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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,100 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. RE: Posts (Erik Brann) 2. Fighters V. Martial Artist (Stovall, Craig) 3. US Open - TKD (Ray) 4. Sir George (Gladewater SooBahkDo) 5. Uniform question (Craig Zeigler) 6. USAT Events (Ray) 7. RE: Uniform question (Kay Ethier-Above and Beyond Language Learning) 8. Re: Fighters V. Martial Artist (Tim) 9. UK martial arts ace cleared (Ray Terry) 10. AFFA patch thanks (Ray) 11. Hack's fake certs (Frank Clay) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Erik Brann" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Posts Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 07:34:39 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Well for my own part, I'm trying to find where I stand, then if possible "come home" to the USMDKSBD Association. I wasn't trying to injure anyone's feelings, nor parade any kind of agenda of disrespect to KJN Hwang. I want to find my roots. Master Cox, I apologize if any of my comments caused any chagrin. Erik Brann Just a lost student trying to find his home. -----Original Message----- From: George Peters [mailto:kyosag@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 9:23 PM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Posts Good Sir, Those posts by you and Erik Brann should have poor Master Cox kicking his dog for a good long while.:) I genuinely like Master Cox and have a lot of respect for him and his knowledge, I just agree that if there is a line of descent from the MDK, then it is only right to acknowledge this, kind of like how ancient knights and nobility showed their descent on their coat of arms. Each generation a little different, but enough the same so you knew who they were with a glance. I LOVED the comment on the "borrowed Shotokan materials". It is a matter of great sensitivity to the ranking members of their federation. I personally can see where countries in such close proximity could easily exchange techniques if not whole arts, but then I don't have any nationalistic fervor to steer my path. I may end up in the same org some day with Master Cox if the one I'm in does not stop the politics and money grubbing. I do not see so much of this where he is. Do you think that I'm just seeing greener grass on the other side of the fence? Respectfully, George _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 08:13:03 -0600 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Fighters V. Martial Artist Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<>> A few rotten apples spoil the bunch, eh? I would say that guys like Randy Couture embody the true martial arts spirit. To be sure, MMA has it's share of goofy characters...Tank Abbot, Chris Leben, Ryan Gracie, Enson Inoue, etc. However, there are numerous fighters in MMA like Randy, Royce Gracie, Rich Franklin, and the like who are intelligent and mature. They carry themselves with a dignity that the other fighters should be quick to emulate, but unfortunately the road to the top in this sport is often made quicker by "playing to the audience". And we all know that the "bad boy" is often more appreciated in today's society than the "quiet hero". Or, at least the squeaky wheel tends to get the grease. Please...don't judge them all too soon. --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:33:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] US Open - TKD Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net U.S. Open List of Participating Countries - USA Taekwondo Country -------- Albania Australia Austria Brazil Canada China Congo Costa Rica Cote D'ivoire Croatia Denmark Dominican Republic Gabon Germany Ghana Guatemala Hungary India Iran Israel Japan Jordan Mexico Nepal Nigeria Norway Panama Peru Philippines Puerto Rico Romania Russia Senegal Serbia And Montenegro Sweden Taiwan UK USA --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: "the_dojang" Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:34:15 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] Sir George Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sir George Thank You for the kind words. I have been in the US Soo Bahk Do Moo Duk Kwan Federation Inc. for many years. When I first joined the Moo Duk Kwan I was a member of the WTF TKD organization, and the US SBD MDK was the US Tang Soo Do Moo Duk Kwan Fereration Inc. Once you made Cho Dan you became a member of the Korean Soo Bahk Do Association. You are right about the politics. I believe politcs exist in every organization to some degree, however It is not running ramped in this Org. As for all the post, It did not bother me. I just want facts, truth, verifiable evidence, etc. It is correct that Hwang Kee Kwan Jang Nim adopted the Pyung Ahn Hyungs, Passai, and some other material from books while working for the RR. The difference IMHO lies in the fact that-- that was a different time in history. Martial Arts information was not on every street corner. Those that found a source of information absorbed it completely becasue they had a sinsere desire to learn. Today there is no lack of information, and people in the US seem to be more interested in money, fame, and recognition. Although the founders of the original Kwans may have wanted those things too, I beleive they were more interested in reliable information either by instructors, books, or what ever method was available. So to compare Hwang Kee Adopting information for Funikoshi's books, and modern Martial arts adopting the Moo Duk Kwan name is not comparing apples with apples. JCGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:21:45 -0500 From: Craig Zeigler To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Uniform question Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Over the weekend I saw a group of MA students in uniform at a local hangout, and I noticed their uniforms had writing all over the place. The entire back was covered with a big graphic and the school's name underneath, and their name was written on the front. Is this normal practice or just shameless advertising? When I saw their names written on the front, I instantly thought of those 'Hello, My Name Is:' badges you see at big gatherings. Although I am terrible with names, I see it as part of my duty to remember people's names. Perhaps if you run a school large enough that you can't possible remember people's names, I can see you doing that, but for some reason it just doesn't seem right. Just wondering what is normal practice in the rest of the world. --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 12:07:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] USAT Events Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net USA Taekwondo 2006 Schedule of Events ================================================================== U.S. Open February 16-19, 2006 Dallas, TX National Qualifier #1 April 1-2, 2006 Rochester, MN National Qualifier #2 April 8-9, 2006 Portland, OR National Qualifier #3 April 22-23, 2006 Anaheim, CA National Qualifier #4 May 13-14, 2006 Dallas, TX National Qualifier #5 May 20-21, 2006 Buffalo, NY National Qualifier #6 May 27-28, 2006 Miami, FL Junior Olympics July 6-9, 2006 Atlanta, GA --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Kay Ethier-Above and Beyond Language Learning" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Uniform question Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:09:35 -0500 Organization: Above and Beyond Language Learning Inc. Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi: At our school, it says "Tang Soo Do Moo Duk Kwon" on the back with our school name in the center. I agree it is advertising, but also helps us spot each other at events. :-) We are part of the International Tang Soo Do Federation, and there is writing on one sleeve that I've been told says Defense in One Technique or something like that. I should remember! On the front, we wear membership patches but only if we are ITF members. I've seen instructors come to visit that had many additional patches on the front as well as patches down both sleeves...don't know what the criteria is for adding these to the uniform. Kay -----Original Message----- From: Craig Zeigler Over the weekend I saw a group of MA students in uniform at a local hangout, and I noticed their uniforms had writing all over the place. The entire back was covered with a big graphic and the school's name underneath, and their name was written on the front. Is this normal practice or just shameless advertising? When I saw their names written on the front, I instantly thought of those 'Hello, My Name Is:' badges you see at big gatherings. Although I am terrible with names, I see it as part of my duty to remember people's names. Perhaps if you run a school large enough that you can't possible remember people's names, I can see you doing that, but for some reason it just doesn't seem right. Just wondering what is normal practice in the rest of the world. --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Tim" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Fighters V. Martial Artist Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:20:38 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Don't forget that even in ancient Korea only the elite Hwrang fighters possessed the qualities that we consider core elements today. The MMA is still a very young sport and eventually they will come around or they will self destruct. Remember too that drama sells and just like in the world of professional wrestling some of the trash talk builds ticket sales. My thoughts, Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stovall, Craig" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 9:13 AM Subject: [The_Dojang] Fighters V. Martial Artist > << Martial Artists. They do not exhibit any qualities taught by any > respectable dojang. They are not polite, patient, or respectful of > others. Personally I believe them to give the Martial Arts community a > black eye.>>> > > > > A few rotten apples spoil the bunch, eh? I would say that guys like > Randy Couture embody the true martial arts spirit. To be sure, MMA has > it's share of goofy characters...Tank Abbot, Chris Leben, Ryan Gracie, > Enson Inoue, etc. However, there are numerous fighters in MMA like > Randy, Royce Gracie, Rich Franklin, and the like who are intelligent and > mature. They carry themselves with a dignity that the other fighters > should be quick to emulate, but unfortunately the road to the top in > this sport is often made quicker by "playing to the audience". And we > all know that the "bad boy" is often more appreciated in today's society > than the "quiet hero". Or, at least the squeaky wheel tends to get the > grease. > > > > Please...don't judge them all too soon. > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:00:24 -0800 From: Ray Terry To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] UK martial arts ace cleared Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Martial arts ace cleared of groping sportsman Jan 31 2006 SouthLondon A MEMBER of England's tae kwon do team wept after he was cleared of touching up a fellow martial arts enthusiast. Hong Looi insisted the other sportsman invented the allegation because he was jealous of his success and fancied his girlfriend. Looi, 25, who represented England at the 2004 European Championships in Finland, said he now wanted to represent Ireland at the sport. The 24-year-old, who cannot be named, said he was sexually assaulted by Looi after a training session in November 2004. He said he fell asleep at Looi's home after a drinking session. The man claimed he woke to find Looi fondling him. "I felt disgusted," he said. But Looi, a former member of the Docklands Tae Kwon Do Club, said the man made up the story. A jury at Inner London Crown Court acquitted Looi of one count of sexual assault between November 19 and 20, 2004. He wept as he left court on Thursday and said: "This has been a horrific experience. I always maintained my innocence. "There has been a complicated background of politics in this case. "I want to get on with my life and to continue to practise my tae kwon do to a very high level. "I have been invited to fight for the Irish team. The Irish team has supported me from day one." Looi, of Ebbisham Drive, Vauxhall, denied sexual assault. --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:05:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] AFFA patch thanks Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Thanks to the Yeagley's at the Academy of Fighting Arts for sending a patch from American Federation Fighting Arts - AFFA. Much appreciated. I'll be sure to add a scanned image of the AFFA patch to those currently available at http://martialartsresource.com/korean/patch/patches.html ... P.O. Box 110841 Campbell, CA 95011-0841 hint hint for the others... :) Thanks again. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "Frank Clay" To: Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 19:39:57 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Hack's fake certs Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net One point... Mr. Hackworth never claimed that the HMK certificate was signed by Oh Se Lim. He was very clear that this was his kwan. For that reason, I don't think the HMK certificate should be listed. That is no different than any number of certificates issued by others. For the record, I am not a supporter of Mr. Hackworth. I resent what he has done and find that I myself am highly untrusting of virtually everyone now save for a distinct few. Frank --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest