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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,100 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. John Godwin (tangsoo@casemartialarts.com) 2. Mike Tomlinson (JR West) 3. Re: teaching what you can't do (masterm1) 4. Teaching what you can't do (Curt McCauley) 5. Re: Mike's purple spandex... (ABurrese@aol.com) 6. How do you teach something that you can't do. (Jenny Chen) 7. Re: Demonstrating the undoable (sidtkd@aol.com) 8. teaching what you can't do (rich hodder) 9. Journal of Asian Martial Arts (Burdick, Dakin Robert) 10. Re: Stuart Quan passes away (ISA Headquarters) 11. Re: elvis and Kempo (Michael Whalen) 12. Re: Re: elvis and Kempo (Ray) 13. Pronounciation (Bob Banham) 14. Teaching (rwood) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:56:10 -0600 (CST) From: tangsoo@casemartialarts.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] John Godwin Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Those of us that know John Godwin know that he is a true Master Instructor, a true Martial Artist and a respected member of the business community. Personally, he's a great guy who is approachable and always willing to share his knowledge. He's the one to watch in a group of Masters doing hyungs and I've never heard any of his students complain about him or his Dojangs (I've had a couple of transfers over the years). Kevin Case Oh Dan --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "JR West" To: Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 21:23:13 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Mike Tomlinson Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mike, my brother: "for example: and please don't take any offense from this anyone....take J.R. West for example...he is, might I say, just a little older than me...." I have WRINKLES older than you! And I didn't get this old by being stupid! ( add to that the fact that I NEVER could do a 540 kick ) "The only thing I have to armor-all is my purple spandex taekwondo dance dobok...that thing is really hard to get off after I do my dance routine!!" OUCH! There are some pictures that I just really don't need to have in my mind........ J. R West www.hapkido.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "masterm1" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] teaching what you can't do Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 16:09:54 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jye You have some great videos and I really enjoy them. keep pumping them out.Now on to your question. We are all born with an imagination and an interest in certain thing we see throughout our lives and the sheer force of will or determination regarding things we want to do or impart to others. When two humans want to make something happen bad enough there is almost know stopping them. Most young bodies are very pliable and very flexible and God knows forgiving and there is never a shortage of these young hungry warriors to take up the banner and charge with it. So you teach your first second and third groups of blackbelts in your youth so they can see how you do it and they mimic you. Then they become instructors and you use them to teach until they move away. If you've taught them well they will come back as adults to get the mental side and they train with your present students and become like living legends to your new students and bring them up to and advanced level for you. I have had students of my students come to me and I help them and they help me. I have been training in Taekwondo for about 35 years and Hapkido for about 14 years and I have gone through at least six instructor training programs and at one time I could do everything my instructors asked and that is the most important aspect to have done it and lived it and to have had lots of conversations with the Grandmasters I have been fortunate enough to study with. I stayed with them long enough to see how their instructional life cycle progressed but most people are not fortunate or patient enough to remain loyal that long so they only see the physical side and move on. Now on to your example everything is done step by step white belt in my school learn basic standing front kick, side kick and twisting kick and continue to this series of techniques in various combinations until the reach blue belt. Then I teach each kick and explain the jumping technique that goes with it one student will always get it right and I will make that person the example. Red belt is when we start to progress to double aerial kicks then I sit on the floor with them and demonstrate I the technique without speed or power and then they take it from there with pads, boards, tests, and demonstrations. Lasty my instructors felt you should go through the following basic fazes as you come up in martial arts student, warrior, instructor, master and grandmaster. Master M. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jye nigma" To: Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 1:15 PM Subject: [The_Dojang] teaching what you can't do > I just thought of a question. This question is with respect and to mainly older teachers. > > How do you teach something that you can't do. For instance, let's say there is a technique that you can't do due to physical reasons, like a jumping split kick into a forward kick. If you yourself are physically unable to do it how do you teach others to do it? I hope I worded this correctly. I thought of this question because I was thinking about obese teachers who teach martial arts and can't do some things because of their weight problem. > > Jye > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Photos > Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 20:32:09 -0800 From: "Curt McCauley" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Teaching what you can't do Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net How do you teach something that you can't do. For instance, let's say there is a technique that you can't do due to physical reasons, like a jumping split kick into a forward kick. If you yourself are physically unable to do it how do you teach others to do it? I hope I worded this correctly. I thought of this question because I was thinking about obese teachers who teach martial arts and can't do some things because of their weight problem. I am in my early 60's I cannot jump as high as I used to, I cannot move as fast either. (but I still love it!!!) Luckily I do have some much younger students who can do all of the aerial stuff very well, but they learned it from me. I explain the dynamics as much as possible, I demonstrate to the best of my ability, and say something like" this is how a 60+ year old does it. They listen, I critique, they make it better and make it work. I also have made sure that these people meet others who are able to demonstrate well and tell my students to record and copy what they see. Now during class, I am able to have those students demonstrate, after I have demonstrated mine. I hope this helps. Curt McCauley --__--__-- Message: 5 From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 00:13:47 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Mike's purple spandex... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The only thing I have to armor-all is my purple spandex taekwondo dance dobok...that thing is really hard to get off after I do my dance routine!! LOL Michael Tomlinson ********************************** Where's my fork..... I had almost gotten that picture out of my head. Need to stab my eyes out again..... Alain www.burrese.com Alain --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Jenny Chen" To: Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 00:54:16 -0800 Organization: Vanzebo Laser Subject: [The_Dojang] How do you teach something that you can't do. Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net well....you teach it the best you can as you think it should be done. For example, In gymnastics, I've been trying to learn how to kip on the low bar on uneven bars for over a year. I know how it's supposed to be done. the teacher's explained it many times. and i think i can feel how it's supposed to be done when he spots me while I'm doing it. But, for the life of me, I just can't do it my myself. But somehow I was able to teach someone else to do it successfully. Maybe they have a better timing or more strength than i do. Same goes for the back handspring. I can only do it with spotting.and i could describe what you're supposed to do. but i couldn't do it myself. And then for some people, they might lose respect for you in some way becuase you can't do it....and some people don't care and they will thank you anyway since you helped them see it from a different perspective. in taekwondo, hapkido or other martial arts, if you can spot at all, it helps. Also try to describe what it should feel like or look like in as many ways as you can. seeing it demonstrated from different angles helps as well. For me, learning a hapkido or aikido move as an "uke" (i don't know the korean term) is very hard, I just don't get it nearly as well when someone does the technique on me. I have to do it alongside the instructor and mirror him/her. But I digress... I hope this helps somewhat. Jenny solar_cat@comcast.net --__--__-- Message: 7 From: sidtkd@aol.com Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:01:37 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Demonstrating the undoable Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have students that have asked me to demonstrate a 540 degree spinning kick. After gails of uncontrolled laughter I told them that the only way I copuld do that is if I were on a motorized lazy-susan turntable with an assistnat holding my leg up as the platform turned. I've seen to date three or four young guys that did that well, a few more that a scissor kick effectively. I regrettably haven't met too many that can do everything well. Sid --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "rich hodder" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:21:18 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] teaching what you can't do Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Johnny Weismeuller (the person most think of as the original Tarzan) set an Olympic and World record in the 50 Freestyle (Austrailian Crawl) that lasted on the record books for nearly 50 years. His coach didn't know how to swim at all. One of the best instuctors in Denver years ago did not have most of his left arm. You have to wonder how he taught any double hand techniques????? nuff said, Rich _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:28:07 -0500 From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Journal of Asian Martial Arts Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net For those who may not know, I'm an Associate Editor at the Journal of Asian Martial Arts (http://www.goviamedia.com/), a quarterly peer-reviewed journal that has been around for more than a decade. If people are interested in publishing scholarly articles on the Korean martial arts, JAMA is a great venue. So if you are interested in publishing a research paper on the Korean arts, please contact me and let's start working to get it done. Sincerely, Dakin Burdick, Ph.D. Indiana University-Purdue University Indianapolis dakinburdick@yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "ISA Headquarters" To: Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:51:30 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Stuart Quan passes away Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net http://stuartquan.com/ Respectfully, George I. Petrotta ISA Director www.sungjado.org/ isahdq@sc.rr.com --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "Michael Whalen" To: "dojang digest" Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:53:03 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: elvis and Kempo Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net ">8. Bad. Elvis Presley. I'm sure everyone remembers those >horrible martial gyrations that Big E used to do on stage. I guess that >was kempo dancing. All the kempo people must now do 20 push-ups to >atone for that travesty." The wife and I , on a cross country jaunt a couple of years ago, did the Graceland Tour and they promote him as being 5th or 6th dan....... I laughed so hard I crossed a sensor and set off the alarms. michael whalen KSWnut --__--__-- Message: 12 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: elvis and Kempo To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:06:37 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > ">8. Bad. Elvis Presley. I'm sure everyone remembers those > >horrible martial gyrations that Big E used to do on stage. I guess that > >was kempo dancing. All the kempo people must now do 20 push-ups to > >atone for that travesty." > > The wife and I , on a cross country jaunt a couple of years ago, did the > Graceland Tour and they promote him as being 5th or 6th dan....... > I laughed so hard I crossed a sensor and set off the alarms. I don't think it was Ed Parker, perhaps it was Kang Rhee ?? that promoted Elvis to 8th Dan. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 13 From: "Bob Banham" To: Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:27:33 -0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Pronounciation Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Surely this is a debatable point. Language changes over time, particularly when 'imported' from another culture. Take the word 'basil' meaning the culinary herb. In Europe we pronounce it 'bazzil', in US you pronounce it 'bayzil'. Which is correct? The answer must be that both are, depending on where you are from. In UK we have scores of dialects some totally unintelligible to others but they are all considered English and then there are the Welsh, the Scots and the Irish...... In my own region of Norfolk they would pronounce taekwondo as 'tykwondoo' We know what they mean even if a Korean (or a Scotsman) may not! Bob --__--__-- Message: 14 From: "rwood" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:35:23 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Teaching Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jye, We have this guy Named Fernando (3rd Dan, Certified Instructor), his kicks are awe inspiring. His kicks are so high he seems to defy gravity; and speed of the kicks generates near gale force winds in the dojang. Ok, I exaggerate…a little. This guy can demo any kick in the style (Tae Kwon Do) with accuracy of technique, grace, and power. I take nothing away from him. He is a wonderful instructor. Another instructor in our schools is named Mark (3rd Dan, Certified Instructor). Mark and have a lot in common. We are both built like fireplugs, we do not have a 3 foot vertical leap, and kicking is a chore. As a Yellow and Green Belt I have sparred with Mark’s student on a number of occasions. I can tell you that they are great kickers. Edison claims not to have failed 2000 times when attempting to perfect the incandesce light bulb, he just learn 2000 way not to make a light bulb. Like Edison, Mark has learned the right way to kick. While Fernando’s kicks are truly something to behold, I feel that Mark’s tenacity and patience enables him to connect and cultivate students like myself, who struggle with a particular part of the Art. IMHO people need to be able to “connect” with those whom they are teaching in some way. Be it the “did that got the t-shirt”; “paid my dues on the mat”; etc. Learn from those who came before, don’t be fooled by ability alone. Please remember that wisdom, experience, and humility come with the price tag of age. IHS, Rob Wood --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest