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Re: video clip; 100 man kumite (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Hindley" To: Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 09:51:33 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Ken MacKenzie (41) promoted to 9th degree black belt in Sin Moo Hapkido by Ji Han Jae Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Ken MacKenzie No. 2 World Representative to Do Ju Nim, Ji Han Jae (Founder >of Sin Moo Hapkido) >First American-born practioner of the martial arts to attain >internationally certified rank of 9th degree black belt in Sin >Moo Hapkido Who is the # 1 World rep. in Sin Moo Hapkido? He met Ji Han Jae 20 years ago. 9th degree at 41 years old? Respectfully Greg Saturday, November 12, 2005 By LYFORD M. MOORE Courier-Post Staff VOORHEES When it comes to Hapkido and the martial arts, 41-year-old Ken MacKenzie of Atco has climbed the mountain. Since taking up the sport as a kid, he's advanced to Grand Master in Hapkido's South Korea's national martial art, and become its first American-born Hapkido practioner to win Ji Han Jae-certification as a 9th degree black belt. Ji Han Jae is the style's founder. In martial arts circles, Ken MacKenzie has become a big deal -- a very big deal. Interviewed here recently at one of his five Camden County Gold Medal Family Karate schools, the 6-3, 320-pound MacKenzie said self defense was the last thing on his mind when he first focused in on Hapkido. It had more to do with those old Bruce Lee movies, he recalled. "When I saw karate people in action, it was something I wanted to emulate," he said. "I wanted to be like them. I think a lot of young kids are that way today, and I was no different." Founded by Ji Han Jae in the early 1960s, Hapkido today boasts about 1 million black belts worldwide and is considered the purest of any martial art devoted to self defense. Hand to hand combat is a major component of Hapkido. Those who've trained with MacKenzie attribute his rise in the style to hard work and dedication. They say it was only a matter of time before he and Ji Han Jae, who once served as chief Hapkido instructor for the president of South Korea's security forces, found each other. MacKenzie hasn't forgotten the occasion. "I met him at a martial arts summit in New York about 20 years ago," he said. "He had been sent over here by the South Korean government to help train President Nixon's private Secret Service guys. "He was looking for the perfect student, and I was looking for the perfect instructor. I guess things worked out nicely." Now a full-time resident of Trenton, Ji Han Jae is MacKenzie's trainer. It was he who came to Voorhees last January to elevate MacKenzie to 9th degree black belt. "Ji Han Jae saw a lot in Grand Master MacKenzie when he first met him," said Bob Turley, 41, of Cherry Hill, who's trained with MacKenzie and now runs his school in Voorhees. "He saw a lot of motivation and talent and felt Grand Master MacKenzie was the type of person he wanted close to him. He wants to pass on the art of Hapkido and was looking for the right people. "That's what he saw in Grand Master MacKenzie years ago, and now he's his No. 1 student." Though he's retired from active competition, MacKenzie said he finds even more fulfillment teaching others. The medals and championships were great, he noted, but passing along Ji Han Jae's philosophies is even more gratifying. "Unlike other sports, we're fortunate that, the older we get, the more impact we can have on the martial arts," he said. "As a retired professional and amateur fighter, I'm able to impact many more people now." He says more than 1,000 families are now enrolled in his five schools and that he expects to add two more schools in the year ahead. MacKenzie is one of only two non-Koreans in the world to be confirmed a 9th degree black belt by Ji Han Jae. The other is Jurg Ziegler of Zurich, Switzerland. The only way MacKenzie could advance to 10th degree black belt would be for the only 10th degree black belt and Hapkido founder, Ji Han Jae, to die. MacKenzie says he has nothing against advancing, but not at his mentor's expense. "I don't want to go any higher because that would mean my instructor would have to pass away," he said. "He's 70 now, and I want him to be around for a long long time." Reach Lyford M. Moore at (856) 486-2424 or lmoore@courierpostonline.com KEN MacKENZIE First American-born practioner of the martial arts to attain internationally certified rank of 9th degree black belt in Hapkido Master Instructor in Tae Kwon Do and No. 2 World Representative to Do Ju Nim, Ji Han Jae (Founder of Sin Moo Hapkido) Member of the World Karate Hall of Fame Member of the World Martial Arts Hall of Fame Secretary General of the World Shin Moo Hapkido Federation President of the All Star Tae Kwon Do and Hapkido Association 1997, 1998 and 2005 Karate College Professor 1997, 1999 and 2002 World Champion in full contact fighting World Record Holder in Breaking (wood and concrete) --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] old Masters To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 08:48:22 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > (3) Linking would be simple. > > (4) Expenses would be kept to a minimum, and would be spread out to several > individuals or groups. > > I agree about the permission/copyright situation, but it could be as simple > as obtaining the owners permission by email/letter/phone before posting the > link to the material. > > Next step? Given that I have never been much of one to take pictures or videos I don't have much to contribute myself. But I can add such a place in my ongoing website redesign project. Hopefully it will be there in later this month or next. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 12:58:43 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Ken MacKenzie (41) promoted to 9th degree black belt in Sin Moo Hapkido by Ji Han Jae From: "Thomas Gordon" To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net http://www.sinmoohapkido.be/Hapkido%20Family%20Tree.htm Interesting reading. Thomas Gordon Florida --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Ken MacKenzie (41) promoted to 9th degree black belt in Sin Moo To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 08:55:57 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >>Ken MacKenzie No. 2 World Representative to Do Ju Nim, Ji Han Jae (Founder >>of Sin Moo Hapkido) >>First American-born practioner of the martial arts to attain >>internationally certified rank of 9th degree black belt in Sin Moo Hapkido > > Who is the # 1 World rep. in Sin Moo Hapkido? > He met Ji Han Jae 20 years ago. > 9th degree at 41 years old? > [snip] This article was posted to the list back in November, I think it was. As I recall what they are claiming is the Ken is #2, behind Gm Ji. So Gm Ji is the #1 world rep. As for age, yes, imho that is way too young. Not sure how much HKD training he had prior to meeting Gm Ji 20 years ago, but one would assume he had at least some. But back to age, I don't think Gm Ji is too concerned with that. Probably because his instuctor, CHOI Yong-sool, was not concerned with age. Proof in point, Gm Choi promoted Gm Ji and HwaRang Kwan Hapkido's Gm Joo Bang Lee to 8th Dan with they were both 32 or 33 years of age. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 17:46:36 -0500 From: sshapkido@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] In regards to black belts getting bored.... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have a few thoughts in regards to black belts getting bored. I have been training in Hapkido for just over 11 years with one of the most qualified instructors on the planet (and I wouldn't be at all biased) and during those eleven years I came very close to quiting three times. The first time, was when I was a red belt. For some reason, I didn't feel that I was progressing as I should (or learning a whole lot at the time) and I got discouraged (a year is a long time for a colored belt to wait between belts). Then one night, my instructor mentioned that we should come to each class with the goal of learning one thing new in that class that night and not be concerned with future classes or future ranks. And when I took up this attitude, I began to enjoy hapkido once again. The second time, was when I was a second degree black belt (I believe, it's been a long time). I didn't feel like I was learning enough new things. At that time, I went to visit another school that teaches judo/jujitsu/aikido. I talked with their instructor for a long time one night and by the end of the night he told me to go back to my original instructor. He said he'd be glad to teach me, but that this was probably just a phase and if I went back to my original instructor it would probably pass. True enough, he was right. I went back to my original instructor and for some reason, it almost seemed as if he were teaching new and exciting things just for me. The third time was around 6-9 months ago. I was a third degree and very busy in my other life, had moved farther away from our school, and was bored with our class. When I did go to class, I spent a lot of the time teaching, or wanting to teach one way and the powers that be felt another way was best, or I would get there late due to work and not get a good workout. And I gradually felt more and more disgusted. Again, I went to visit another school that was closer to my home (I'm not sure the chief knows about this one). My thinking was that it was closer to home and I would be a white belt so I could jump in the low belt class and get a good workout without having to stand around and teach. Not that I didn't like teaching, but I started hapkido for stress relief and exercise and I still needed both and if I was going to teach by golly as a third degree I wanted to do it my way. I sat and watched this other class and spoke with their instructor for a very long time. I could tell he was a very legitimate martial artist and teacher, although his style was totally different. And he also knew my instructor and spoke very highly of him. He told me that there was no need to quit hapkido, to just come out any time I wanted to and work out with them, I wouldn't have to join up or pay any fees, just drop in and I could wear the uniform I had (kind of defeated my purpose with that one). And of course he added, that if I did want to change completely over, I needed to tell my instructor that before I changed (which I would have done anyway). At that point, I was completely perplexed as to what to do and I took about three weeks completely off from training. And then I decided that I was going to do something that many of you may feel is unbecoming of an upper level black belt. I decided I would go back to hapkido and TAKE all that I could from it for six months and then decide what to do. I wouldn't worry about what I could give as a teacher, I was going to take all I could and see if I could get what I needed and I didn't care what anyone thought about it. And surprisingly, when I did that, my attitude towards my hapkido class dramatically improved. I started going regularly and trying to go earlier and I was just recently told that my fourth degree promotion is on the near horizon. Now, I tell you all this (not to get in trouble with the chief), but to point out a few things. 1) One of the primary contributors to whether I was happy with hapkido or not and whether I got what I needed or not was my own attitude. And I had to push myself and change my attitude or drop out. This is an aspect in your students that you may be able to encourage, but not control. 2) On the other hand....Higher belts do go through a lot of periods where they feel like they have stalled or are not progressing, but they also tend to get bored if they are not thrown a little something extra every so often. It's important to dangle that sirloin in front of them every so often an get their mouths to watering. 3) And even though they (black belts) are at a level where they are expected to be teachers, they still have reasons that they need their particular art (be is stress relief, for health and fitness, for self confidence) and certain things that they need to get out of it in order to be satisfied. So it's important to make sure they have the opportunity to get these things or they will leave and find it somewhere else. I'm not sure if any of that makes sense. But anyway...thanks for reading. SS P.S. I think that my story also illustrates that it is a very good thing for an instructor to be respected in his local martial arts community, as mine is. Two different instructors had the opportunity to snatch me away from him, but I think in a large part out of respect for him and his abilities, they encouraged me to keep training with him. --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 19:35:13 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma To: MartialArtsTalk@yahoogroups.com, martialstudies@yahoogroups.com, the_dojang@martialartsresource.net, itf-taekwondo@yahoogroups.com Subject: [The_Dojang] video clip; 100 man kumite Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1274302017525395825 --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover Photo Books. You design it and we’ll bind it! --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 20:56:00 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma To: itf-taekwondo@yahoogroups.com, the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] video clip; wooden dummy clip Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net http://www.youtube.com/w/Wing-Chun-Wooden-Dummy-Demo?v=YVSajtiQ2h8&search=wing%20chun%20 --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] video clip; 100 man kumite To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 21:31:53 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Re: 100 man kumite Oyama style's 100 man kumite has got to be the toughest test in martial arts. But then what else would one expect from the mind of Mas Oyama... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest