Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 10:42:20 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 13 #11 - 14 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,100 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Question about 3 years of age (Amed Hazel) 2. RE: Master Seidel (Master Mark Seidel) 3. Re: Boat promotions...for whom? (sidtkd@aol.com) 4. RE: RE: KMA Fraud (PETER.MCDONALDSMITH@london-fire.gov.uk) 5. Re: psychotherapy and taekwondo (sidtkd@aol.com) 6. RE: Training with DJN Ji (Stovall, Craig) 7. Clock Watchers (Gordon) 8. Orange Bowl (JR West) 9. Can't find a sparring partner? ;-) (Van Harn, Steve) 10. Re: RE: Training with DJN Ji (Ray) 11. RE: Orange Bowl (michael tomlinson) 12. Re: Orange Bowl (Ray) 13. Re: Orange Bowl (michael tomlinson) 14. Re: Clock Watchers (Jye nigma) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 03:36:57 -0500 From: "Amed Hazel" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Question about 3 years of age Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Richard Tomlinson Out of curosity, does anyone have a working program of martial arts for the 3 year age group. Or , I guess, is anyone doing a program for that age group? For this age group Melody Shuman is the Master of age specific curriculums. You can find her at shumanconcepts.com. Tell her I sent you. Amed Hazel -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.13/221 - Release Date: 1/4/2006 --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Master Mark Seidel" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Master Seidel Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 06:41:56 -0500 Organization: The Midtown Academy Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I like hard training but 8 days and nights of testing is a bit much. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Gladewater SooBahkDo [mailto:gladewatersoobahkdo@msn.com] Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 10:11 PM To: the_dojang Subject: [The_Dojang] Master Seidel If hard training and tough test sounds like a cult to you maybe you should find another school JCGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: sidtkd@aol.com Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 07:03:20 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Boat promotions...for whom? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mark made some good points in his last posting. One of the real problems as I see it with these dan skips, is that it involved dan skips of over two ranks, that it was ONLY for Koreans and currently Americans are under that glass ceiling that holds them till 7th dan. Recently Grandmaster Edward Sell became the first American 9th dan and his wife recently got promoted to 8th dan. That took an enormous amount of time and effort and again, they are the only ones. These dan skips take place today and are reserved basically for Koreans. You will note that there is an official process that allows one to skip a dan rank once officially. I don't know anyone that has successfully done that. Does anyone here know of anyone? Last point..is dan rank important? Ask a sargeant if he'd rather be a lieutenant and see what he says. Sid --__--__-- Message: 4 Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] RE: KMA Fraud Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 12:03:41 -0000 From: To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr Hilland, Noble words. If I may add my thoughts to yours; I have a dream that one day we will not be judged by the colour of our skin (or belt) and that a man will be judged by the merit of our character. Peace and love. -----Original Message----- From: David Zapencki [mailto:taekwondo@wi.rr.com] Sent: 02 January 2006 22:13 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE: KMA Fraud Bravo Sir! The TKD side of the house concurs most resoundingly! J R Hilland wrote: We are a martial arts community but we seldom act as a community. Isolationism and elitism are common place. Rank and posturing are more important than time in rank or getting on the mats with fellow martial artists and practicing technique. McDojang are more common than traditional dojang. Copyrighting the art is more important than sharing it. Promoting oneself is more important than promoting the art. But if we get on the mats together, forget about rank and just practice the art... _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang **************************************************************************** SMOKE ALARMS SAVE LIVES Go to London Fire at www.london-fire.gov.uk/firesafety This email is confidential to the addressee only. If you do not believe that you are the intended addressee, do not use, pass on or copy it in any way. If you have received it in error, please delete it immediately and telephone the supplied number, reversing the charges if necessary. --__--__-- Message: 5 From: sidtkd@aol.com Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 07:09:49 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: psychotherapy and taekwondo Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I met a very unusual guy that is a Ph.D in clinical psychology and a 3rd dan wtf. He integrates the taekuks in taekwondo with a play therapy version of psychotherapy for his young patients. His feeling is that while students should incorporate muk yum (meditation) with their forms they can introspect on their emotional issues as well. He finds that while this doesn't work in every case, it is very effective with kids that have problems concentrating. Fascinating approach isn't it? Sid --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 08:01:12 -0600 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Training with DJN Ji Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ray, Just curious. Did he have a source of income outside of teaching MA, because it sounds like he was never much of a commercial success at it? --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Gordon" To: Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 09:36:06 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Clock Watchers Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hey all, I've got a couple of kids, one about 10 years and the other 11 years old. One can't tell time very well yet, the other can tell time and is a bit of a mamma's boy. They are both sons of prominent parent students. (Yah, I know, but we all play that game to some point) These young men, one a yellow belt and one a green belt will interrupt class and ask; what time it is, is class over yet, when is class over, how many more minutes until class is over, etc. I think it's one of two things. Either they crave more attention or, they have just learned to tell time and are just showing off their new time telling skills. I've tried devoting a 1st or 2nd Dan, one on one with them to keep them on task. They just ask them the same questions. I've tried assigning push-ups and get back to task suggestions. I've announced verbiage like: we will finish when class is over. Gentlemen, any suggestions? Gordon Okerstrom --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "JR West" To: Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 09:58:46 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Orange Bowl Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Personally, I rather enjoyed the outcome of the game. I am, as some of you know, a PSU Alum and one of four West boys that attended school there. Two of my older brothers (William, '57: Robert '61) played football there under Rip Engle, and Joe Pa took over from him as head coach after the 1965 season, and well after my graduation. Joe Pa came to Happy Valley with Rip Engle from Brown in 1950. My oldest brother (Paul, '46) and I played basketball instead because it was WAY too cold outside and there wasn't enough contact. One piece of trivia: when I was attending PSU, it was the largest private university in the nation with 43,000 students on it's main campus.....JRW www.hapkido.com --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 09:38:36 -0600 From: "Van Harn, Steve" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Can't find a sparring partner? ;-) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net http://sdtandroids.com/DesktopDefault.aspx Steve --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE: Training with DJN Ji To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 08:21:28 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Ray, > > Just curious. Did he have a source of income outside of teaching MA, > because it sounds like he was never much of a commercial success at it? Not to my knowledge. He was a commercial success was when he was living in Korea, but so much in the last 20 or so years. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Orange Bowl Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 16:42:41 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dang J.R. I really didn't know you went to Penn State...cool story.... Michael Tomlinson >From: "JR West" >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: >Subject: [The_Dojang] Orange Bowl >Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 09:58:46 -0600 > >Personally, I rather enjoyed the outcome of the game. I am, as some of you >know, a PSU Alum and one of four West boys that attended school there. Two >of >my older brothers (William, '57: Robert '61) played football there under >Rip >Engle, and Joe Pa took over from him as head coach after the 1965 season, >and >well after my graduation. Joe Pa came to Happy Valley with Rip Engle from >Brown in 1950. My oldest brother (Paul, '46) and I played basketball >instead >because it was WAY too cold outside and there wasn't enough contact. One >piece of trivia: when I was attending PSU, it was the largest private >university in the nation with 43,000 students on it's main campus.....JRW >www.hapkido.com >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 12 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Orange Bowl To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 09:19:54 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Dang J.R. I really didn't know you went to Penn State...cool story.... Ask him sometime about being the starting point guard on the Penn State basketball team, and how they did against Dave Bing's Syracuse. :) For the youngsters out there, Dave Bing went on to be named one of the top 50 players in NBA history. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 13 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Orange Bowl Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 17:36:06 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net that's cool...J.R. West has more layers than one of those Vidalia Onions!!!! Michael Tomlinson >From: Ray >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Orange Bowl >Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 09:19:54 -0800 (PST) > > > Dang J.R. I really didn't know you went to Penn State...cool story.... > >Ask him sometime about being the starting point guard on the Penn State >basketball team, and how they did against Dave Bing's Syracuse. :) > >For the youngsters out there, Dave Bing went on to be named one of the >top 50 players in NBA history. > >Ray Terry >rterry@idiom.com >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 14 Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 10:19:18 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Clock Watchers To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net maybe they don't want to take martial arts. I'd suggest asking them why they do what they do in class. jye Gordon wrote: Hey all, I've got a couple of kids, one about 10 years and the other 11 years old. One can't tell time very well yet, the other can tell time and is a bit of a mamma's boy. They are both sons of prominent parent students. (Yah, I know, but we all play that game to some point) These young men, one a yellow belt and one a green belt will interrupt class and ask; what time it is, is class over yet, when is class over, how many more minutes until class is over, etc. I think it's one of two things. Either they crave more attention or, they have just learned to tell time and are just showing off their new time telling skills. I've tried devoting a 1st or 2nd Dan, one on one with them to keep them on task. They just ask them the same questions. I've tried assigning push-ups and get back to task suggestions. I've announced verbiage like: we will finish when class is over. Gentlemen, any suggestions? Gordon Okerstrom _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest