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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,100 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Clock Watchers (Jye nigma) 2. video clip (Jye nigma) 3. Clock watchers (tstuff@att.net) 4. Re: Clock Watchers (Hugo Fradique) 5. Re: Tae Kwon Dance ? (ryanmcpherson@bellsouth.net) 6. RE: Way back "In The Day" (PETER.MCDONALDSMITH@london-fire.gov.uk) 7. RE: Tae Kwon Dance ? (PETER.MCDONALDSMITH@london-fire.gov.uk) 8. Re: Tae Kwon Dance ? (Ray) 9. Re: Clock Watchers (Taekwondo America) 10. RE: Clock Watchers (Amcreva Drogovah) 11. Re: RE: Clock Watchers (Tim) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 21:21:26 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Clock Watchers To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net well I just believe in dealing with actual facts and not assumptions you know? when someone does something that I don't like I ask why they did it...you know? attack problems at the source. jye Gordon wrote: Thanks Jye, Duh! Sometimes I feel like a dolt. The obvious didn't occur to me. The forest for the trees I guess. Gordon Okerstrom _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover Photo Books. You design it and we’ll bind it! --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 21:39:17 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma To: itf-taekwondo@yahoogroups.com, the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] video clip Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net http://www.jmurray3.us/newsite/wutang/video/baguaclips/WPKBC3AppF.mpeg --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. --__--__-- Message: 3 From: tstuff@att.net To: The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 06:21:26 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Clock watchers Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net It helps if the structure of the class is determined early. Tell them that for every time they ask the time they will be doing 10 more push ups, so by the 3rd time that would be thirty. it's a disrespectful way of treating your master and the other students. At that age they know how to tell time, what they are saying is, I am bored and I want to go home. It's also detrimental for them to be allowed to create that spirit in the class. The other students will wonder when they get to go home too. Also, about the bathroom breaks, make sure to tell them no breaks in class and they should make sure to go before the class, drink and do whatever you need to, unless it's an emergency. Taty http://www.beholders.org Body, Mind and Spirit --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Hugo Fradique" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Clock Watchers Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 10:53:31 -0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Songahm! This is my first post so, let me present myself. My name is Hugo Casimiro, I'm a 1st Dan Black Belt student of Taekwondo Songahm, in Portugal. I've just finished my instructor course and I´m eager to start teaching on my own. Anyway, about this question, I helped teach in a kids class for about one and a half years (it´s part of our instructors exam) and rememeber this one kid, veeeery lazy, who told me one time "I really dont want to be here. My parents make me come here.". He didnt disturb much and he did whatever we asked him to, but he had no enthusiams in class and didnt enjoy it as much as the other kids did. Some kids just arent meant to be on a martial arts class - they dont like it! Their parents should be told that and find other activities their kids enjoy better. In your case, I think you should ask them directly - "Do you enjoy being here? Do you like martial arts?" Its easy to see if they are being sincere. Ask them direct yes or no questions. Dont ask them "why do you do this" kind of questions as they will probably answer you a different thing... Be sincere with them and they'll be sincere with you. If they do like martial arts, they are just craving for attention, i guess. Its a difficult age. Be pacient with them. In that case, the solutions proposed seem a good option. Take an extra time and talk to them after class. Good luck with your teaching!!! Warm regards, Hugo. PS: Any Songahm students out there? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jye nigma" To: Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Clock Watchers > maybe they don't want to take martial arts. I'd suggest asking them why > they do what they do in class. > > jye > > > Gordon wrote: > Hey all, > > I've got a couple of kids, one about 10 years and the other 11 years old. > One can't tell time very well yet, the other can tell time and is a bit of > a > mamma's boy. They are both sons of prominent parent students. (Yah, I > know, but we all play that game to some point) > > These young men, one a yellow belt and one a green belt will interrupt > class > and ask; what time it is, is class over yet, when is class over, how many > more minutes until class is over, etc. I think it's one of two things. > Either they crave more attention or, they have just learned to tell time > and > are just showing off their new time telling skills. > > I've tried devoting a 1st or 2nd Dan, one on one with them to keep them on > task. They just ask them the same questions. > > I've tried assigning push-ups and get back to task suggestions. > > I've announced verbiage like: we will finish when class is over. > > Gentlemen, any suggestions? > > Gordon Okerstrom > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 5 From: To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Tae Kwon Dance ? Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 08:29:45 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I''m wondering if its an offshoot of TaeKwonDo aerobics? Kind of an TaeBo dance style or something? I know the students of Yong In university in Korea do the aerobics, and in my opinion its actually kind of cool. I have video of it if anyone is interested. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray" To: "The_Dojang" Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 2:02 PM Subject: [The_Dojang] Tae Kwon Dance ? > Ok now, hold the jokes... > > There is apparently a "United State Tae Kwon Dance Association". > > Is anyone familiar with Tae Kwon Dance? I had never heard of it before. > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 6 Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Way back "In The Day" Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 13:31:40 -0000 From: To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Master Maldonado, I lived in PR 90-92. I loved it. Never did any training out there but I do know all about those flat roofs. Dios te bendiga -----Original Message----- From: Manuel Maldonado [mailto:sudomakki2003@hotmail.com] Sent: 06 January 2006 20:19 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Way back "In The Day" I remember back in the early 70's "way back in the Day" (as my sons would say) when I started my MA training first with Hun Gar Kung-Fu, then some Egyptian Crap (dont ask some fake Karate). What I most remember was a humble yet wise Sensei named Hector Montijo. He was a 2nd Dan in Goyu- Ryu he had his Dojo on the roof of his house in Puerto Rico, (a casita maso for those of you that know what that is) anyways I remember that classes were at 5:00pm sharp and lasted seems like several hours cause it was dark when we got out....  What brings me to think of this is the Arts today are nothing but "give me $$$$ and I'll give you rank" type deal that is really getting under my skin. Sensei Montijo never "gave" us rank we earned it. Our belts were Yellow Green Brown & Black, no tape no 1/2 belts no decided or recommended nor did the belt fairy leave a belt under your pillow. Our school was soooo poor we Dyed our belts when we got promoted the sensei told us to go to Borero" in Bayamon and buy a belt or the supermarket and get some dye. He tested us every 18 to 24 months I was in his school for more than 2 1/2 years I know because I was a green belt when I left (which I sometimes regret leaving) to persue taekwon-Do with Benny Rivera. As far as I know and a lot of people have told me that to this day no one has ever gotten or earned a Black belt from the ol sensei. I went back to Puerto Rico to see him but he's old now and dosnt remember Karate or even that he is a sensei he has "ALL TIMERS" ( I have SOME TIMERS) but anyway God Bless my sensei.. to finalize Whatever happened to MA like back in Da Day.... Just remembering my youth and happy to be who I am today thanks for reading this and God Bless all of you. Master Manuel Maldonado _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang **************************************************************************** SMOKE ALARMS SAVE LIVES Go to London Fire at www.london-fire.gov.uk/firesafety This email is confidential to the addressee only. If you do not believe that you are the intended addressee, do not use, pass on or copy it in any way. If you have received it in error, please delete it immediately and telephone the supplied number, reversing the charges if necessary. --__--__-- Message: 7 Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Tae Kwon Dance ? Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 13:36:13 -0000 From: To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have heard of a Tae Kwon Do dance. I read an article on it last year. Apparently its quite formal. Only in south Korea though -----Original Message----- From: Ray [mailto:rterry@idiom.com] Sent: 06 January 2006 19:03 To: The_Dojang Subject: [The_Dojang] Tae Kwon Dance ? Ok now, hold the jokes... There is apparently a "United State Tae Kwon Dance Association". Is anyone familiar with Tae Kwon Dance? I had never heard of it before. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang **************************************************************************** SMOKE ALARMS SAVE LIVES Go to London Fire at www.london-fire.gov.uk/firesafety This email is confidential to the addressee only. If you do not believe that you are the intended addressee, do not use, pass on or copy it in any way. If you have received it in error, please delete it immediately and telephone the supplied number, reversing the charges if necessary. --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Tae Kwon Dance ? To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 06:40:22 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net More info on this Tae Kwon Dance. Is was apparently founded by Dr. Joel M. Siegel, who claims a 10th Dan. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 08:59:21 -0600 From: Taekwondo America To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Clock Watchers Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I also believe that the kids are trying to get attention. Some kids just need to be straight-out told: "You are being rude." However, the underlying problem is that these kids believe that they aren't getting enough attention from the adults in their lives. Every child needs to feel special and important. Ignoring the kids won't make this behavior go away; they will just substitute clock-watching for something else. Maybe something more dangerous. Here's my solution: Assign the kids a kicking drill with a timer that you have set for two minutes. Make it something they have done before so that it's easy. Have the clock-watcher be in charge of the timer. "Johnny, when this goes off, you push this button twice and that's when everyone will switch legs." Then you can either watch and correct, or go work with other kids in another part of the room. You can do the same thing with forms. "Okay, everybody grab some mat and start work on your forms. You have [Instructor pushes button] FIVE MINUTES! Danny, you're in charge of the timer when it goes off." They will be amazed at how long five minutes is when they know their form, and how short it is when they don't! Cheryl Rogers Beginner Coordinator Taekwondo America --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Amcreva Drogovah" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 13:19:45 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Clock Watchers Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello Sir, At our TKD school we have a program dealing with kids after-school untill about 5:30 PM. At this age, (7-11 years of age) Assigning push-ups sometimes does the trick. However, with some stuents who see it as a slight, worthless punishment, lines do very well, assigning them at home is also a good way to show the parents that they should remind the kids not to intterupt the class. The first offence should be a warning like "Don't do that again or I will assign lines." the second time they do it depending on the severity of the issue we assign about 50 lines. Next step is 100 and then, using discretion increasing it everytime the disruption happens. Perhaps also suggest drinking more water. Or tell them to bring a watch to class and set it on their water bottle so during water break they can check the time themselves. However The lines would be something like ... 'I will not disrupt the class when the instuctor is speaking' "I will show my self control and not speak during class." However, if they aere being very polite about asking the time by bowing to you, or raiseing their hand, your responce should remain the same. Eventually they will stop asking, because they never receive an anwser.   Prosperity and Inner Happiness, Amcreva ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Take the effort out of being organized with MSN® Calendar. MSN Premium: Join now and get the first two months FREE* --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "Tim" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE: Clock Watchers Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 12:35:30 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net At our school, the Master moved the clock to the lobby so it can only be seen from one point in the dojang. That seemed to stop the problem. Goodluck, Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amcreva Drogovah" To: Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 12:19 PM Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Clock Watchers > Hello Sir, > > At our TKD school we have a program dealing with kids after-school untill > about 5:30 PM. At this age, (7-11 years of age) Assigning push-ups > sometimes does the trick. However, with some stuents who see it as a > slight, worthless punishment, lines do very well, assigning them at home > is also a good way to show the parents that they should remind the kids > not to intterupt the class. The first offence should be a warning like > "Don't do that again or I will assign lines." the second time they do it > depending on the severity of the issue we assign about 50 lines. Next > step is 100 and then, using discretion increasing it everytime the > disruption happens. > > Perhaps also suggest drinking more water. Or tell them to bring a watch > to class and set it on their water bottle so during water break they can > check the time themselves. > > However The lines would be something like ... > > 'I will not disrupt the class when the instuctor is speaking' > > "I will show my self control and not speak during class." > > However, if they aere being very polite about asking the time by bowing > to you, or raiseing their hand, your responce should remain the same. > Eventually they will stop asking, because they never receive an anwser. > > > > Prosperity and Inner Happiness, > > Amcreva > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Take the effort out of being organized with MSN® Calendar. 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