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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,100 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Kyokushin Kai (sidtkd@aol.com) 2. Re: Interesting reading (Benjamin Nall) 3. Ken MacKenzie (Bob Banham) 4. Ken MacKenzie (Bob Banham) 5. Ken McKenzie (Bruce Sims) 6. RE: Re: Interesting reading (michael tomlinson) 7. HKD Family Tree (Sharon Tkach) 8. Re: HKD Family Tree (Ray) 9. find your soulmate (Ray) 10. RE: Old Masters (Stovall, Craig) 11. video clips: misc (Jye nigma) 12. 100 Man Kumite (Brooke Thomas) 13. Re: 100 Man Kumite (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: sidtkd@aol.com Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 07:06:53 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Kyokushin Kai Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I trained in Kyokushin Kai and advanced to blue belt. That accomplishment was more difficult for me that all the time it took to get to second dan in tae kwon do. This art is extremely brutal and taxing. I wonder how there aren't more law suits from all the injurys. At 56 I felt that a severe injury was around the corner and besides, full contact with no armor doesn't exactly feel good when being pounded by a 6'5" brute that is 35 years old. Oh well...I gave it a shot and my sparring in taekwondo became infinetly more aggresive. Sid --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Benjamin Nall Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:35:06 -0500 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Interesting reading Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > http://www.sinmoohapkido.be/Hapkido%20Family%20Tree.htm > > Interesting reading. > > Thomas Gordon > Florida What's even more interesting is who is left out of this family tree. Seems like there are more than a few branches missing... BongSoo --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Bob Banham" To: Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 15:37:23 -0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Ken MacKenzie Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I am confused! Looked at the site http://www.sinmoohapkido.be/Hapkido%20Family%20Tree.htm as given by Thomas Gordon and this is not the same Ken Mackenzie I know. Look at the pic on the page you go to from the link above and the picture is of K. MacKenzie - GM Ji's 9th dan. Go to the page linked from there and you get a page all about an ITF 4th dan called Ken MacKenzie. Is this the same man? The Ken MacKenzie I know is BIG (the article says 300+ pounds). When I was in Korea with him in 2003, he entered the Korean Martial Arts Invitational World Championships and annihilated all opposition (for annihilated read steamrollered!). Nice guy though. Bob --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Bob Banham" To: Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 15:48:28 -0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Ken MacKenzie Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net There is a pic of GM MacKenzie here http://www.chilsong.com/Welcome/Menu%20Items/Korea%20&%20Japan/Korea%20&%20Ja pan.htm He was 8th dan at the time. Bob --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 08:12:40 -0800 (PST) From: Bruce Sims To: Ray Terry Subject: [The_Dojang] Ken McKenzie Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net ">>Ken MacKenzie No. 2 World Representative to Do Ju Nim, Ji Han Jae (Founder >>of Sin Moo Hapkido) >>First American-born practioner of the martial arts to attain >>internationally certified rank of 9th degree black belt in Sin Moo Hapkido > > Who is the # 1 World rep. in Sin Moo Hapkido? > He met Ji Han Jae 20 years ago. > 9th degree at 41 years old? > [snip] This article was posted to the list back in November, I think it was. As I recall what they are claiming is the Ken is #2, behind Gm Ji. So Gm Ji is the #1 world rep. As for age, yes, imho that is way too young. Not sure how much HKD training he had prior to meeting Gm Ji 20 years ago, but one would assume he had at least some. But back to age, I don't think Gm Ji is too concerned with that. Probably because his instuctor, CHOI Yong-sool, was not concerned with age. Proof in point, Gm Choi promoted Gm Ji and HwaRang Kwan Hapkido's Gm Joo Bang Lee to 8th Dan with they were both 32 or 33 years of age...." To tell the truth, there seems that the matter of age versus ranking or standing will never be resolved. GM-s are going to do what they are going to do and that, pretty much, is that. For myself, though, when people start throwing around bits like "#2", or "second in command" or "successor" I suggest that person needs to be prepared to do something more than just stand around on the edge of the mat with his chest puffed-out. Just consider the situation with Ji, Han Jae. Imagine the task that would fall to a person who assumes the mantle--- and just here in the States, I mean. And I am not talking about sitting in an office and collecting test and cert revenues from all over the country. 1.) There is an entire heritage of Ji training and teaching to be codified, promoted, protected and even defended. 2.) There is the responsibility of moving the Sin Mu trasdition ahead to whatever the next step or level is. 3.) There is the on-going process of coninually reconciling practitioners who are at odds with each other, who want to exploit their place in the tradition, represent or misrepresent the traditions and so forth. 4.) There is just the day-to-day matters of running the organization 24/7. Oh sure, being the inheritor would carry a lot of prestige but it also carries enough responsibility to make a person's goodies shrivel--- if you know what I mean. :-) Best Wishes, Bruce __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: Interesting reading Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:48:28 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net everyone tells me that unfortunately my family tree has NO branches on it.....maybe it's because all my relatives are from Kentucky and Virginia.....LOL....sad BUT true.... Michael Tomlinson >From: Benjamin Nall >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Interesting reading >Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:35:06 -0500 > >>http://www.sinmoohapkido.be/Hapkido%20Family%20Tree.htm >> >>Interesting reading. >> >>Thomas Gordon >>Florida > >What's even more interesting is who is left out of this family tree. Seems >like there are more than a few branches missing... > >BongSoo >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Sharon Tkach" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:26:41 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] HKD Family Tree Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >http://www.sinmoohapkido.be/Hapkido%20Family%20Tree.htm > >Interesting reading. I counted five list members on the site, but Mr. Terry would know better. How many? ~Sharon --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] HKD Family Tree To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:48:13 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >http://www.sinmoohapkido.be/Hapkido%20Family%20Tree.htm > > > >Interesting reading. > > I counted five list members on the site, but Mr. Terry would know better. > How many? I count six, but there may be more. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 10:03:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] find your soulmate Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net http://www.worldcombatdating.com :) Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 12:48:54 -0600 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Old Masters Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<>> I hear ya. Unfortunately, it's a national epidemic. You would think that martial artists as a group would be largely immune, but I see far too many who are in no better shape than their non-MA counterparts in the larger society. The sad truth is that a great many people in this nation will have little to look forward to past the age of 50...at least from the standpoint of enjoying good health much less the joys of being physically active. What's even more startling is the speed with which this epidemic has settled upon us. When I was growing up, diabetes was something that affected the kids who were unfortunate enough to be born with the juvenile version. Nowadays, we have half the nation gorging themselves into the Type 2 version of this disease. Is it just me, or is it like half the people I know over 50 have diabetes now? And I've got news for you...my generation is going to be in even worse shape. I sit here at 35, and I'm damned proud to say that I'm in better shape than when I was 18. As I look around at my 30-something counterparts I see a bunch of "young" old people. Overweight, sedentary, deconditioned, clinically depressed, emotionally distraught, sexually dysfunctional, and absolutely no CLUE as to how it happened to them. The prevailing attitude in this country is one of, "Oh well, this is what happens when you hit 30". Bull$h!t I say! And our so-called "fitness industry" is of little help in lighting the way. These money grubbing snake oil salesmen are interested in nothing more than catering to the "I wanna lose 50 pounds in a month, but I don't wanna sweat and breath hard" crowd. Walk into any so-called "commercial gym" in this country, and you'll see row after row of treadmills with TELEVISIONS installed above them. These aren't for people who want to exercise...these are for people who want to go to the gym so that they can feel good about having pretended to exercise. "Whew...20 minutes on the recumbent bike watching Nancy Grace...now I can go to my low impact Pilates class for testosterone deficient males, and then go treat myself to a latte". A lot of it is priorities...we don't have them anymore or they're so screwed up that we don't know where to turn. We're so busy taking care of the THINGS that we use to fill up our life that we've forgotten not only to take care of the only thing that really matters (one's mind and body), but we've lost the ability and know-how to actually DO IT. Television is to blame. The worst thing that ever happened to this country is cable television. When I was growing up we had three channels (on a sunny day), soap operas were the only thing on from 9 to 4, and cartoons were something that were on for 4 hours on Saturday morning. That meant we had no choice but to go outside and entertain ourselves with basketball, baseball, freeze tag, snowball fights, tree climbing, whatever. A kid has no reason to go outside now. There are cartoons on TV 24/7...on about 6 different channels. Adults fair no better. Why play a sport when you have 12 channels dedicated to whatever it is that you might be interested in? Just watch other people do it...after all that's much SAFER. I hear people say "I hate exercise". I say, "just wait until you get Type 2 diabetes sprinkled with some high blood pressure and a sleeping disorder...you're gonna LOVE that shit". Our not too distant relatives didn't know what "exercise" was, but they were a lot healthier. Of course, working on the farm or loading crates by hand down at the dock seemed to do the trick. At one time, our livelihoods involved a lot more than sitting behind a computer doing things we hate for people we don't care about for reasons that we can't even fathom. We are INCENTED to commit a slow, painful suicide. Hey...ain't technology wonderful!!! Our distant ancestors had to be fit...if you couldn't run, jump, or throw...you died. If you weren't strong...you died. That's it. If you can do those things today you get a blue ribbon. Mighty incentive that is. In ancient times you got to live. Fitness and living were one in the same, both individually and within tribal dynamics. Today...it doesn't matter unless you're a long-term thinker and those are as rare today as a three legged chicken. Well, I don't know where this rant came from. It's like the old saying goes, if you don't have your health then you don't have anything. Health and fitness comes at a price, but like any smart investment the long-term paybacks usually far outweigh any short-term discomfort. Then again that argument would tend to fall on the deaf ears of a nation with the highest levels of debt and the lowest levels of saving from any historical measure. Ok, so your knee hurts...mine too. Tell your knee to shut the hell up, or get off the couch and go see a doctor. Either way, slowing down is not an option unless you plan on dying tomorrow. Live strong, use it or lose it, and all that good rot. As martial artists we should LEAD THE WAY! --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 11:17:14 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma To: itf-taekwondo@yahoogroups.com, the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] video clips: misc Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net http://www.youtube.com/watch.php?v=Sp92CLWj4TM one finger zen: http://www.youtube.com/w/Kung-Fu?v=zM6zqNmnfes&search=chinese%20kung% --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 12:08:21 -0800 (PST) From: Brooke Thomas To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] 100 Man Kumite Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Question about the Kumite...no hand strikes to the head I presume? Also, there doesn't appear to be weight divisions? There were a couple of fights in there that Shokei Matsui seemed to be using someone 50 lbs less as a kicking bag... Brooke Thomas --__--__-- Message: 13 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] 100 Man Kumite To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 12:20:23 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Question about the Kumite...no hand strikes to the > head I presume? Also, there doesn't appear to be > weight divisions? There were a couple of fights in > there that Shokei Matsui seemed to be using someone 50 > lbs less as a kicking bag... I don't believe Oyama style permits punching to the head. But for more info on the 100 man funfest see: http://www.kyokushin.com.ph/iko_history.html Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest