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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,100 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: "Surviving Edged Weapons" (WTSDA Bruce) 2. RE: Real firearms in training (michael tomlinson) 3. Re: Be safe out there (michael tomlinson) 4. Re: Be safe out there (michael tomlinson) 5. RE: "Surviving Edged Weapons" (michael tomlinson) 6. Re: AHA Hapkido Certificate (AMERHKD@aol.com) 7. RE: Re: Phony cert (michael tomlinson) 8. The Fog!! (C. Bonner) 9. Training with the real thing (hapkido) 10. RE: UFC Gracie and Hughes (Thomas Gordon) 11. Re: "Surviving Edged Weapons" (jakskru) 12. Surviving Edged Weapons (Ray) 13. SEW, part 2 (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "WTSDA Bruce" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] "Surviving Edged Weapons" Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 13:06:16 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Calibre Press is the publisher. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brooke Thomas" To: Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 9:06 AM Subject: [The_Dojang] "Surviving Edged Weapons" >I did a quick (unsuccessful) search trying to find > where I might buy this product...any ideas where I > might find it and the approximate cost? > > Brooke Thomas > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Real firearms in training Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 19:49:26 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net George, Thats a good idea....feel, looks, and weighs real.... Michael Tomlinson >From: "George Peters" >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [The_Dojang] Real firearms in training >Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 00:01:05 -0500 > >Good Members, > You could do what I did, get a copy of Shotgun News and either put >together or purchase whole a demilled version of what you want,ie; sidearm >or rifle. No big deal, no danger. >Respectfully, >George >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Be safe out there Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 19:52:52 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I feel you Ray,,, didn't start this to make waves,,,and I know that not everyone should ever do this...it is very serious....and I only do it with my advanced people who also shoot alot... on a lighter note...just got back from the range...500 rounds and I feel goofy...too much shooting means a lot of concusion...equals goofy...and when you start out as goofy as I am...well....anywho just sitting around slobbering on myself right now... Michael Tomlinson >From: Ray >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Be safe out there >Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 22:51:10 -0800 (PST) > > > so then you should never practice gun disarming with a real gun?? > >Well, in a trainer's world a live gun or live ammo is never (or seldom) >permitted in the same area where one is doing disarm or retention practice. > >Does it happen? Sure. Negligent discharges also happen. Staying safe >during any practice session has a lot to do with following procedure. > >Now all that said, I have seen special procedures be in place for special >occasions. e.g. enough training blanks not available. In that case the >procedure is to "triple check and triple tape and triple check again" the >gun to ensure that it is (1) unloaded and (2) that it cannot be loaded >by mistake. > >Ray Terry >rterry@idiom.com >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Be safe out there Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 20:01:41 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net totally agree with you bro...and I don't want anyone to take my thread as "hey it's ok to play with guns... IT AIN'T!!! Here's my protocal...take out the mag, make sure it is totally empty...rack the slide a half dozen times at least...lock slide back...look inside...check barrel around the feed ramp, check the area around the firing pin...no rounds....good...close slide...depress trigger in a safe direction...then put empty mag in it for gun disarm..leave the trigger depressed and NEVER rerack the slide....only use this one weapon for gun disarm and it doesn't leave our area or line of sight until we are done....very respectful and with full concentration...and I NEVER teach this to minors or anyone who hasn't been with me longer than one of my favorite camo shirts...that means about six years.... yeah I know...my wife thinks the same thing.... and I STILL don't recommend this for anyone....do it your way guys...this is just mine... Michael Tomlinson >From: Craig Zeigler >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Be safe out there >Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 08:35:31 -0500 > >Ray wrote: >>>so then you should never practice gun disarming with a real gun?? >>> >> >>Well, in a trainer's world a live gun or live ammo is never (or seldom) >>permitted in the same area where one is doing disarm or retention >>practice. >> >>Does it happen? Sure. Negligent discharges also happen. Staying safe >>during any practice session has a lot to do with following procedure. >> >>Now all that said, I have seen special procedures be in place for special >>occasions. e.g. enough training blanks not available. In that case the >>procedure is to "triple check and triple tape and triple check again" the >>gun to ensure that it is (1) unloaded and (2) that it cannot be loaded by >>mistake. >> >>Ray Terry >>rterry@idiom.com >>_______________________________________________ >>The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >>The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >>Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >>Standard disclaimers apply >>http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang >> >> >Firearms are supposed to be considered loaded at all times. If a pair are >going to use a weapon for training, all parties should safety the weapon, >remove the clip, and ensure the weapon is safe. If the weapon ever changes >hands, this should be done again. > >'gun's aren't toys' and should never be used by minors... ever.... > >just my $0.02 >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] "Surviving Edged Weapons" Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 20:06:15 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I'm not for sure but I think you have to be in LE to get it...when I viewed it several years ago it was loaned to me by one of my Hapkido students who was also a seargent with the local county sheriff's office..he borrowed it thru the training division at the range..that's all I know...nothing more and probably a lot less.... Michael Tomlinson >From: Brooke Thomas >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [The_Dojang] "Surviving Edged Weapons" >Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 07:06:24 -0800 (PST) > >I did a quick (unsuccessful) search trying to find >where I might buy this product...any ideas where I >might find it and the approximate cost? > >Brooke Thomas >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 6 From: AMERHKD@aol.com Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 15:07:48 EST Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] AHA Hapkido Certificate To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello Everyone: I am diligently trying to stop this. As this man has no shame in doing this, I will give you his name. There was only one representative in the AHA from India his name is Harendra Kottyam. He did have students that were also ranked through the AHA, however they were never our rep. I have his records of promotion through the AHA and this definetly is a photo copy of the certificate. My attorney has also contacted ebay as a person who is authorized to file a noci form. It is difficult to persue this man as he is in India and he probably knows that. Even certified mail will not reach him obviously before the sale. Maybe I should sell his black belt video tape of his test on ebay. What goes around comes around. It would be helpful if others sent a message to ebay about this as well in the contact us part of ebay. The more people the better. It is interesting to see the other objects this guy sells on ebay. He has not been with the AHA since 1993. I will keep plugging on this matter. Thanks so much for the support of the hapkido community. Joannie Wollmershauser --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: Phony cert Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 20:09:35 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net who is selling this cert anyway????? Mike >From: Beungood8@aol.com >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Phony cert >Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:33:10 EST > >In a message dated 1/21/2006 6:09:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, >the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: > >From: AMERHKD@aol.com >Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 19:31:08 EST >Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Check out this ebay item. Someone is trying >to sell a GM Wo... >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >Hi: >Thanks so much for the e-mail. I found this item today and have already >faxed the NOCI form to ebay as an infringement of the rights of the AHA >for >which >I am now the owner. > >Nice to know those who appreciate Hapkido have the back of a very special >and >talented hapkido grandmaster. > >Thanks again so much. > >Joannie Wollmershauser > >-- __--__-- > > > >If it cannot be stopped ,everyone put in too high bids at the last minute, >and then do a bid retract. This will prevent them from the sale. >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "C. Bonner" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 16:24:58 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] The Fog!! Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net  As i type this i am in a fog of a sort i have not been in before. I found out yesterday,that my little brother died ( cause of death has not been determined yet) He was only 25!! What makes it worse, if that is possible, is that he was also a student of mine, and a very talented one at that. I have had family members die, and i have had a student, and a trainning partner die. but i have never had a family member that was also a student die. It is very unnerving. My question is, has anyone here had a similar experiance, and how did you cope with it?? Ray, if this message is not right for the DD, then feel free not to post it, as i will not be offended. Thank you, Clint Bonner --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "hapkido" To: Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 18:40:56 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Training with the real thing Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net When I was in the Army as an MP, the Army was trying to save money by having us practice at the range with 45s outfitted to shoot 22s. Then I had to qualify with the real thing. Big difference. Scared the wits out of me. I have to agree that there is no substitute for the real thing. --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Thomas Gordon" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] UFC Gracie and Hughes Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 19:47:53 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Master Custer, LOL! Neither are old timers and I realize treachery will almost always overcome skill. :) Royce Gracie is 39 and Matt Hughes is 32. The current heavyweight is 26. The light-heavy is 36. The middleweight is 31 and the welterweight (Hughes) is 32. Right now, the average age for the champions is 31ish. http://www.ufc.tv/index.cfm?fa=fighter.TitleHolders&cid=3 Royce is giving up 7 years. Some may argue 7 years of youth....perhaps 7 years of experience. Royce Gracie won the first rounds because his opponents simply weren't prepared. I think many of us sat there watching a bit stunned. The last matches in UFC time was on Gracies side. With the new rules (compared to what they were in 93-95) and Hughes age, if I was a beating man, I'd lay my money on Hughes. Frankly, I think it'll be great whoever wins. I have mixed emotions. I typically root for the underdog and I always root against the loud mouth. Thomas Gordon Florida --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "jakskru" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] "Surviving Edged Weapons" Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 22:14:54 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net are you referring to "surviving toe blade"? i thought that this was an LEO only video? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brooke Thomas" To: Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 10:06 AM Subject: [The_Dojang] "Surviving Edged Weapons" > I did a quick (unsuccessful) search trying to find > where I might buy this product...any ideas where I > might find it and the approximate cost? > > Brooke Thomas > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 12 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 19:52:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] Surviving Edged Weapons Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Find it at ayoob.com. Do a search of his (Mas's) product list for 'edged'. The Code Name is SEW. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 13 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 20:11:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] SEW, part 2 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net wrt the video Surviving Edged Weapons, I first saw it in the LFI-1 class 15 or so years ago. It is supposed to only be sold to LEOs, but most anyone can actually buy it. See the link I provided eariler. Keep in mind this video sounds like it might be a knife defense video. It is not. It is about being mentally prepared for a (possible) knife attack. It is about surviving the attack, how quickly it occurs, what is like to be stabbed and what it is like after you are stabbed. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest