Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 16:09:20 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 13 #18 - 12 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,100 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Re: video clip: arnis/kempo (jakskru) 2. Create an annoyance and go to jail (tkdtom) 3. teaching what you can't do (Gordon) 4. Re: New Year's Eve in Seoul - oops (aburrese@aol.com) 5. teaching what you cant do (craftgenius@juno.com) 6. RE: teaching what you can't do (Jye nigma) 7. Re: video clip: arnis/kempo (Stovall, Craig) 8. Master John Godwin's TSD (Dunn, Danny J GARRISON) 9. RE: teaching what you can't do (Jye nigma) 10. RE: Martial arts machine to perfect your skill (Jye nigma) 11. A ?, or 2, for the group. (C. Bonner) 12. Re: A ?, or 2, for the group. (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "jakskru" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: video clip: arnis/kempo Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 15:29:09 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net one of my teachers teaches us to do the overkill with the finishes...reason: what if your first strike doesn't work? dont you want to be conditioned to keep going if you have to? you can always stop as soon as your finish IS effective. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brooke Thomas" To: Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 1:10 PM Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: video clip: arnis/kempo > Ahhh Kempo...the art where I smash you 5 times in the > gut, flip you onto your head, strike your neck 5 > times, stomp your head, kick you in the groin, and > THEN give you 5 finishing blows (all at blinding > speed)! > > We had a demo at our school a few years ago and it > seemed that each counter had at least 35 strikes in > it. Nothing wrong with it I guess but it just seemed > like beating a "dead horse." > > :-) > > Brooke Thomas > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "tkdtom" To: Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 15:55:32 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Create an annoyance and go to jail Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Annoying someone via the Internet is now a federal crime. It's no joke. Last Thursday, President Bush signed into law a prohibition on posting annoying Web messages or sending annoying e-mail messages without disclosing your true identity. See the following link for the complete article http://news.com.com/Create+an+e-annoyance,+go+to+jail/2010-1028_3-6022491.htm l?part=rss&tag=6022491&subj=news p.s. I hope I did not annoy anyone Tom Kennelly 2nd Dan ICHF 2nd Dan USCDKA --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Gordon" To: Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 15:05:45 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] teaching what you can't do Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Tomlinson, LOL! Bet you don't hardly ever have to armor-all your keyboard! Gordon Okerstrom --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 16:43:03 -0500 From: aburrese@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: New Year's Eve in Seoul - oops Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Oops, I meant New Year's Eve 1996/97 not next year's 06/07. Maybe I'm just thinking of going back.... Alain www.burrese.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "craftgenius@juno.com" Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 21:42:48 GMT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] teaching what you cant do Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have been thinking that myself. I have had an opportunity to teach a form to some other students. I am a wheelchair user and a 9th gup in Soo bahk Do and was asked by my instructor to teach a 7th gup (who doesnt use a wheelchair) Chil Sung 2, a form that is required for that gup level and I learned it early. I know the from as a sitting person and had to think of how a standing person would do it, the only things that were different were a few stances and the turns. I had to ask how they turn from facing one way with an attack to facing a different way with a block, and then stances with kicking. with practice and training anyone could teach techniques that they physically are unable to do themselves. Yong Gi Roller --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 13:45:26 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] teaching what you can't do To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net lol...you're a wild man. but seriously. Don't we all expect our instructors to be able to do what we are training to do? Imagine going to college to learn advanced mathematics and your professor can't add...lol. Jye michael tomlinson wrote: We watch the video of it while we are at the KFC buffet...I find that if you can eat 20 pieces of chicken, mashed potatos, cole slaw and apple pie then there is NO technique you can't TALK about... Michael Tomlinson (eating chicken and talking about hapkido right now) oh snap...I forgot about the honey and butter bisquits!!!! _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover Photo Books. You design it and we’ll bind it! --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 15:48:33 -0600 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: video clip: arnis/kempo Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<>> As with anything...it's only as good or bad as the person doing it. However, all martial arts have their inherent strengths and weaknesses, and here are some points I've garnered about kempo. 1. Good. They really seem to stress combos. This is great since you see so many students fighting with single techniques. The stringing together of multiple techniques is a sign of a great fighter, and most kempo systems stress this point early on. 2. Bad. IMHO, many of the kempo systems have unrealistic assumptions concerning combative behavior and physiology. I'm sorry, but if I can get the guy to stand there frozen in the Mortal Kombat fatality pose after the first block, then there's really no need to pimp slap him 45 times over the next 5 seconds. I've seen the "one steps on speed and roids" routine from the kempo folks so many times that it's grown a bit tiresome. It's just not grounded in reality. 3. Bad. I also don't like their power theory. I used to cross train with a kempo black belt and everything he did was based on speed. Yeah, it was pure hell for point fighting, but he couldn't knock the skin off of a three egged pudding. Too much hand movement that's independent of the hips and shoulders, IMHO. Very flashy, but you've got to let the hips and shoulders lay the weight on them in order to have a real effect. Otherwise, it's like Ruth Buzzy trying to knock the dust off of you with her feather purse. Looks like you're getting beat up, but nothing happens that a hair comb and some gel won't fix. 4. Good. Uniforms...black uniforms are just COOL. 5. Good. They stress some fairly realistic kicking. Lots of low kicks and pretty liberal with the stomps. This is almost a neutral point for me since I'm a firm believer that you can be an awesome fighter without knowing any kicking at all (yes, I said that on a KMA list...sue me), BUT I give them the points since low kicking has become almost a lost art when you start looking at most modern karate/TKD circles. 6. Good. As Chris Rock would say...KEEPIN' IT REAL!!! Yeah, most of them seem to have a solid orientation toward self-defense, and I give anyone points for this. However, the point is almost neutral for me since so much of what they do is based around "mannequin fighting". 7. Good. Most of the ranks I've come across really seemed to possess some skill, and you can tell they worked for their belt. The whole "5-year-old Black Belt" thing doesn't seem to be as rampant in kempo as it has happened in TKD over the last few decades, so they get some Craig points for that. 8. Bad. Elvis Presley. I'm sure everyone remembers those horrible martial gyrations that Big E used to do on stage. I guess that was kempo dancing. All the kempo people must now do 20 push-ups to atone for that travesty. --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 17:20:26 -0600 From: "Dunn, Danny J GARRISON" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Master John Godwin's TSD Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jerry, I can't really say I am familiar with Master John Godwin's schools, (I am in Alabama) however I do know Master Godwin and have known him for several years. I also know several of his instructors, but I couldn't get into his website right now to see which ones teach at which locations. Master Godwin is an excellent martial artist and instructor, and I know that several of his instructors which are also masters are likewise very good martial artists. I personally trust Master Godwin and would have no qualms in recommending his schools. Master Godwin is 6th dan Tang Soo Do under KJN Shin Jae Chul and 5th Dan (I believe) Sin Moo Hapkido under KJN Ji Han Jae. Danny Dunn <<<<<<<>>>>>>>>> --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 13:49:18 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] teaching what you can't do To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net well that is slightly different. They are honing the skills these guys already have. But what if the coach can't perform a layup to save his life and I come along as a newbie not knowing how to play bball at all, and have to learn how to do a layup...lol. and physically he can't show me by doing it himself. Jye Rick Clark wrote: How does Bobby Knight or other football, basketball, baseball coaches teach skills that they can not perform? Rick Clark "I am not young enough to know everything." - Oscar Wilde www.ao-denkou-kai.org >-----Original Message----- >From: Jye nigma [mailto:kingjye@yahoo.com] >Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 1:16 PM >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [The_Dojang] teaching what you can't do > > >I just thought of a question. This question is with respect >and to mainly older teachers. > > How do you teach something that you can't do. For instance, >let's say there is a technique that you can't do due to >physical reasons, like a jumping split kick into a forward >kick. If you yourself are physically unable to do it how do >you teach others to do it? I hope I worded this correctly. I >thought of this question because I was thinking about obese >teachers who teach martial arts and can't do some things >because of their weight problem. > > Jye > > > >--------------------------------- >Yahoo! Photos > Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in >your hands ASAP. _______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover Photo Books. You design it and we’ll bind it! --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 13:51:39 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Martial arts machine to perfect your skill To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net lol...sure hope that arm isn't detachable...lol Jye michael tomlinson wrote: Hey Ray, that first picture of the martial arm kind of reminded me of myself!!!! LOL if you believe that one...I'll leave the visual up to the individuals... Michael Tomlinson --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover Photo Books. You design it and we’ll bind it! --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "C. Bonner" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 16:04:17 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] A ?, or 2, for the group. Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net 1. How do you you pronounce the Tae, in Tae Kwon-Do? The way way it is spelled, or like most everyone else in America with a Tie sound instead. I pronounce it Tae. just like it is spelled, even tho for a lot of year's i pronounced it with a Tie sound. I did not learn to pronounce it correctly, until i started training with Korean's. I have also met Korean instructors who pronounce it Tie, but they told me that they do because, thats the way Americans wan't to do it. 2. Kwon? From what i understand it should be pronounced more like Gwon. 3. How about Hapkido? with a hap, or a hop sound.   Most Korean's just let us say this stuff wrong, without telling us.Because were know it all westerner's ;-) I think we should at least try to pronounce this stuff correctly! Clint (pretending to know it all) Bonner   --__--__-- Message: 12 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] A ?, or 2, for the group. To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 16:00:37 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > 3. How about Hapkido? with a hap, or a hop sound. Hop. I must say I haven't heard is pronounced as Hap-key-dough very often, unlike hearing Tie Kwon Dough most of the time. You're right on TKD. I'll hear Koreans frequently say it incorrectly until they hear you say it the right way. Similar situation to "Choi" as in General Choi. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest