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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,100 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Having observed first hand (Craig Zeigler) 2. Re: video clip: kyukoshin versus TKD (Chris LaCava) 3. beat up (Brian Beach) 4. Congratulations Master Hodder (Braeswood Martial Arts) 5. Re: RE: Lower Back Problems (Tim) 6. Getting beat up (Bruce Sims) 7. Miyama-ryu (Bruce Sims) 8. Getting beat up (dave weller) 9. video clips: tkd clips (Jye nigma) 10. Mas Oyama (Gladewater SooBahkDo) 11. RE: getting beat up (Stovall, Craig) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 07:00:23 -0500 From: Craig Zeigler To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Having observed first hand Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Richard Tomlinson wrote: >These gyms with Tvs, the whole thing, well having been givin a tour of a Golds >Gym, the day before opening, 29,000,00 square feet..sigh, mindless >movement... >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > > > To a point, I agree with you. the only thing that comes to mind when I see people lined up on the treadmills watching the tube is a human version of the hamster wheel. Gyms do have their uses, but it isn't nearly as much fun as being on the mat. Consider Denis Leary's comments on gyms. --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Chris LaCava" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 07:40:11 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: video clip: kyukoshin versus TKD Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I don't believe that the other style was TKD. The Master kneeling in front was GM Kim Yun Sang of Young Sul Kwan. The reason why I say it may not be TKD is because I do not think GM Kim teaches TKD. Take care. Chris "from CT" LaCava LaCava's Martial Arts Westport, CT. http://lmaa.bravepages.com Online Store- http://www.cafepress.com/hapkidogear --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Brian Beach Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 07:57:59 -0500 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] beat up Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Is it a girl? Is jello involved? Oh sorry ... did I say that out loud? On Jan 18, 2006, at 6:01 AM, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net wrote: > And who wants at at 50 something want to fight a 25 to 30 year old? > And if so, why? --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Braeswood Martial Arts" To: Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 07:02:27 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Congratulations Master Hodder Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Congratulations to Master Hodder and all students at HKMA on your new location. >From all of us at Braeswood Martial Arts! --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Tim" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE: Lower Back Problems Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:12:12 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net non steroidal anti inflammatory ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greenbrier Tae Kwon Do Academy" To: "Dojang Digest" Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 7:54 PM Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Lower Back Problems >I want to thank all of you that posted comments/suggestions about the lower > back problem thread I initiated. Yes, that statment that I posted came > from > my own Radiology report that I received after I had xrays of my lower back > recently. I apologize for not making that clear. I'm not exactly sure > how > I injured my back in the latter half of the summer. I just know it hurts > like a "Some beach" at times. > > As far as my limitations, I cannot execute a kick with my left leg any > higher than my stomach, but my right kicks are fine. When I bend forward > it > must be very slow and rolls are definitely out for now. Twisting too. > > To Tim: I have no idea what NSAID is. I'll look it up. > To Erik: You and I are in the same boat it seems. My right leg is 1/2 > shorter than my left, where you are the opposite. I do wear TKD the > majority of the time while teaching and will be looking at getting a lift > for my right shoe as you suggested. My doctor said the same thing! > To Julie: > A few questions about this individual: > > 1) How old is this individual? I'll be 37 in March. > 2) If low back pain prompted the x-ray, what kind of pain is experienced > (sharp, dull, achy, pulsating)? It is sharp pain during certain > twisting/bending motions. > 3) How often is the pain experienced? (is it constant, intermittent, > activity related, etc.) It hurts worse after teaching classes where I am > on > my feet alot. > 4) Does the pain radiate anywhere else in the body? The pain originates > in > my lower right back and travels up the spine to the left side of my neck. > For a while I could not turn my head to the left. After an Osteopathic > manipulation by my doc, I can turn it now and "some" of the pain has > subsided. > 5) When did this symptom occur? Everything started in mid/late Summer. > 6) Was there a trauma involved to precipitate the pain? Not sure. I had > pain before I assisted in lifting a heavy as hell TV for some relatives... > It got worse after that. > > To David: Thank you for the Mayo Clinic link. I have printed off the > exercises and will begin doing them this week. I have a student who is > somewhat older than myself that could benefit from them as well. > > Again, thanks to all of you. These were all very good suggestions. > > James Morgan > GTKDA > Lewisburg, WV > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 07:12:19 -0800 (PST) From: Bruce Sims To: Ray Terry Subject: [The_Dojang] Getting beat up Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "....Ok, who really wants to be beat up at the age of 50 somehing year old. And who wants at at 50 something want to fight a 25 to 30 year old? And if so, why?...." Dear Richard: Speaking for myself I don't actually look at it quite like this. I know that as I get older I don't heal as fast and there are times when I am sure that my reflexes, or flexibility or strength simply does not match the younger partner. When this happens I take it as a challenge to work "smarter" not harder. However, I would never have the luxury of enjoying this challenge if I pre-maturely took myself out of the class by, say, only teaching by direction. I take breakfalls for my students and train right alongside of them so that they see me modeling behavior. In turn, knowing that they are watching me and comparing their execution against my own constantly presses me to be sure that everything I am doing is the best that I can do. In this way, I continue to be goaded into pushing myself to not make excuses for myself. FWIW. Best Wishes, Bruce __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 07:19:09 -0800 (PST) From: Bruce Sims To: Ray Terry Subject: [The_Dojang] Miyama-ryu Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "....High ranking Miyama Ryu JuJutsu Instructors-Senseis, Menkyos, Shihans, Dai Shihans. Space limited: Reserve ASAP The Japanese word "gasshuku" means "together under one roof" and suggests a gathering devoted to intensive practice and enjoyment of community...." While I understand the idea of having such an event, I wonder if the KMA community is always well-served by such an event. I am not thinking so much of the matter of mixing Japanese and Korean traditions, though I would be willing to discuss this if anyone cares to. Rather I am considering how many times we have had discussions about the eclectic nature of the Hapkido arts and the manner in which people tend to mix and match material. The information that I have on Miyama-ryu is that it was constructed by its originator out of various traditions. Seems as though having an event using an eclectic art from another culture (JMA) to instruct proponents of an "eclectic art" of the KMA would be confusing. Anyone? Thoughts? Best Wishes, Bruce __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: dave weller Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 10:45:52 -0600 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Getting beat up Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net On Jan 18, 2006, at 5:01 AM, the_dojang- request@martialartsresource.net wrote: > From: "Richard Tomlinson" > Date: January 17, 2006 9:16:34 PM CST > To: > Subject: [The_Dojang] getting beat up > Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > > Ok, who really wants to be beat up at the age of 50 somehing year > old. And who > wants at at 50 something want to fight a 25 to 30 year old? And if > so, why? We like to show them how much pain we can take. As far as TV's and exercise bikes go, I have a little different take on it. Like Craig, I go to my class reunions (class of '73) and am shocked and amazed at all the old farts I went to school with. Very few have kept themselves in shape and most are just plain "doughy". They ask how I stay in decent shape (which compared to them is not saying much) and I tell them Martial Arts and exercise. I generally get a dumbfounded look. "How can you do THAT?" SO, my point is: Not everyone is as crazy to mix it up, get down and sweat as us kung-fu dudes and if a TV above the recumbent bike gets one of my classmates to pedal a few calories off, well, that is a good thing. Sure, I could berate them about being lazy, fat, defenseless slobs, but that wouldn't get them to the gym either. Anything is better than nothing. Look at it this way Craig, if all those guys get in shape we wouldn't look like Adonis anymore (comparatively speaking) . have a groovy day, dave "you can call me Adonis" weller --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:02:33 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma To: MartialArtsTalk@yahoogroups.com, martialstudies@yahoogroups.com, the_dojang@martialartsresource.net, itf-taekwondo@yahoogroups.com Subject: [The_Dojang] video clips: tkd clips Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-560463820566811943&q=tkd http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2175889445154071829&q=tkd http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8693219211174764915&q=tkd http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6131418552291622351&q=taekwondo http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8905814373980290480&q=taekwondo http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=92265147120539666&q=taekwondo http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-907061965948938978&q=taekwondo http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8927372013785060132&q=taekwondo http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7604333627800504226&q=taekwondo --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: "the_dojang" Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 01:57:41 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] Mas Oyama Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I don't have any verifiable information to suggest that Mas Oyama trained either with or under Hwang Kee Kwan Jang Nim. If Master McCauley reliable source is Master Ted Mason from California, I would tend to believe it to be truth, and something that is verifiable. As for Mas Oyama being senior to Hwang Kee, I am not sure this is true either. Hwang Kee was born in 1914 and began training at age 7 or 1921 with no breaks in training. Mas Oyama was born in 1923 and began training in 1932 at the age of 9 some 11 years after Hwang Kee. Because Mas Oyama had rank issued by Funakoshi at the Shotokan and Hwang Kee never really had a official rank issued I don't think we can determine rank by paper issued, but would be better served by using time in training as a gauge. This would mean Hwang Kee would be senior to Mas Oyama by 11 years. Ray: Do you have any verifiable evidence to suggest this is incorrect. JCGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:53:57 -0600 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: getting beat up Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<>> I dunno...it's never happened. Ok, technically speaking someone dreamed of beating me up one time, but they realized the error of their ways and promptly woke up to apologize. <<>> Ummmmm...to teach those damned youngsters a lesson? Seriously, the question is a bit loaded isn't it? It seems to imply that a 50 year old is at an automatic disadvantage to the younger fighter. That ain't always the case. Technique and experience go a long way. Also, harkening back to my previous post (and echoing Bruce's assertion), having to do your one steps while leaning against a walker is often the result of the aggregate decisions you've made up until that point that you reach those "golden years" (medical conditions being an exception). You're not automatically relegated to "geezerdom" just because your birth certificate implies that you should remember rotary dial and 8-track tapes. The trick is to make those good decisions every single day...drink your water, get some exercise, sleep eight hours, eat wholesome food, rinse and repeat. But, I'm not sure exactly what you're asking. Maybe we're taking exception to training wherein "getting beat up" seems to be the goal (or at least the dominate training modality)? I guess everything has to be scaled at some point. Personally, I don't partake in any type of pugilistic contact sparring anymore, and I have no plans to go back. I got enough of that in my younger days. The point is that I've had too many doctors tell me about how the brain starts losing it's elasticity after your mid-30's, and how any type of hard contact to the head has a greater chance of resulting in all types of nasty effects at that age. Not a good idea to let your partners put you to sleep with chokes, either. To be honest, I'm a little taken aback by the question. Seriously, it sounds like something an "outsider" would ask. I'm sure we've all been asked the infamous, "why do you DO THAT?". Hell if I know...I am who I am, and I am what I do, so how could I do anything else (hey, that's a good song lyric). I guess any 50 year olds out there who like slugging it out with their juniors would just say "because it's a frigging BLAST". My deal is rolling around on a mat and trying to put burly males to sleep and/or twist their bodies in ways that Mother Nature did not intend. Have no idea why I love it. Have no idea why I NEED it. I have no fantasies that what I'm doing is the "ultimate style" or that it will make me the alpha male of the office. I just like the chess game of it. I like the science of it. I like the fact that it forces me to be fit. I like the idea that it's a challenge. I need something that touches that part in each and every one of us that still remembers that we were not designed to just sit behind a desk for 40 years in order to earn the great privilege of paying off a mortgage. So, who wants to be fighting when they're 50? The people that like to fight I guess. Twice in my martial arts career I've had the experience of "coming home". It's that feeling you get when you do something and all of a sudden you realize that THIS is one of the things that I was put here to do. I'm home. The first time I picked up a pair of escrima sticks...I was home. The first time I did "zhoo zheetzu"...I was home. Maybe someday "home" will be Tai Chi in the park. So, all those 50-somethings that are knocking heads...they're just spending some time 'round the house. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest