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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,100 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Ji Han Jae Remembered (Bruce Sims) 2. Hawking my New Martial Arts Book (Ken McDonough) 3. RE: Back on the mat after a break (Stovall, Craig) 4. RE: Ji Han Jae Remembered (michael tomlinson) 5. Re: Ji Han Jae Remembered (Ray) 6. Re: Learning/unlearning switching styles (Beungood8@aol.com) 7. 'Hands Down TKD sparring (Don Ross) 8. RE: Re: Learning/unlearning switching styles (michael tomlinson) 9. Korean Arts Vs Japanese Arts (Gladewater SooBahkDo) 10. Mark Andrews on changing styles (George Peters) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 06:23:22 -0800 (PST) From: Bruce Sims To: Ray Terry Subject: [The_Dojang] Ji Han Jae Remembered Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "With the passing of GM Ji I thought it would be worthwhile to consider a few points, such as taking a few moments to see how well we can reconstruct his teachings." There will come a time in the not-too-distant future where these words will carry the weight of truth. After GM Ji is gone people will want to work towards codifying what it was that he wanted to teach, and the WAY that he taught it. Not very long ago Ray posted a comment about taking advantage of Ji's teachings while he is still around. For myself, I compulsively take pictures, tape and make notes. When I was in Korea Dojunim Kim proudly showed the project that he constructed as he recorded Choi Yong Sul's material---- as Choi taught it to Kim. In the not-too-distant future we will not have Ji Han Jae with us anymore. What will we have down in black and white, or in recorded medium, that we will be able to reference when questions about what Ji taught and how he taught it come to light? Scott (Yates) has mentioned a project that he is doing and occasionally I hear about some publishing project or another, maybe some tapes or DVD-s coming out. But we don't have to wait for a formal set of marketable disks if someone will simply have the foresight and motivation to use a video or digital camera. Whats being done along these lines? Best Wishes, Bruce __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 06:51:29 -0800 (PST) From: Ken McDonough To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Hawking my New Martial Arts Book Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Yo Martial Artists: I was sittin in the bathroom in deep meditation. Musing about life. So, I recalled several list members hawking their books and videos, and glad handing politicians. So, this gave me an idea about writin my own book. It is more of a humorous vein and gathers up the fun and zany side of life in the martial arts world. Has a plethora of gags and funny human stories. In fact, my book is named after a little 9 year boy who was in class and asked the instructor, "Is a fart lumpy ?" When the instructor asked why did he ask that, little Johnny blurted out, "Cause I definitely have s____ in my pants." My book is aptly entitled "Is a Fart Lumpy...the Zany side of the Martial Arts Business." Other anecdotes: - The one about the lack of coed changing rooms and one student playing pup tent in the Dojang after seeing Connie undressing. Its in the book. - Bathroom pranks and mishaps= I once stole the toilet paper after giving the students a little too much Pectin in the sponge cake I baked. The runs to the bathroom were priceless ! I also turned off the water spigots and removed the towels, so guess they had to use their uniforms to clean up...funny, huh ? Also, in the book. - How about the one where In Yuk Moo, GrandMaster, visits the Dojang to conduct testing...I dropped a few thumbtacks around the office where he was walkin knowing Koreans take their shoes off. That was a lot of laughs. The GM confused the word Kimchee with "F___ Me." Yep, its in the book. - In one Dojang I used to attend, the Instructor insisted we get on our knees and bow to several flags...Guess what ? I arrived an hour earlier and used an epoxy that only goes into effect when a warm binder touches it. So when the students were bowing their knees and hands were stuck to the mats. What a goof, Huh ? - Then there was the time I did a Chuck Berry thing. I placed a few tiny mico cameras in the ladies' toilet and then snuck it in the Instructors audio visual library. I put the toilet scenes in his introductory video for Parents and School Officials. Man, that was the best reaction I have ever scene. Or seen. Huh huh, in the book babe ! - I also tossed a few smoke bombs into a competitors Dojang while they were having a recruiting drive. And, then called the Fire Department. I ended up getting all of his students. He he. - How about the fake certificates routine. I contacted Rick Masters out in LA. He was featured in the movie To Live and Die in LA. I contacted the real Rick Masters who was a splendid counterfeiter. Man, he charged me a small fee to come up with a myriad of fake certificates. I then videotaped the reaction on students when they found out the certificates were worthless. That was unbelieveable stuff ! Buy the book. - Also, the time we came in brandishing guns and kidnapped the GM. We then called ourselves the Rhee Wee Liberation Army. We videotapped the GM pleadin for his life and had him rob a bank. Then when he got a 5 year term in Folsom Prison, we played his confession to his students about him keeping their testing fees to buy Bul Gogi and Han Jun Kook soup. What a gas--literally and figuratively speaking. Steal the Book. Anyways, I rushed this stuff out to the publisher and then did the "Meet the Politicians" routine. In fact, I met Tom Delay over at Borders in Dallas. He started to grope me and I told him, "Mr. DeLay...I'm not gay." Dis was before his current problems. I recently told him, "if they send u to jail, don't bend over in the shower room to pick up the soap." So, pick up my new book on Paladins Press and Borders. Again, its called: "Is a Fart Lumpy...The Zany Side to the Martial Arts Business." Note: One half of the book sales will be donated to the Free Rhee Wee foundation. Enugh said, Big Ken McDee --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 08:52:11 -0600 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Back on the mat after a break Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<>> My martial arts "pedigree" contains arts from Korea, the Phillipines, Japan, China, Thailand, and finally Brazil. What I've found is that no matter where the art is from...I am still ME and I have to make certain adaptations and adjustments based upon my size and natural inclinations. The bottom line is that the notion of "Korean vs Japanese vs Chinese" is mostly an artificial distinction. People across the world generally have a head, a torso, and 4 appendages. Unless you're going into one of these goofy arts that proposes to have you fight by imitating a drunken monkey, then you've really got nothing to worry about. The vast majority of fighting arts that I have trained or witnessed are based upon sound physiological and anatomical principles that bridge any and all "national" distinctions. Each art will teach you something different, but it has more to do with the goal of the art or the inclinations of the instructor as opposed to what neck of the woods it hails from. That's my long way of saying "you ain't got no problem, brother". <<>> The very best piece of advice that I can give is to take a certain aspect of your art and try to make it better over a given period of time. In MA we are often working on many things at once. For example, in TKD you are constantly working on forms, kicks, stances, blocks, strikes, footwork, etc. Very often, the people who take it to the next level are those who take the time to "compartmentalize" their training and focus energy on one aspect of their art. This has worked very well from personal experience. I am mostly a BJJ/submission wrestling enthusiast, and my goal for the next 6 to 12 months is to take my guard game to the next level (both attacking and passing the guard, as well as fighting from the guard itself). All of my out-of-class study is focused on those aspects of the game. When I physically train I focus and practice on those techniques. When I spar I try to only use those techniques and strategies. What you'll find is that this process awakens those powers of focus and concentration that very often get "dulled" from working on and thinking about so many things at once. You will start to notice every small detail. You will begin to discover what it is that you are doing right, and correcting those things that you are doing wrong. At the end of this process, you will notice that a very wonderful thing has happened. Not only will you have greatly improved that aspect of your art or practice that you have been focusing on, but the rest of your art will benefit because of those "sharpened" powers of concentration and focus that you now bring to the next round of improvement. You will also find that those areas that you have been "neglecting" will not have gotten worse to any noticeable degree (unless we're talking about a high attribute/conditioning dependent aspect like kicking). Strange, but true. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Ji Han Jae Remembered Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:15:49 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net All reputable Sin Moo teachers have curriculums, tapings, documents etc. of Ji Han Jae and his teachings...many have done a lot to preserve his ideas and teachings for that day...we all have plenty of Sin Moo Hapkido documents, etc. and we use it,, but the MAIN thing we all do first and foremost is train with him and enjoy him in the now... Michael Tomlinson --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Ji Han Jae Remembered To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 07:41:59 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > In the not-too-distant future we will not have Ji Han > Jae with us anymore. What will we have down in black > and white, or in recorded medium, that we will be able > to reference when questions about what Ji taught and > how he taught it come to light? Gm Ji strongly recommends that you tape the classes/seminars he teaches so you have material to refer back to later on. His only request is that you don't sell or give out the material w/o his permission. Apparently a few years ago one individual did just that after promising to not sell or give copies of the tapes to others, so Gm Ji can be a bit sensitive on that topic. Unlike Bruce, I have very few pictures of my almost 40 years now in the martial arts. That is not a knock on Bruce, I wish I had been more like him. About the only pics I have are those others have taken of me and given me, the videos that Gm Ji insisted we make and the pics of those of us at the big goat roping events down in Jackson. Now I wish that I had taken pics and Super-8 videos back in the 60s and 70s. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Beungood8@aol.com Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 10:53:45 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Learning/unlearning switching styles Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Mark I had a similar experience leaving one place and going to another. I was reluctant at first to try something different as we all get comfortable in our disciplines. But I trained with the new instructor and talked with him quite a bit about martial arts and then started training with him. I soon found I learned a different way of basic movement and some toher theories I hadn't been exposed to before and ways or solving problems in a different way. after awhile I found I had grown quite abit and got rid of the stagnation I had been feeling I had picked up along the way. As Just as in the way you grow when you teach , the same transformation happens when you switch focus of your training. I would give this Combat HaPKIDO GUY A THORUOGH "INTERVIEW"and find out who he has trained with other than Combat Hapkido and also wether his training was seminars or long term private instruction FWIW Stay safe, JAck In a message dated 1/13/2006 6:10:59 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: Combat Hapkido. I met with the Master last night and I will try a class tonight. We discussed my motivation for training and I said I have two reasons. The "outer" reason is to lose 10 lbs (at least). The inner reason is to recover the joy of being a sincere student again. When asked if I wanted to test, and see if my skills were enough for some rank in CH, I said no, thanks, I want to start from the beginning. If I have any skill as a martial artist that will become apparent. More than likely I have a lot of un-learning to do before I can learn again. I am willing to let that happen. As for rank, that will come in time. I am in no hurry to be promoted. I hope to grow deep, deep roots in this new art over the next 5 - 7 years. Does anyone have similar experience moving from a Japanese art to a Korean one? Or with plateaus in training and moving past them? I'd appreciate your guidance. A virtual bow to all, Mark Andrews --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Don Ross" To: "dojang_digest" Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 12:13:54 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] 'Hands Down TKD sparring Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Over the years I've noticed the 'hands down' phenomenon to afflict mid/upper gup, chodan and sometimes il dan ranks, especially among the 'young/superstar' types who believe they are soo good and soo fast they don't have to block. As others have observed, usually a dose of Korean reality set things right. pil seung, Don Ross Success is not final,failure is not fatal: It is the courage to continue that counts. - Winston Churchill --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: Learning/unlearning switching styles Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 18:03:15 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jack writes: Just as in the way you grow when you teach , the same transformation happens when you switch focus of your training. I would give this Combat HaPKIDO GUY A THORUOGH "INTERVIEW"and find out who he has trained with other than Combat Hapkido and also wether his training was seminars or long term private instruction FWIW>> I couldn't agree more.......IMHO if someone seems reluctant to talk about their training or Hapkido experience than you should be reluctant about training with them.... Michael Tomlinson --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: "the_dojang" Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 04:14:45 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] Korean Arts Vs Japanese Arts Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Andrews Both Korean and Japanese Arts have their strong points. I train in the Korean Art of Soo Bahk Do Moo Duk Kwan, however in 1991 I began taining in Jujitsu as well. I have found the two arts to be very compatable. I believe this is true because the arts philosophy, and scientific approach to techniques are similar. Hapkido may be a very natural transition for you based on you background. It sounds like your original school was a hard and disiplined school. My advice is no matter what art you choose to study, don't lose the hard disiplined approach. technique alone with out it is just aerobics. JCGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "George Peters" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:38:42 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Mark Andrews on changing styles Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Good Sir, When reading your post, I was reminded of a session I read about when Bruce Lee was interviewing a prospective student. Mr. Lee paraphrased older masters who had gone before him when he told the prospect (an accomplished martial artist) that if one wishes to fill one's cup, if it is already full, it must first be emptied. So you are (in my opinion) doing the right thing in starting from the beginning. Forget what you know, enjoy learning again, do not try to relate separate arts until you are far enough along to do so knowledgeably. Hope you enjoy your training. Respectfully, George --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest