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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,100 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. video clip: boxer kiss (Jye nigma) 2. BOXER KISS (Gordon) 3. Clock Watchers (Gordon) 4. Tae Kwon Dance ? (Ray) 5. Ko Dan Ja Shim Sa (craftgenius@juno.com) 6. (No subject header) (rwood) 7. RE: Tae Kwon Dance ? (michael tomlinson) 8. Re: Clock Watchers (Kevin Janisse) 9. Re: Clock Watchers (Manuel Maldonado) 10. RE: Clock Watchers (Master Mark Seidel) 11. Way back "In The Day" (Manuel Maldonado) 12. Dave Bing (JR West) 13. Hello (Bennett, Denise) 14. RE: Clock Watchers (Kay Ethier-Above and Beyond Language Learning) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 10:30:18 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma To: MartialArtsTalk@yahoogroups.com, martialstudies@yahoogroups.com, csemt-serrada_escrima@yahoogroups.com, itf-taekwondo@yahoogroups.com, the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] video clip: boxer kiss Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net http://www.youtube.com/watch.php?v=5kqZdSZGDbA --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Gordon" To: Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 12:54:42 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] BOXER KISS Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Yah, I saw that yesterday. Does anyone know what happened after that? Did they continue? Who won? Was there a penalty? If so, against whom? Gordon Okerstrom --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Gordon" To: Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 12:59:30 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Clock Watchers Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Thanks Jye, Duh! Sometimes I feel like a dolt. The obvious didn't occur to me. The forest for the trees I guess. Gordon Okerstrom --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 11:02:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] Tae Kwon Dance ? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ok now, hold the jokes... There is apparently a "United State Tae Kwon Dance Association". Is anyone familiar with Tae Kwon Dance? I had never heard of it before. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "craftgenius@juno.com" Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 19:13:41 GMT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Ko Dan Ja Shim Sa Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I would also like to encourage those who will be participating in Ko Dan Ja Shim Sa, especially those from Region 7. Best of luck to all including Kyo Sa Nim Ridlon as they prepare for an experience they won't forget. Yong Gi Roller --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "rwood" To: sidtkd@aol.com,the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 13:43:10 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] (No subject header) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sid Wrote Mark made some good points in his last posting. One of the real problems as I see it with these dan skips, is that it involved dan skips of over two ranks, that it was ONLY for Koreans and currently Americans are under that glass ceiling that holds them till 7th dan. Recently Grandmaster Edward Sell became the first American 9th dan and his wife recently got promoted to 8th dan. That took an enormous amount of time and effort and again, they are the only ones. These dan skips take place today and are reserved basically for Koreans. You will note that there is an official process that allows one to skip a dan rank once officially. I don't know anyone that has successfully done that. Does anyone here know of anyone? Last point..is dan rank important? Ask a sergeant if he'd rather be a lieutenant and see what he says. Sid Sir, as a retired USAF Technical Sergeant (E-6) I will answer the question about which I’d rather be. The Non-Commissioned Officer (NCO) is the backbone of any military or Para-military(read police) organization. I know because I was a Cop in the US Air Force. A good NCO will train and make sure his/hers troops are ready for whatever the mission mat throw at them. The good NCO will also attempt to help the individual troop discover their full potential and aid the individual troop in becoming better all round person. A good Martial Arts (MA) instructor has the same outlook. He/she will provide the best training possible for those who are attending his/her school. The good MA will also aid the individual student in becoming better all round people. As with the MA community the armed forces have their share of “paper tigers”. The good NCOs simply went about the jobs doing the best that they could do and shinning the light on sloppy, lazy, poor excuses for NCOs. It is not perfect, but it works. IHS, Rob Wood --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Tae Kwon Dance ? Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 19:51:28 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net hey man I am a 8th dan in that...you ought to see my new purple spandex dobok....nice and tight.. Michael Tomlinson >From: Ray >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) >Subject: [The_Dojang] Tae Kwon Dance ? >Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 11:02:51 -0800 (PST) > >Ok now, hold the jokes... > >There is apparently a "United State Tae Kwon Dance Association". > >Is anyone familiar with Tae Kwon Dance? I had never heard of it before. > >Ray Terry >rterry@idiom.com >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Kevin Janisse" To: Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 11:55:25 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Clock Watchers Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello Gordon, What has worked for me is to give the boy(s) the responsibility to tell you the moment class time is over. It actually works well for me because I sometimes get caught up in teaching and loose track of time. Unfortunately my son is the one reminding me because he is ready to hit the door when its time. If they need help reading the clock give them a picture of what the hands should look like when it is time to go. Sincerely, Kevin Janisse --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Manuel Maldonado" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 12:00:15 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Clock Watchers Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net It's obvious that they don't want to be there I'd tell the parents about the situation and sugest a different activity for them like baseball, swimming, soccer, etc. Because the are old enough and all they are doing is interupting those who come to learn. Didnt you say the were like 9 & 11? Run for your life man! LOL but serious they dont want to be there so dont waste your valuble time- Manuel Maldonado --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Master Mark Seidel" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Clock Watchers Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 15:18:20 -0500 Organization: The Midtown Academy Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net You wrote ~ Hey all, I've got a couple of kids, one about 10 years and the other 11 years old. One can't tell time very well yet, the other can tell time and is a bit of a mamma's boy. They are both sons of prominent parent students. (Yah, I know, but we all play that game to some point)~ ************************************************************** This might sound simple but move the clock. The one that keeps asking is class over yet, I would ask back "why are you tired or do you need a time out"? If he says yes give him a time out. Kid's that age should have learned to tell time when they were 6. At 10 and 11 they are playing control games with you, don't let them win. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Gordon [mailto:gordon@baes.com] Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 10:36 AM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Clock Watchers Hey all, I've got a couple of kids, one about 10 years and the other 11 years old. One can't tell time very well yet, the other can tell time and is a bit of a mamma's boy. They are both sons of prominent parent students. (Yah, I know, but we all play that game to some point) These young men, one a yellow belt and one a green belt will interrupt class and ask; what time it is, is class over yet, when is class over, how many more minutes until class is over, etc. I think it's one of two things. Either they crave more attention or, they have just learned to tell time and are just showing off their new time telling skills. I've tried devoting a 1st or 2nd Dan, one on one with them to keep them on task. They just ask them the same questions. I've tried assigning push-ups and get back to task suggestions. I've announced verbiage like: we will finish when class is over. Gentlemen, any suggestions? Gordon Okerstrom --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "Manuel Maldonado" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 12:19:12 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] Way back "In The Day" Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I remember back in the early 70's "way back in the Day" (as my sons would say) when I started my MA training first with Hun Gar Kung-Fu, then some Egyptian Crap (dont ask some fake Karate). What I most remember was a humble yet wise Sensei named Hector Montijo. He was a 2nd Dan in Goyu- Ryu he had his Dojo on the roof of his house in Puerto Rico, (a casita maso for those of you that know what that is) anyways I remember that classes were at 5:00pm sharp and lasted seems like several hours cause it was dark when we got out....  What brings me to think of this is the Arts today are nothing but "give me $$$$ and I'll give you rank" type deal that is really getting under my skin. Sensei Montijo never "gave" us rank we earned it. Our belts were Yellow Green Brown & Black, no tape no 1/2 belts no decided or recommended nor did the belt fairy leave a belt under your pillow. Our school was soooo poor we Dyed our belts when we got promoted the sensei told us to go to Borero" in Bayamon and buy a belt or the supermarket and get some dye. He tested us every 18 to 24 months I was in his school for more than 2 1/2 years I know because I was a green belt when I left (which I sometimes regret leaving) to persue taekwon-Do with Benny Rivera. As far as I know and a lot of people have told me that to this day no one has ever gotten or earned a Black belt from the ol sensei. I went back to Puerto Rico to see him but he's old now and dosnt remember Karate or even that he is a sensei he has "ALL TIMERS" ( I have SOME TIMERS) but anyway God Bless my sensei.. to finalize Whatever happened to MA like back in Da Day.... Just remembering my youth and happy to be who I am today thanks for reading this and God Bless all of you. Master Manuel Maldonado --__--__-- Message: 12 From: "JR West" To: Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 15:59:01 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Dave Bing Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Ray Ask him sometime about being the starting point guard on the Penn State basketball team, and how they did against Dave Bing's Syracuse. For the youngsters out there, Dave Bing went on to be named one of the top 50 players in NBA history. I played the "one" in a full court box and one against Dave Bing in Syracuse on national TV, and somehow managed to hold him to 42. I always felt like I helped assure his spot in the Hall of Fame. When I was hired as an assistant coach, the first thing my new boss said was "I watched PSU play Syracuse on TV, and were you the guy who tried to cover Bing one on one"......And thanx to Ray for bringing up the highlight of my career. On a side note, I played my entire career without ever receiving a technical foul, but received my first "T" as a head collegiate coach within the first 10 seconds of my first game......Good times! JRW www.hapkido.com --__--__-- Message: 13 Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 15:04:00 -0700 From: "Bennett, Denise" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Hello Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello - I've just subscribed to the Dojang list moments ago and I'm not exactly sure how it works yet....so here's my introductory message: I have my black belt in Hapkido (1st Dan) and am excited to participate in this community. Looking forward to receiving your postings. Thanks "We've begun to raise daughters more like sons... but few have the courage to raise our sons more like our daughters." ~Gloria Steinem ============================================================================= = NOTICE - This communication may contain confidential and privileged information that is for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any viewing, copying or distribution of, or reliance on this message by unintended recipients is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. ============================================================================= = --__--__-- Message: 14 From: "Kay Ethier-Above and Beyond Language Learning" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Clock Watchers Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 17:24:32 -0500 Organization: Above and Beyond Language Learning Inc. Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi: I'm probably answering this mostly as a parent, but here is my two cents. My kids learned to tell time in about 3rd grade...at least that is when it was officially taught at school. That would be around 8 years old. Ten or 11 seems a bit old to just be learning, though I do know everybody learns at their own pace. So, assuming these kids do know how to tell time, you might guess that they are trying to draw attention to themselves (or possibly to be annoying to get out of class?). If they were my kids, I would tell them once that class was over when it is over and that we wouldn't be answering any more questions about the time. If they continued to ask, I'd ignore them. Just don't answer and keep going. (They will probably get more annoying before they realize you are serious and give up; that's where more pushups may be in order. :-) If this doesn't work in 1-2 classes, you might find someone comfortable with confronting the parents and tell them to handle their kids. It is, after all, the parents' job to teach the kids how to behave. Hope this is a bit helpful, Kay (I'm just a student, not an instructor) (and my own daughter disrupted a few classes in her 4 year old days!) -----Original Message----- From: Gordon [mailto:gordon@baes.com] Hey all, I've got a couple of kids, one about 10 years and the other 11 years old. One can't tell time very well yet, the other can tell time and is a bit of a mamma's boy. They are both sons of prominent parent students. (Yah, I know, but we all play that game to some point) These young men, one a yellow belt and one a green belt will interrupt class and ask; what time it is, is class over yet, when is class over, how many more minutes until class is over, etc. I think it's one of two things. Either they crave more attention or, they have just learned to tell time and are just showing off their new time telling skills. I've tried devoting a 1st or 2nd Dan, one on one with them to keep them on task. They just ask them the same questions. I've tried assigning push-ups and get back to task suggestions. I've announced verbiage like: we will finish when class is over. Gentlemen, any suggestions? Gordon Okerstrom --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest