Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 03:01:47 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 13 #25 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,100 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Back on the mat after a break (Mark Andrews) 2. RE: video clip; tkd sparring (Boit Clinton Capt AF/DPMP) 3. RE: Black Belt Motivation (J R Hilland) 4. Blocking (FRANK CLAY) 5. KHF Newsletter #3 (Ray) 6. Special One-Day Seminar (John Merwin) 7. Hello to the French (Gladewater SooBahkDo) 8. HCHwang video (craftgenius@juno.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 04:01:54 -0800 From: Mark Andrews To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Back on the mat after a break Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Everyone, I'd like to introduce myself (Hi, my name's Mark) and pose a few questions. I am coming back on the mat after a long break. I am also strongly considering changing styles. Here is my long story short. I started training in Sept. 1997. I took all the discipline I lacked in one big dose, and trained in Danzan Ryu Jujitsu for 18 months. It was a blast! And the transformative part of the experience was dropping from 237 lbs to 212 in 11 months. The secret? Portion control in eating and galling amounts of hard work. My Sensei was a BIG believer in "lots" - lots of situps, pushups, jumping jacks, agility drills, fireman's carries (carrying partner across the mat, well, until you couldn't move any more). For close to an hour. Then cool down for 5 minutes and do jujitsu for an hour. I made 5th kyu and started on 4th, only to have the dojo close. It was based at a local school, in an adult school program. I guess the school district didn't want to be in the martial arts business anymore, and what a shame. So, in Apr. 1999 I changed styles to Aikikai Aikido. The dojo was part of the California Aikido Association. Technically the dojo was for profit, but it was run by a 30+ year Aikido practitioner as a sole proprietorship. The dojo cho was (and is) a 5th dan and an excellent person and teacher all 'round. There was a great group of people to practice with. My teachers were all active martial arts students in their own right, working with teachers senior to them in and out of Aikido - what a great example, especially to new students. I advanced a kyu rank a year, which was a good pace for me. I advanced to 3rd kyu and tested twice for 2nd kyu, and was invited to keep training. It was hard not being promoted, but I had to trust my teachers that, however much I thought I new, they weren't seeing their teaching reflected in my practice. So I kept training, up to the point I had 300+ training days on the mat after 3rd kyu. Then came some life changes, and I stopped training entirely. Over the last two years my wife and I got a foster parenting license, and we became foster parents and then adopted. With children came the desire to buy a home and find a new job to pay for it. All those things came to be - children, job, home - and my wonderful wife encouraging me to get back on the mat. There is a dojang 3 miles from my house. One of the styles taught at the school is Combat Hapkido. I met with the Master last night and I will try a class tonight. We discussed my motivation for training and I said I have two reasons. The "outer" reason is to lose 10 lbs (at least). The inner reason is to recover the joy of being a sincere student again. When asked if I wanted to test, and see if my skills were enough for some rank in CH, I said no, thanks, I want to start from the beginning. If I have any skill as a martial artist that will become apparent. More than likely I have a lot of un-learning to do before I can learn again. I am willing to let that happen. As for rank, that will come in time. I am in no hurry to be promoted. I hope to grow deep, deep roots in this new art over the next 5 - 7 years. Does anyone have similar experience moving from a Japanese art to a Korean one? Or with plateaus in training and moving past them? I'd appreciate your guidance. A virtual bow to all, Mark Andrews --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:03:04 -0500 From: "Boit Clinton Capt AF/DPMP" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: video clip; tkd sparring Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have been out of the Olympic style sparring for a few years, but what is the deal with that knock-out that was on the video clip?! Is it common practice to give someone a standing-8 count when the person is clearly out and is practically dead???? I would think that as soon as the person hit the ground, it was clear that medical attention was needed. Am I wrong here? Clint --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "J R Hilland" To: Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 07:18:50 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Black Belt Motivation Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I for one saw a great deal of new material after my chodan in the late 70's and I still learn new material. It was exactly like you stated: "Often because they expect to see a lot of new material and be treated like a student once they get their 1st Dan." If this was not the case, maybe they should consider changing dojang? Jere R. Hilland www.HapkidoSelfDefense.com << To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:07:44 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Blocking Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have had the honor to train with several Koreans. Among them Dong, Seung Goo and Pak, Ho Sik (to name only a very few). To a master, you were instructed to keep your hands up and if you had a question about why, they'd generally be happy to illustrate the point (not that they injure students or do anything malicious). Frank --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 07:54:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] KHF Newsletter #3 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >From: John Johnson >Subject: KHF Newsletter #3 >Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 03:17:43 -0800 (PST) > > KHF Visits Columbia > KHF Planning Director Gimm June traveled to Cali, Columbia for nearly >two weeks in November 2005. Director Gimm met several high-ranking KHF >members including Master Cha Yng Ho, Master Rodruguez (6 dan), and numerous >other black belts and students during his visit to Columbia. > > Director Gimm also met with KHF leaders from Bogota and Medellin as well >as KHF leaders from Panama and Venezuela to help promote and organize the >KHF in all their countries. Some of Director Gimm’s achievements during his >meetings include the upcoming formation of a testing board and discussions >on how to properly educate the hapkido-in in Columbia. > > During his layover in Toronto, Director Gimm was able to meet with KHF >instructor Dayo Odesanya and Msster . Instructor Dayo informed Director >Gimm about the hapkido community in Toronto and Canada in general. Although >his visit was brief, Director Gimm gained a wealth of knowledge while >strengthening the relationship between the KHF main office and Canadian >hapkido-in. > > Some Master won a prize to promote KHF. Their listing are below : > Master Yong Ho Cha Lee > Master Song Il Park > Dr. Martin Guiliero Rebellon > Master Livio Balocco > Mster Jose Oyola > Mster Alfoso Rodruguez > Master Kyoung Sik Kim > > > New International Procedures for the KHF > This month the KHF is announcing a dramatic new change in its handling >of international affairs. It is replacing the old national or regional >directorial system with that of national governing organization (NGO). > > Although still in its infancy stages, this major overhaul of KHF >international affairs division will help eliminate most of the problems >currently affecting our members worldwide. > > While no NGOs have been formed yet, the KHF is planning to contact its >members who have displayed loyalty and integrity over several years to >represent the federation in their countries. Unlike the old system where >those interested in becoming directors contacted the KHF office directly >for a directorial position, the KHF office will contact its own members >internally. Therefore, no one should contact the KHF about forming a NGO. > > When more information is available about the exact nature, structure, >and responsibilities of these NGOs, the KHF will announce it through this >newsletter and other electronic means. > > KHF Syllabus and Testing Requirement News > Due to the numerous requests from around the world, the KHF is hard at >work preparing a new syllabus and testing requirements for its members. The >ultimate goals of these works is to help unite the KHF communities and to >ensure proper instruction of hapkido. > > The KHF syllabus will require an extensive amount of time to complete >since many top masters must approve it before final publication. Progress, >however, is moving steadily forward. Director Gimm June recently handed >over a 16-page document to International Testing Chairman, Master Ryo Chun >Hee, for review. > > Previously, instructors and masters instinctively knew what to look for >in black applicants. With the recent the worldwide growth of hapkido, >written documentation is necessary to ensure proper instruction to KHF >members. > > > KHF Black Belt Tests > The KHF main office located in Children's Grand National Park in Seoul >holds monthly rank examinations at its offices. Only first through third >degree black belt (or dan) candidates are tested at these examinations >since instructors are allowed to test their own students up to 1 gup (red >belt). Rank examinations for 4th dan and higher are held periodically >throughout the year. > > All students are expected to demonstrate proficient knowledge of >self-defense techniques (ho-shin-sul), falling (nak-bop), and kicking >(bal-ch-gi) for their desired ranks during the monthly examinations. The >rank examiners usually consists of 9th or 8th dan masters, but occasionally >7th dan masters are invited to oversee the tests to gain experience. > > The rank examiners are very strict in their decisions and occasionally >fail some applicants who do not meet their standards. Some of the skills >they look for include fluidity in motion, confidence in skill, and general >ability to execute the techniques properly. > > Several hundred more examinees test throughout Korea at their regional >headquarters as well. While stressful, these rank tests allow all >hapkido-in to demonstrate the skills their masters have passed on to them. > > For more information about testing in Korea, please contact Director >Gimm June at koreamudo@korea.com. > > KHF Certificates > Due to previous confusion over which certificates are honored by the >Korea Hapkido Federation, KHF President Oh Se Lim has decided to recognize >only the following types of certificates: > > > KHF Dan (Black Belt) Certificates > KHF Master Certificates (Received only after earning a 4th degree black >belt) > KHF Master Training Course Certificates (Received only after completing >the annual KHF course) > KHF Letters of Appointment (Given only to individuals who hold >organizational positions in the KHF Headquarters) > > Readers should note that previous national or regional directorial >positions are now nullified since new international procedures are >currently being implemented (see related article). > > Night for Hapkido-In > On December 10th the Korea Hapkido Federation held a special dinner for >its masters and instructors throughout Korea. Over 120 senior masters and >masters came to the Sam Jong Hotel in Seoul to honor the organization they >proudly represent while enjoying an evening with friends and fellow >hapkido-in. > > The evening began with a speech from KHF President Oh Se Lim, which was >soon followed by the presentation of Appreciation Plaques to the KHF >masters and instructors who have greatly advanced the organization. The >beautiful wooden-engraved plaques were personally given by President Oh to >the ten KHF members from across Korea. The masters who received recognition >for their work are: > > President of the KHF Busan Kim Un Sok > KHF Advisor Lee Jae Goon > Education Special Committee Chairman Kim Nam Je > International Testing Chairman Ryu Chun Hee > International Public Relations Chairman Roh Su Gil > KHF Busan Director Kim Kyung Hwan > KHF Ulsan Director Lee Sang Bok > South Kyung Gi Province Director Lee, Gun Hwa > KHF Award and Disciplinary Vice-Chairman Jo Young Joon > Cultural Vision Director/KT Representative Kim Kyung Han > e-Culture Team Representative in Korea John A. Johnson > > A Korea Telecom representative then gave a presentation about possible >future developments between the two organizations. The advantages for KHF >members include possible new corporate symbols, business development >proposals, and a proposed “black belt certificate lifestyle”. This plan >intends to benefit all KHF black belts in Korea by allowing them to use an >electronic dan (black belt) certificate on their telephone to pay for >subway and bus fares as well as earn either cash-back or discounts at >participating stores. > > The evening concluded with a buffet dinner consisting of both >traditional Korean dishes alongside popular western foods. After several >toasts of congratulations and friendship among participants, the evening >concluded with everyone receiving KHF 2006 calendars and promises to >maintain support for the federation. > >--------------------------------- --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:18:53 -0800 (PST) From: John Merwin To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Special One-Day Seminar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Just a reminder to everyone, please see the following. NHC Martial Arts “aka” National Hapkido Center proudly hosts and presents... A Special One-Day Seminar with President of World Kido Federation & 10th Dan Grandmaster In Sun Seo on Saturday, February 11, 2006. Come learn from one of the most respected and well-known first generation Korean Martial Artists in the world. Grandmaster Seo will share with you his 50+ years of knowledge during this one-day intensive seminar. He will be covering advanced self-defense, joint locking, joint manipulation, ki power, instantaneous power transfer, and much more!!! Seminar Fee (non-refundable): $125 per person before January 31, 2006. $150 per person after January 31, 2006, on a first come first serve basis. Seminar information, registration form and hotel information attached. We would greatly appreciate it if you could forward this e-mail to anyone you think might be interested. Due to very limited space, pre-registration is HIGHLY RECOMMENDED. For more information, please contact seminar hosts: NHC Martial Arts’ Manager Marie Choi or Master Louis Kim at 562/430-5263. Respectfully Yours, Louis Kim & Marie Choi NHC Martial Arts 10885 Los Alamitos Blvd. Los Alamitos, CA 90720 562/430-5263 www.hapkidocenter.com e-mail if you need more info John Merwin CIMA Training Center __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: "the_dojang" Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:30:31 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] Hello to the French Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Carfantan I have not seen you post on the Do-Jang for a while. I met some of the members from the French Moo Duk Kwan in Korea at the 60th anniversary. The young lady that went was in a Bus wreck is she OK. How is the training going, and Please tell those that were at the 60th anniversary I said Hello. Please give them my personal e-mail JCGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "craftgenius@juno.com" Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 22:15:46 GMT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] HCHwang video Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I am curious to see the video. I have had an opportunity to tran for a few hours with Hwang kwan Ja Nim and maybe it could help refresh some of the techniques he taught. Yong Gi Roller --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest