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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,100 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: The Fog! (ABurrese@aol.com) 2. Qestion about disarms (Frank Clay) 3. Surviving Edged Weapons (Frank Clay) 4. RE: The Fog!! (michael tomlinson) 5. RE: Surviving edged weapons video (Howard Spivey) 6. Re: Surviving Edged Weapons (tkdtom) 7. SEW (Dennis McHenry) 8. Re: RE: Surviving edged weapons video (Ray) 9. More Chuck (Ray Terry) 10. Fixed Bayonets Answer (rwood) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 23:58:27 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: The Fog! Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Clint, I am very sorry to hear about your brother. While I have not had the same experience, I have lost people very close, as many others have too. We all have to cope the best we can, and that means different things for different people. Thoughts and prayers are with you and the rest of your family during this tough time. You'll cope. It won't be easy, but you will. Be strong for the rest of your family. Draw from your training to have that strength. Thoughts are with you, Alain _www.burrese.com_ (http://www.burrese.com) --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Frank Clay" To: Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 09:28:43 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Qestion about disarms Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Craig said: << Firearms are supposed to be considered loaded at all times. If a pair are going to use a weapon for training, all parties should safety the weapon, remove the clip, and ensure the weapon is safe. If the weapon ever changes hands, this should be done again. 'gun's aren't toys' and should never be used by minors... ever.... just my $0.02>> I FIRMLY agree with both he and Ray. I fail to see why law enforcement trainers are not acceptable? They may be a different color but they are similar in weight. If you insist on using something that looks real then I'd use a piece from the Collectors Armoury. Its infinitely safer. That being said, you need to use caution with these too. Even though they can only fire blanks, there was an actor who put it to his head and discharged a blank. The packing penetrated his skull and killed him. The nice thing is that these "weapons" eject shells that are re-useable. BUT, if you were to play with them, they WOULD be considered firearms and may end up getting you stopped at gun point. Check out http://secure.countywebsite.com/cgi-bin/mivavm?collectorsarmoury.com/merchan t2/merchant.mvc+Screen=PROD&Store_Code=CA&Product_Code=38-122 Now, I would like to point out that I really do think that you should be using trainers. I have used them and I have successfully defended myself (which is not something I recommend - I was VERY very lucky and very very stupid and that was against a knife. I still have the scars to prove it.) Frank --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Frank Clay" To: Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 09:16:18 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Surviving Edged Weapons Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Brooke, Excellent training device. You may have to borrow it from local law enforcement. When I viewed it, it was already a bit old and may no longer be in active circulation. That being said, I'd also like to recommend a book for you, and you may have to go to a law enforcement supplier to get it. I don't remember the exact title but its something to the effect of Street Encounters. Its written by a couple federal agents. Its also an eye opener to violent crime and how to do deal with it. f. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] The Fog!! Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 15:31:13 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sorry to hear about your loved ones losing their lives...my condolences are with you...many years ago I had a martial arts teacher tell us all a story that I have never forgot in all these years I was eleven years old when I heard it and I hope this helps in some small way: Centuries ago the war lords battled for Japan. They hired many samurai to do their bidding. After the Shogun took power of Japan thousands of Samurai were released from their duties and wandered the country as Ronin or masterless Samurai. Early one morning in a small village one of these Ronin were passing through when a man named Toshi happened to mindlessly walk in front of him on the street. The Ronin became offended that a mere commoner would cross his path and scolded Toshi. Toshi apologized, but that was not enough for the Samuai. The Samurai challenged Toshi to a duel to the death that evening at sunset on the edge of the village. The Samurai then went to the local Inn to wait for the time of the duel. Having never handled a sword and being nothing but a common worker Toshi was afraid. He went to the local swordmaster that morning and explained his situation and ask him to teach him the sword before the day ended. The swordmaster told Toshi that there was really nothing he could teach him in such a short time and that at the end of today he would surely die when he met the battle hardened Samurai. He bid Toshi farewell and told him to enjoy his last day on earth. Toshi went home to his meager house and decided to live his last day in happiness. He contemplated what he loved most and that was doing pen and ink landscape drawings. He always drew them in his spare time and loved being outside in nature. So Toshi gathered up his paper and inks and went to the edge of the village to live his last day on earth. During the afternoon he drew many views of the forest at the edge of the village. After several hours he actually forgot about his oncoming death at the hands of the Samurai and became one with his drawing. Before sunset the Samurai crept to the edge of the forest to survey the area and to make sure he himself would not be ambushed by anyone. As the Samurai surveyed the area from behind some trees he saw Toshi in the clearing happily drawing with his pen and inks. The Samurai stood in amazement as he watched this man without a sword concentrating on his drawing with a smile on his face. The Samurai noticed that Toshi moved with the ease of a master and that his level of concentration matched that of his own when he was swinging his sword. After observing Toshi for close to an sunset was near. The Samurai entered the clearing and approached Toshi. Toshi was not startled at all and still had a slight smile on his face as the Samurai came face to face with him. Toshi was totally at peace with himself and his fate. The Samurai stared into Toshi's eye's and saw nothing but a calm serenity and at that moment instead of drawing his sword the Samurai bowed to Toshi. The Samurai then told Toshi that he had been observing him and that he understood that Toshi was a great master and that dueling him with a sword would accomplish nothing. The Samurai then bid him farewell and apologized to Toshi for being so insulent in the village. My martial arts teacher then told the class this: Everyone will die one day, it is only a natural part of the rhythm of life. Since you know this you should live your life like Toshi did when he thought it was his last day. Be passionate, concentrate, and enjoy the things that mean the most to you, and keep a smile on your face for you never know when that time will be. Michael Tomlinson --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Howard Spivey" To: Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 11:42:20 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Surviving edged weapons video Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Brooke, I too tried to get a copy of this video, and couldn't. Apparently it's only available thru law enforcement agencies like police departments. At the time I tried to get a copy, the vendor was a company that dealt only with official LEOs. Too bad, because I've heard from people who have seen the video that it's very good, and will convince most people that no matter how much you train knife defenses, you're still at a major disadvantage going up unarmed against a knife wielder. I continue to train in knife defenses in Hapkido, but I pray that I never again have to face a knife attack. Regards, Howard --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 02:38:00 -0500 From: tkdtom To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Surviving Edged Weapons Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Look at: http://66.228.132.107/cgi-bin/miva?Merchant2/merchant.mv+Screen=PROD&Store_Code=Ayoob&Product_Code=SEW Ray wrote: >Find it at ayoob.com. Do a search of his (Mas's) product list for 'edged'. >The Code Name is SEW. > >Ray Terry >rterry@idiom.com >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 13:54:33 -0600 From: Dennis McHenry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] SEW Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I've also seen Surviving Edged Weapons - as far as I knew it was only for LEOs. I was shown it by a Federal Agent who thought I'd be interested in watching knowing I was in Martial Arts. Scary stuff - very eye opening. Mac --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE: Surviving edged weapons video To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:36:36 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Brooke, I too tried to get a copy of this video, and couldn't. Apparently > it's only available thru law enforcement agencies like police departments. > At the time I tried to get a copy, the vendor was a company that dealt only > with official LEOs. Try http://ayoob.com. I'm pretty sure that you can get it from Mas's Police Bookshelf. That is where I and also several of my students obtained copies. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:44:10 -0800 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] More Chuck Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Young Chuck Norris Debuts on Saturday Night Live Saturday, January 21st, 2006 Entertainment News While it wasn't any Lazy Sunday, the SNL Digital Short Young Chuck Norris video will surely make the rounds of the Internet in due time. When it does, we'll be sure to post it. Chuck Norris has become somewhat of an Internet icon in recent months. This came on the heels of Walker Texas Ranger clips on Late Night with Conan O'Brien. In recent months, 30 Facts About Chuck Norris (and other Norris additions) Chuck Norris Bio A native of Ryan, Oklahoma, Norris has two younger brothers, Wieland and Aaron Norris, the latter of which is a Hollywood producer. Norris was born to an alcoholic Cherokee Indian father and Irish mother. When Norris was ten, his parents divorced and he later relocated to Torrance, California with his mother and brothers. Norris describes his childhood as downbeat. He was unathletic, shy, and scholastically mediocre. Kids would taunt his mixed ethnicity — wistfully he wanted to beat up his tormenters. He finished high school and soon married his girlfriend, Diane Holechek. In 1958 Norris joined the United States Air Force as a Military Policeman and was sent to Osan Air Base South Korea. It was in South Korea that Norris acquired the nickname Chuck and began his training in Tang Soo Do. When he returned to the states he continued to act as an MP at March Air Force Base California. Norris was discharged in August of 1962 without seeing combat. He worked for the Northrop corporation and opened a chain of karate schools, which the son of Steve McQueen attended. In 1963, his son Mike was born; a second son, Eric, followed in 1965. In 1970, his younger brother Weiland was killed in Vietnam. Norris later dedicated his Missing in Action films to his brother's memory. At a martial arts demonstration in Long Beach, Norris met the soon to be famous Bruce Lee, who would ingrain Norris in martial arts history forever with his portrayal as Bruce Lee's nemesis in the Way of the Dragon. In 1988, after 30 years of marriage, Norris and Holechek divorced. He married again in 1998, this time to former model Gena O'Kelley, and she delivered twins in 2001: Dakota Alan Norris, a boy, and Danilee Kelly Norris, a girl. In 1968, Norris became Middleweight Karate champion (non-contact), a title he held for seven consecutive years. In 1969, he won Karate's triple crown for the most tournament wins of the year, and the fighter of the year award by Black Belt magazine. It was also in 1969 that Norris made his acting debut, in the Dean Martin movie The Wrecking Crew. In 1972, he acted alongside Bruce Lee in the movie Way of the Dragon, and in 1974, McQueen encouraged him to begin acting classes at the MGM Studio. Norris' first starring role was 1977's Breaker, Breaker!, and subsequent films such as The Octagon (1980), An Eye for an Eye (1981), and Lone Wolf McQuade proved his increasing box office bankability. In 1984, Norris starred in Missing in Action, the first of a series of POW rescue fantasies produced by Israeli cousins Menahem Golan and Yoram Globus and released under their Cannon Films banner. Over the next four years, Norris became Cannon's most prominent star, appearing in eight films, including Code of Silence, The Delta Force and Firewalker, in which he co-starred with Academy Award winner Louis Gossett, Jr. By the close of the 1980s, Cannon Films had faded from prominence, and Norris' star appeal seemed to go with it. He reprised his Delta Force role for MGM, who had acquired the Cannon library after the latter's Chapter 11 bankruptcy. Norris went on to make several more largely ignored films before making a transition to television. In 1993, he began shooting the series Walker, Texas Ranger, which lasted eight years on CBS and continued in heavy syndication on other channels. Late Night with Conan O'Brien's parent company, NBC, aquired Universal in early 2004, giving O'Brien permission to show footage of Walker, Texas Ranger without paying royalties. O'Brien and his writers subsequently created a new segment in which O'Brien shows short, out of context clips for comedic purposes. The "Walker, Texas Ranger Lever" quickly became one of the most popular segments on Late Night, with Norris himself showing up to parody his show and used his martial arts on O'Brien. --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "rwood" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 08:21:22 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Fixed Bayonets Answer Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Sims wrote: Given the recent exchange about the use of guns and long-guns does anyone know if the focus in disarms (especially in the military) still includes the matter of dealing with attacks by fixed bayonets. With the passage from the M-14 to the M16 I know that bayonet is still practiced as an offensive weapon. I am wondering if the use of the shorter weapon such as the m16 and its AK counterpart has reduced the focus on disarming long-rifle weapons. To my mind it would seem to heighten the need, but thats just me. Anyone? Best Wishes, Bruce Mr. Sims, The Marine Corps has instituted a training program known a Marine Corps Martial Arts Program (MCMAP). The MCMAP, from what I have been able to find out is that it is a mixed MA. The student learns punches, open hand strikes, kicks, throws, take downs, and grappling. The Students also learn to use whatever they can get their hands on as well. In the course of study they student learns to attack with and defend against all types of weapons, including fixed bayonets IHS, Rob --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest