Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 08:23:22 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 13 #59 - 11 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,100 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Chinese and Korean (S. H. Wee) 2. Re: THE LAW (Taekwondo America) 3. fighters v. martial artists (tim collatz) 4. cheesy Chuck (Ray) 5. Re: re: GM Bong Soo Han (Jye nigma) 6. Re: 19th Century demo (Ray) 7. Carlson Gracie, Sr., RIP (Ray) 8. The 24-year-old (rwood) 9. RE: 19th Century demo (Rick Clark) 10. RE: Uniform Question (Jeff Yeagley) 11. Fighters V. Martial Artist (Stovall, Craig) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 11:26:57 +0800 From: "S. H. Wee" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Chinese and Korean Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hanja/Kanji, similar to Sanskript was once the characters reserved for the "higher" class ppl such as royalties and scholars in contrast to the characters used by the "common" folks. If you look at the royal scriptures from both Ancient Japan and Korea, they are almost all written in Kanji/Hanja. S. H. Wee >Message: 2 >From: "Bob Banham" >To: >Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:02:37 -0000 >Subject: [The_Dojang] Chinese and Korean >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >Dr Kimm's business cards are the same. As I suspect are a great number of >Koreans who operate within an English speaking population. > >Bob --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 21:30:56 -0600 From: Taekwondo America To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] THE LAW Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net or prosecuted. Cheryl Gordon wrote: >"The 24-year-old, who cannot be named, said he was sexually assaulted..." > > > >This has always stuck in my craw. If someone alleges sexual assault, ruins >someone's good name, then our legal system acquits the accused, why can the >"false" accuser not be named? > > > >Gordon Okerstrom >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "tim collatz" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 22:17:34 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] fighters v. martial artists Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net  "They do not exhibit any qualities taught by any respectable dojang." After my experience in taekwondo and being ripped off I don't see many respectable qualities from that group either. It appalls me that people who teach courtesy, integrity, and the Spirit of the Eight Manners didn't step up and say "not in my community". This includes the USTU and the Kikkiwon. Tim ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Search, shop, and browse smarter using tabs with the MSN Search Toolbar-FREE! --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:29:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] cheesy Chuck Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Chuck Norris is more than cheesy TV acting by Joel Porter North Dakota State University Since recent news around NDSU has been somewhat slow, other than the men's basketball team's triumphant victory over the Badgers, I thought I'd stop for a moment and write something about the greatest martial arts fighter/actor in American history. A man who is also a personal hero and the celebrity I can't get enough of. No, I'm not talking about Steven Seagal -- I mean Chuck Norris. He's starred in movies including "The Delta Force," "Missing in Action," "Firewalker" and "Lone Wolf McQuade." It's fair to say that the actor and retired undefeated martial arts star has achieved legendary status in the United States. When the country was afraid we would never hear from him again, Conan O'Brien brought him back on the air with hilarious clips from the TV show, "Walker, Texas Ranger." This also led to hundreds of Chuck Norris facts posted on the Internet and Facebook walls across the country. But these facts didn't exactly stop at Chuck Norris. They've spilled over to include Mr. T and Vin Diesel. I wouldn't stop there either. I want to see Seagal facts and Jean Claude Van Damme legends as well. While humorous, I feel the other facts don't hold a candle to the Chuck Norris legends. Especially when you consider that in March, Norris will celebrate his 66th birthday. I don't think Chuck Norris gets enough credit. His sterling career has spanned numerous decades. He has no shortage of impressive accomplishments. According to the Web site imdb.com, Norris has founded two of his own martial arts: Chun Kuk Do ("The Universal Way") and American Tang Soo Do. He's also a six-time world karate champion and a card-carrying National Rifle Association member (not that he needs a gun). Many will argue that his movies and his long-standing TV series are littered with bad acting and ridiculous plot lines. I've often wondered to myself how in every episode, when Chuck Norris gets into a fight, his cowboy hat doesn't fall off. Or the fact that after he's done fighting off bad guys and drug dealers, his character Cordell Walker still has time to woo Alex, answer all Trivette's questions and eat a bowl of chili without breaking a sweat. What exactly makes Chuck Norris such an icon? It could be the fact that he has one of the greatest beards on earth, or that his selfless acts are contributions to America's youth, which make him a fantastic role model. I'd also add that he can beat anybody on the Total Gym. But this begs the question: how much longer can Norris keep this up? Most actors his age are gray-haired and are taking on less-active roles in movies. I'm willing to wager that Norris will never stop. He may have retired from competitive martial arts fighting, but he'll still be in the public eye. I'd bet that Norris will have enough air in his tank to appear in movies for another 15 years. Whether or not his roundhouse kicks will be as powerful then remains to be seen. Chuck Norris should not only have a star on Hollywood, but he should have a statue of himself in every U.S. city with a population greater than 500,000 people (with the exception of Texas, which I feel should rename Dallas to "Norris"). --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 04:12:53 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] re: GM Bong Soo Han To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Has he recovered yet? Jye Lorne Keatley wrote: I am truly saddened to hear of GM Han's illness. That can be truly devestating and I surely do wish him a speedy recovery. Lorne Keatley --------------------------------- Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] 19th Century demo To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 05:59:29 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Interesting clip - any idea who it is and where they are from? I saw it > was from England, but not much else. Don't know who. But I seriously doubt it was from the 19th Century as it claims. More likely the early 20th. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 06:05:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] Carlson Gracie, Sr., RIP Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Carlson Gracie, Sr., considered in Brazil as the greatest fighter in the > world during the 50s and 60s, passed away earlier today. > > He was in rough shape last night after passing a kidney stone and was found > to be suffering from a liver infection. > > After Helio Gracie suffered a broken arm in his final fight against a > younger Brazilian in the late 50s, younger brother Carlson avenged that > defeat and defeated many others to earn the symbolic claim as the toughest > fighter. > > He is the father of Renzo and Ralph Gracie and uncle of Royce, Rickson and > Royler Gracie. Carlson had run the Carlson Gracie Jiu Jitsu Academy in > Chicago and was the coach of Stephan Bonnar. --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "rwood" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 08:36:35 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] The 24-year-old Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The British Legal System. As peculiar as their humor. :) IHS, Rob Wood He who ignores disciple comes to poverty and shame, but whoever heeds correction is honored. Proverbs 13:18 --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 09:41:33 -0500 From: "Rick Clark" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] 19th Century demo To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Ray, I sent this link over to some of my guys in the UK - one is a Ph.D. in history and did not think the clothing was 19th cent., some of the others think it's a spoof from a comedian. Rick Clark "I am not young enough to know everything." - Oscar Wilde www.ao-denkou-kai.org >-----Original Message----- >From: Ray [mailto:rterry@idiom.com] >Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 8:59 AM >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] 19th Century demo > > >> Interesting clip - any idea who it is and where they are >from? I saw >> it was from England, but not much else. > >Don't know who. But I seriously doubt it was from the 19th >Century as it claims. More likely the early 20th. > >Ray Terry >rterry@idiom.com _______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Jeff Yeagley" To: Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 09:26:29 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Uniform Question Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net At tournaments, I occasionally saw students from other TKD schools with their name in Korean down the left lapel of their dobok. I always thought that was sort of cool, until someone from one of these schools told me that this was done because the head instructor didn't even know the lower rank students' names. I agree with Craig - I also believe that it's my responsibility to know each students name, but just as important, I feel I should know each student's strengths and weaknesses. This is my yardstick for how large our dojang grows, though it's not always easy, especially as I become older, and more memory-challenged! We recently moved to a new 6000 square foot facility because I felt our 90+ students were too cramped in the previous 3000 square foot building. While the new building could probably serve 150 - 175 students comfortably, my goal is to focus on our existing students first, and let the membership grow naturally. Not exactly the business model, I know, but I'd rather be sabomnim than CEO. It seems to have worked for me so far, anyway. See some pictures of our new dojang on our website at: http://wetrainharder.com/PhotoAlbum.aspx?aid=23862873-c667-4740-bb78-80d9fd7 a4b57&pg=2 In answer to Craig's question, normal practice for our dojang is the school name/logo silk-screened or embroidered on the back of the dobok, and the federation patch on the left chest. Sincerely, Jeff Yeagley Chief Instructor Academy of Fighting Arts Business Phone: 816-525-5555 Web: http://www.wetrainharder.com "Over the weekend I saw a group of MA students in uniform at a local hangout, and I noticed their uniforms had writing all over the place. The entire back was covered with a big graphic and the school's name underneath, and their name was written on the front. Is this normal practice or just shameless advertising? When I saw their names written on the front, I instantly thought of those 'Hello, My Name Is:' badges you see at big gatherings. Although I am terrible with names, I see it as part of my duty to remember people's names. Perhaps if you run a school large enough that you can't possible remember people's names, I can see you doing that, but for some reason it just doesn't seem right. Just wondering what is normal practice in the rest of the world." -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.0/248 - Release Date: 2/1/2006 --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 09:56:07 -0600 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Fighters V. Martial Artist Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<>> In all fairness, I could throw this same question back on any pee-wee league basketball coach. I mean really...how can basketball programs help my kid when the professional ranks of the sport are now dominated by people with tattoos on their neck who are somehow under the impression that money and fame are the ultimate validations of self-worth? I can barely watch pro football anymore. Do you know why? Because the players act like wankers (that one's to make our British friends laugh). I can only say this...don't throw out the program because the pro players are acting like goofs. To be honest, I could run a school teaching "traditional KMA" in terms of all the physical movements and requirements. But, if I don't build a CULTURE of honesty, integrity, and respect within the school then you simply won't have those things. And that's a very critical point right there...there's a very big difference between mastering the physical requirements of an art, and adopting the values and moral concepts that are often "packaged" with the arts in their modern context. Another thing at work here is the common misconception that martial arts have always been about honor, truth, integrity, etc. That is not the case. The martial arts grew out of survival. At their root, the MA's are about "to live", and only in recent times have they come to address the issue of "how to live". The battlefield arts of Japan were not about honor and integrity no matter how long and often Hollywood writers want to paint that impression. They were merely a political tool with the express purpose of maintaining and expanding the holdings of the various feudal lords. It was only when gunpowder and political stability made them obsolete did we see their movement toward a civilian application for personal development. From the bugei arts we get the budo arts. So, can we have martial arts without having an overlay of a moral and ethical code? I think the answer to that is "yes". The bigger question is how SHOULD it be, and unfortunately there are no cut and dry answers to that question. In the end, that has to be up to the instructor and the practitioner. Only the teacher can pass it along, and only the student can live up to it. But, at the end of the day this has nothing to do with "MMA". I can go to karate tournaments and see "traditional MA" students acting like prancing assholes and be reminded that most of us need to get our houses in order before we start pointing fingers at singular approaches to unarmed combat. At the end of the day, it is not a "martial art" that instills all these values that you are talking about...it is the example and modeling of another HUMAN BEING that does that. So, no matter what physical discipline I teach I can either choose to have these value systems or NOT have these value systems. FWIW, there are more than a few instructors in BJJ circles who recognize a shortcoming in that area, and there are some grassroots movements to promote more of the traditional martial arts values within the BJJ community. This is especially important since more and more children seem to be getting into BJJ and grappling. I don't know if this influence will bleed over into the larger MMA phenomenon, but if it does it can only work to bring some good. I don't know if this addresses your concerns, but I can only say that "I hear ya". As with all things, it's still a work in process and we'll see where MMA heads in the coming decades. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest