Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:53:20 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 13 #80 - 11 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,100 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. New to Hwarangdo (Sharon Tkach) 2. Ray and his expanding family (JR West) 3. Qi Gong (Woodard Brian (ChP/TEF8)) 4. Re: RE; rank Recognition (Jason E. Thomas) 5. RE: What is: Yu - Won - Hap (PETER.MCDONALDSMITH@london-fire.gov.uk) 6. RE: Where in the UK ru based? (PETER.MCDONALDSMITH@london-fire.gov.uk) 7. Help with Yu, Won, Wha (Chosondo@aol.com) 8. RE: Ray and his expanding family (michael tomlinson) 9. Ranking Orgs (Frank Clay) 10. RE: Help with Yu, Won, Wha (michael tomlinson) 11. RE: Help with Yu, Won, Wha (John Johnson) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Sharon Tkach" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 23:38:44 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] New to Hwarangdo Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Welcome, Mark. ~Sharon >The realm of Korean martial arts is completely new to me, and I look >forward >to reading this digest. --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "JR West" To: Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 05:58:55 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Ray and his expanding family Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Many congratulation to my old friends Mr. and Mrs. Ray Terry, who were joined in matrimony yesterday on Valentines Day. All you ladies can go on and on about how sweet it was for Ray to pick THAT day, but I feel pretty sure that I heard him say, "you mean todays Valentines day?....cool!" .....J. R. West in deepest, darkest Jackson MS......www.hapkido.com --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:04:18 -0500 From: "Woodard Brian (ChP/TEF8)" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Qi Gong Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Master Dan; Do you have any books on Qi (Chi) Gong that you would recommend to someone isterested but has no experience. Brian D. Woodard -----Original Message----- From: Dan Scholten [mailto:masterdan@gci.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 10:59 PM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] To Mark Lawrence regarding training at 52 Dear Mark since you have trained in some Chinese styles you should have learned something about Chi Gong which can be shortened to a western translation as Medical Meditation. Ten years ago I damaged four vertebrae in my lower back. I went back to what my Master had taught me, a half Chinese Korean doctor who had trained with Shoalin monks for ten years and the book heal your own back. I designed a three day a week work out routine about 45 minutes to 75 minutes depending on time. I not only healed my back but all of a sudden was able to teach TKD and do things better at 53 than I could at 20, more flexibility, better balance less or no pain working or teaching. It changed my life and I have had great joy in sharing with people that have never been off the couch to other masters who have seen a difference in just one work out. The basic work out starts with 5 minutes of Chi Gong breathing and movements, then 5 minutes of lower lumbar exercises, then 30 minutes stretching and breathing all muscle groups and joints combined with Chi Gong, ending with a 10 minute passive spinal adjustment that aligns all the vertebra while you lay flat on the floor with towels after doing a spinal twist to melt the disks in your back. Your entire health will change and gain an ability to do pretty much anything you would like to do with in reason. Bottom line three days a week of light conditioning and on the heavy days consider any instructor should be teaching to your specific age and health concerns/ if it is not healthy for you or going to cause injury then why do it?? I would also highly recommend you buy and read the book Fit For Life and Fit For Life II This diet life style book is written with the concept of Chi Gong in mind and can really speed up or assist with improving your health and energy. Master Dan _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 05:15:44 -0800 (PST) From: "Jason E. Thomas" Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE; rank Recognition To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I personally value someone's knowledge, experience and skill on the mat. As it's possible to go on the internet and pay for Kukiwon certification and simply wait out your time per dan. It's questionable in my opinion as to its value, other than lining the pockets of a distant group of people. Manuel Maldonado wrote: the other. So my personal option is Kukiwon. My 2 cents. --__--__-- Message: 5 Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] What is: Yu - Won - Hap Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:31:01 -0000 From: To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Thank you Sir, A true gentleman. I will print it out and study it. **************************************************************************** SMOKE ALARMS SAVE LIVES Go to London Fire at www.london-fire.gov.uk/firesafety This email is confidential to the addressee only. If you do not believe that you are the intended addressee, do not use, pass on or copy it in any way. If you have received it in error, please delete it immediately and telephone the supplied number, reversing the charges if necessary. --__--__-- Message: 6 Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Where in the UK ru based? Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:37:16 -0000 From: To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Thank you for injecting a little humour in my otherwise slightly stressful day. I'm flying out to Hong Kong tomorrow. This will be my biggest competition to date. I'll let you all know how I get on. What I also found funny was the amount of typos in my post. -----Original Message----- From: Rick Clark [mailto:rick.aodenkou@verizon.net] Sent: 10 February 2006 21:41 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Where in the UK ru based? Hi Peter, >I don't have a problem driving long distances but on a week day when I have to go to work that's a problem. I have driven >in the mid west with those long straight wide roads. We don't really have roads like those. Oh come on Peter - the M25 is a wonderful place to park your car :-) This is a perfect example of why guns are so hard to own in the UK! God only knows if you had them over there you would have so many deaths due to road rage you could not count them all! :-) > And the ones that are like that are chocker block with traffic or have the every pernicious speed cameras. Don't I go on! Train hard Driving the M25 does give you a chance to practice patience and perseverance that's for sure. Rick Clark www.ao-denkou-kai.org _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang **************************************************************************** SMOKE ALARMS SAVE LIVES Go to London Fire at www.london-fire.gov.uk/firesafety This email is confidential to the addressee only. If you do not believe that you are the intended addressee, do not use, pass on or copy it in any way. If you have received it in error, please delete it immediately and telephone the supplied number, reversing the charges if necessary. --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Chosondo@aol.com Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:14:52 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Help with Yu, Won, Wha Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Greetings DDers, I need a little help with the origin and use of the supposed core principles of Hapkido; Yu, Won, Wha. I would like to know who originated the use of these principles. This might sound like a strange inquiry but it dawned on me recently that I do not know who formulated these principles or how they came to be an integral part of the practice of Hapkido. I am in the process of writting an article for Taekwondo Times on the "Technical and Conceptual Evolution of Hapkido" and I discussed this extensively with Doju Ji Han Jae. I was surprised to learn that these principles were not formulated by him. Further, he does not subcribed to these principles. Have any of you (who have attended his seminars) ever heard him discuss the principles or even make reference to them? I have not, and I spend quite a bit of time on the mat with him. Moreover, he was clear on the fact that he did not know who formulated the aforementioned principles and that those who espouses them really do not know what they are talking about or doing for that matter. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Ian A. Cyrus, Headmaster International Chosondo Federation Choson Kwon Bup - Hapkido - Taekwondo 7252 Valley Ave Philadelphia, PA 19128 215-483-5057 www.chosondo.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Ray and his expanding family Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:15:20 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Congratulations Ray....cool stuff... Also I wish all my Hapkido brothers some good training up in Jackson at J.R. West's Hapkido shindig...maybe I'll get to come up again once they change the school year around and I don't have to take off work to make the trek....happy Hapkido training dudes..... Michael Tomlinson >From: "JR West" >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: >Subject: [The_Dojang] Ray and his expanding family >Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 05:58:55 -0600 > >Many congratulation to my old friends Mr. and Mrs. Ray Terry, who were >joined in matrimony yesterday on Valentines Day. All you ladies can go on >and on about how sweet it was for Ray to pick THAT day, but I feel pretty >sure that I heard him say, "you mean todays Valentines day?....cool!" >.....J. R. West in deepest, darkest Jackson MS......www.hapkido.com >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Frank Clay" To: Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:27:05 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Ranking Orgs Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net There is no one universally accepted legitimate certificate. To be quite frank (and I'm good at being Frank :) ), I am of the mind that American money needs to stay in America. We have numerous organizations here, each with good and bad points. The USCDKA is a for profit organization but has a traditional model, the USTW is a non-prof and supports traditional TKD while supporting sport reform (which is my preference), the AAU which supports all styles of TKD traditional and sport and so forth. To be honest, I see absolutely no need to be paying foreign organizations a lot of money for something that can be had here. The real thing is perceived ROI. I'm not sure what the AAU site is but the USCDKA is at www.uscdka.com and the USTW is at www.ustw.org. f. --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Help with Yu, Won, Wha Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:59:12 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ian, Now that you mention it I have never heard Doju Nim Ji ever talk about the three principles. I have heard him discuss philosopy pertaining to Hapkido and life in general but he has never specifically specified those three principles... Michael Tomlinson >From: Chosondo@aol.com >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [The_Dojang] Help with Yu, Won, Wha >Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:14:52 EST > >Greetings DDers, > >I need a little help with the origin and use of the supposed core >principles >of Hapkido; Yu, Won, Wha. I would like to know who originated the use of >these >principles. This might sound like a strange inquiry but it dawned on me >recently that I do not know who formulated these principles or how they >came to be >an integral part of the practice of Hapkido. > >I am in the process of writting an article for Taekwondo Times on the >"Technical and Conceptual Evolution of Hapkido" and I discussed this >extensively >with Doju Ji Han Jae. I was surprised to learn that these principles were >not >formulated by him. Further, he does not subcribed to these principles. Have >any >of you (who have attended his seminars) ever heard him discuss the >principles >or even make reference to them? I have not, and I spend quite a bit of time >on >the mat with him. Moreover, he was clear on the fact that he did not know >who >formulated the aforementioned principles and that those who espouses them >really do not know what they are talking about or doing for that matter. >Any help >will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. > >Ian A. Cyrus, Headmaster >International Chosondo Federation >Choson Kwon Bup - Hapkido - Taekwondo >7252 Valley Ave >Philadelphia, PA 19128 >215-483-5057 >www.chosondo.com >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "John Johnson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Help with Yu, Won, Wha Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:22:51 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Master Cyrus et al: This is a subject that has bothered me for some time. I spoke with Korea Hapkido Federation Planning Director Gimm June about this several months ago. He stated the Yu, Won, and Wha principles that so many western hapkido websites proclaim to be fundamentals of the art are actually not a part of hapkido. They are in reality aiki-jujutsu principles someone took from that art and stuck it on their website. From there it spread to the other western hapkido websites so much that it's impossible to tell where it came from. In many ways, it's almost a rumor turned into truth. "Almost" being the key word in that sentence. If you look at the Korean website you will notice none of them discuss these Yu, Won, or Wha. Of course, you'll have to trust me on this one unless you can read Hangul, but I've seen dozens of Korean hapkido sites and the Yu, Won, and Wha are nowhere to be found. I believe someone got on the web, decided they would sound official by taking aikijujutsu principles and applying them to hapkido. This to me, however, sounds like applying ITF side kick principles to a Shotokan kick. For hapkido authorities in English, just go and check out the Kido Hui or the former Korea Hapkido Federation's English sites. These three principles are missing. Also, check out Master JR West's website; he doesn't include them there either. Yet, many of the hapkido instructors without direct ties to Korean masters swear by them. (Please don't take that as an insult to anyone; I'm just stating a fact as I've seen it.) Although it can be argued that Yu, Won, and Wha are a part of hapkido, I don't believe they should be focused on while training. I believe is this is why Doju-nim doesn't subscribe much to them since he didn't incorporate them into the art. I have been numerous dojangs here in Korea, spoken to possibly hundreds of masters, and never once heard them discuss the principles of Yu, Won, or Wha. What is discussed, however, is the different applications of techniques and the various philosophies behind those applications. Each master has their own opinion, and it's truly amazing to watch them execute their individual principles on the mat. John A. Johnson Seoul, S. Korea e-Culture Team Korea Hapkido Federation     ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From:  Chosondo@aol.com Reply-To:  the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To:  the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject:  [The_Dojang] Help with Yu, Won, Wha Date:  Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:14:52 EST >Greetings DDers, > >I need a little help with the origin and use of the supposed core principles >of Hapkido; Yu, Won, Wha. I would like to know who originated the use of these >principles. This might sound like a strange inquiry but it dawned on me >recently that I do not know who formulated these principles or how they came to be >an integral part of the practice of Hapkido. > >I am in the process of writting an article for Taekwondo Times on the >"Technical  and Conceptual Evolution of Hapkido" and I discussed this extensively >with Doju Ji Han Jae. I was surprised to learn that these principles were not >formulated by him. Further, he does not subcribed to these principles. Have any >of you (who have attended his seminars) ever heard him discuss the principles >or even make reference to them? I have not, and I spend quite a bit of time on >the mat with him. Moreover, he was clear on the fact that he did not know who >formulated the aforementioned principles and that those who espouses them >really do not know what they are talking about or doing for that matter. Any help >will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. > >Ian A. Cyrus, Headmaster >International Chosondo Federation >Choson Kwon Bup - Hapkido - Taekwondo >7252 Valley Ave >Philadelphia, PA 19128 >215-483-5057 >www.chosondo.com >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest