigh, hip, waist, torso, shoulder, bicep/tricep, forearm, fist) in total body tensing at the moment of impact followed by a fluid and relaxed state. You draw energy from the ground, transferring it through the body and then delivering it through the fist or foot. At the moment of impact, both extensors and flexors are contracted in order to maximize power. The body then returns to a fluid and relaxed state. The body flows from “soft” to “hard” and then back. The most important kata for teaching chinkuchi is sanchin. PART II: KOSHI While I believe that I have good chinkuchi, I am just learning the concepts of Koshi. I found learning chinkuchi to be quite natural. I am finding Koshi to be challenging and promising. The distinctive feature of koshi is that energy flows from the tanden rather than the feet. Koshi originated with the study of Kobudo. Choki Kishaba Sensei wanted to learn how one of his teachers generated so much power. He took a scientific approach to improving upon his teacher’s method of using the hip to generate power. With further study, he realized that the hip was just part of the mechanics of generating power. The other part was the tanden. Koshi Defined This is the Karate Kid drum technique. The hips and abdominals are tightened released towards the extremity launching the strike. Koshi Basics Koshi begins in a fluid and relaxed state and ends in a fluid and relaxed state. Movement begins, not with the feet, but with the tanden – even for walking!!! Most of us stick our legs out and step forward in a continual “falling” motion. Koshi uses a glide that facilitates quick response. Hip rotation and contraction and extension of the abdominal muscles are the primary means of determining directional movement with legs being secondary. This is also true for striking as the abdomen and hips are the beginning of the chain of muscles that fire in sequence to strike. The abdominals are “loaded” like a rubber band and suddenly released to launch a strike. The best kata for developing koshi is Naihanchi. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 06:29:30 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net, itf-taekwondo@yahoogroups.com Subject: [The_Dojang] video clip; bagua free sparring Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net http://media.putfile.com/BGZ-sparring-3 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 06:56:50 -0800 (PST) From: Christopher Spiller To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Linguistics (was Re: Did you overlook something?) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net John Johnson said: >>There are a multitude of homonyms in Korean. The first I learned was the word "mal," which can mean "language" or "horse." Therefore, the usage of the word "kwan" is completely dependent on the subject of the sentence.<< Unless, perhaps, you're speaking to a horse. Heh :) Seriously, though, the above statement simply reiterates something I thought when reading Alain's post regarding his wife and the "grandmaster" expert. I'd take a native speaker (or someone who has spoken and read the language in question for several years) any day of the week over someone who's "expertise" lacks the same consistency of use. I read both Latin and French, for example, but had someone vet the translation I just did of Aquinas because he's specifically taught Latin for 25 years! He just might have some useful insights for me. >>For example, most martial art schools are no longer called "dojangs" here in Korea. Rather, they are referred to as "chae-yook-kwans", which implies a gymnasium atmosphere rather than a martial discipline.<< This is too bad, imho. Wasn't it Ray who mentioned before asking people about a Do Jang in Seoul and them not having a clue as to what he was saying? IIRC, his attempt at making them understand by exhibiting various MA techniques in the bank wasn't as helpful as you'd have thought :-) Taekwon, Chris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 10:05:29 -0500 From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] homonyms Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net John Johnson wrote: >For example, most martial art schools are no longer called "dojangs" here in Korea. Rather, they are referred to as "chae-yook-kwans", which implies a gymnasium atmosphere rather than a martial discipline. I hadn't heard about the new term, but it makes sense. "Dojang" actually means "place of the way" and is used for monasteries, so the change is more about moving from the analogy of a monastery to that of a sports gym. And although hangul is a phonetic alphabet, Koreans used Chinese symbols (hanja) for a long time and the Chinese language has a LOT of homonyms in it. For example: "Four" sounds a lot like death. "Eight" sounds a lot like "get rich fast". Car licenses that combine these characters well may cost more than the car. "To give a clock" is a homonym for "see you on your final trip to the cemetery or funeral home." You might want to avoid giving clocks as gifts! In the Lion Dances, the lion is offered a head of lettuce (sheng cai), because "lettuce" containins homonyms for "new birth" and "money." etc etc. Dakin dakinburdick@yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 08:41:15 -0600 From: "Calvin Berlin" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Did you overlook something? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net John, Your right. A word can have many meanings. It all depends on how you use it, or what box you're standing on. Bank was a good example. It can also mean "Cash". Keep your hands off my bank. I left my bank at the crib. Cal ----------------------------------------------------- This electronic mail transmission contains information from P&H Mining Equipment which is confidential, and is intended only for the use of the proper Addressee. 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They are no substitute for insurance... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 6:55 AM Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Seminars Isurance Question > What I have done and as far as Iknow so have many others is to require a release from the particants (and by the way don't let spectators be there in general or get a release form them as well) that accepts the risks and waives claims against the instructors, theit assistants and the owners of the site where the event is held. > > If you want a copy of the one I have used email me privately so I don't use up bandwidth here. > > > Vic Cushing > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Fred Gommels" To: "DOJANG DIGEST" Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 10:26:53 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] kwanjangnim Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Alain Burrese, Thank you for your kind words. In looking at your accomplishments on your website, I am honored to receive your comments. Sincerely, Fred Gommels Fredrick J. Gommels Martial Art Fitness Centers, Inc. Korea / USA Simmudo Association 2849 S. Broadway Rochester MN 55904 www.mafci.com www.simmudo.com --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 10:26:10 -0800 (PST) From: Bruce Sims To: Ray Terry Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Did you overlook something? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net ".....There are a multitude of homonyms in Korean. The first I learned was the word "mal," which can mean "language" or "horse." Therefore, the usage of the word "kwan" is completely dependent on the subject of the sentence. For example, most martial art schools are no longer called "dojangs" here in Korea. Rather, they are referred to as "chae-yook-kwans", which implies a gymnasium atmosphere rather than a martial discipline." Thanks, John. You are exactly right. In English we have such cases of "church" (building) and "church" (congregation or believers). We also have "school" (building) and "school" (educational process or philosophical thought). I see the same situation with the term "kwan" which may, indeed reference a structure or location. I am hoping people don't forget that there are other "sound-alikes" as well. FWIW. BTW: In a recent article I read, the Korean author seemed to equate the word "kwan" with "academy". Thats one I had not heard of before. Have you run into this in Korea? Thoughts? Best Wishes, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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