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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,100 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. RE: Jackson Is Coming (Jason Thomas (Y!)) 2. Another attempt to sell a certificate - Hapkido Black Belt certificate signed, dead Grandmaster (#6606168278) (tkdtom) 3. Kuk Sool Practice Straight Swords... (Jason Thomas (Y!)) 4. When is "balance", balance? (Bruce Sims) 5. Arnis school (Dan Wills) 6. Re: Arnis school (Ray) 7. Master Dan white man Martial Arts (Dan Scholten) 8. Why study the culture of a Martial Art (Dan Scholten) 9. Re: Master Dan white man Martial Arts (Ray) 10. article...internet warrior (Jye nigma) 11. Re: Arnis school (Jye nigma) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Jason Thomas \(Y!\)" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Jackson Is Coming Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 09:22:08 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net It will be great fun to see everyone! See you there! Jason --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "tkdtom" To: Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 13:43:11 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Another attempt to sell a certificate - Hapkido Black Belt certificate signed, dead Grandmaster (#6606168278) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Charles Robinson sent you this eBay item: Hapkido Black Belt certificate signed, dead Grandmaster (#6606168278)(Thanks to an eagle eyed friend for spotting this again) Hapkido Black Belt certificate signed, dead Grandmaster Item number: 6606168278 Seller: rarely.found ( 24) Positive Feedback: 100% Member since Jul-26-05 in India Starting bid: US $0.99 (Reserve not met) Time left: 1 days 23 hours 5-day listing Ends Feb-21-06 08:35:18 PST Item location: Mumbai, MH India Ships to: United States, Canada, Europe Summary ;;; ; Hapkido Black Belt certificate signed by dead Grandmaster Mike Wollmershauser. ; Grandmaster ;Mike Wollmershauser was the head of the American Hapkido Association and 8th degree black belt under Dojunim Choi, Yong-Sool (Hapkido's founder) and Grandmaster Lim, Hyun-Soo. Grandmaster Mike Wollmershauser passed away on the 8th of December, 2002 from the cancer he was fighting for 5 years. Brief sketch of his life :;;; Michael J. Wollmershauser;;; ;Michael J. Wollmershauser1943 - 2002;FEEDING HILLS - Michael J. Wollmershauser of FeedingHills, MA passed away peacefully inDecember 8, 2002 after a long five-year battle withcancer. Mike was employed since 1992 for the HampdenCounty Sheriff's Department as a FitnessTrainer/Correctional Officer. Michael was known bymany as "Master Mike". He was an 8th degree black beltin Hapkido, a Korean Martial Art. He was the 3rdhighest ranked in the world in this system,( at that time) holdingthe esteemed honor of title of; Grandmaster. He was also knownas the "Master of Hand Techniques". He was presidentof the American Hapkido Association since 1981 to2002.He was the owner of the American Hapkido &World Olympic Taekwondo Center in Feeding Hills, MA.He previously owned the J. Parks Karate Studio inSpringfield and also taught at the YMCA inSpringfield, Janar Gymnastic in Wilbraham, MA, andFitness First in Feeding Hills, MA as aHapkido/Taekwondo/Tai Chi instructor. He was also anadjunct professor at Springfield College for 12 yearsand at Western New England College for six years untiljoining the Sheriff's Department in 1992. Prior tostudying and teaching martial arts, Mike was employedby McDonnell Douglas Aircraft in St. Louis, MO as anaircraft electrician, and worked on the Gemini SpaceProgram and on jet engines. Mike traveled extensivelyto Korea to train in Hapkido and also traveled to themartial art schools under his direction in the UnitedStates, Europe, Asia, Australia and many othercountries. He passed on his knowledge of Hapkido tothousands and at the time of his passing had promoted247 black belts in Hapkido and Taekwondo. ; ; This 1st degree Black Belt Hapkido Certificate is hand signed by the late Grandmaster Mike Wollmershauser, and not printed. ; The certificate has blank spaces for the name, age, nationality, and date of birth, which can be filled in. The size is 11 ½ ;inches length x 16 ½ ;inches width. ; I will sent a copy of another filled in certificate, to the winning bidder, so he will understand how the format on how to fill the certificate, for his information. ; This certificate is not meant for people who want to pretend to be martial artists. This is intended for preserving the original signature of the late Grandmaster Mike Wollmershauser, who is no more. ; This certificate is from the collection of a former Indian representative of The American Hapkido Association and needless to say is a very valuable item for martial arts collectors/ historians. ; Shipping: Indian Registered Air Mail Post 25; $. ; Federal Express (International Priority); 45 $.. (Tracking number will be provided) ; Countries shipped to: USA, Canada and Europe. ; PLEASE NOTE:While we find Indian Registered Air Mail Post to be very reliable, please be aware that if you choose to have your item sent by; Registered Air Mail, we cannot track your parcel, and therefore cannot be held responsible for any loss or damage in transit. I will however be happy to send the scan of the Indian Registered Air Mail Post receipt, as proof of dispatch. (If required). This takes 10 to 15 days to reach. ; ; ; My postal charges include Shipping & Handling and are not negotiable. ; ; All consignments are shipped from Mumbai, India ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; Powered by eBay Turbo Lister -------------------------------------------------------------------- Select a picture Protect yourself from Spoof (fake) emails. Learn More You are receiving this email because the sender thought you would be interested in this eBay item. You can report this message as unwanted (spam) email. Learn more about spam email. As outlined in our User Agreement, eBay will periodically send you information about site changes and enhancements. Visit our Privacy Policy and User Agreement if you have any questions. Copyright © 2005 eBay Inc. All Rights Reserved. Designated trademarks and brands are the property of their respective owners. eBay and the eBay logo are trademarks of eBay Inc. --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Jason Thomas \(Y!\)" To: Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:46:18 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Kuk Sool Practice Straight Swords... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Does anyone know where you can get practice aluminum straight swords that do not have a hand guard similar to the Kuk Sool ones? --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:27:15 -0800 (PST) From: Bruce Sims To: Ray Terry Subject: [The_Dojang] When is "balance", balance? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Folks: As though people don¡¯t have enough to worry about in our world I thought I would throw this out to anyone who feels like a brain-teaser. I am working on the concept of Balance for which I am using the general label ¡°Jung Shim¡± ( Áß ½É ). However, as we all know there are a lot of different kinds of balance. So here¡¯s my question. When you are in class, how much is there emphasis on the more physical qualities of Balance (kyon hyong -- °ß Çü ) . There is also the matter of keeping one¡¯s ¡°balance¡± in the more emotional sense (IE. ¡°keeping your cool¡±, ¡°don¡¯t lose your head¡±) which would relate TO the physical (pyong hyong -- Æò Çü ) . As I do my research, I notice that a lot of terminology lists just settle for ¡°Jung Shim¡±, equate it to ¡°balance¡± and leave it at that. However, anyone who has been in a fight knows that ¡°keeping your cool¡± plays a huge part. I¡¯m wondering if any people have any thoughts in breaking this out as separate qualities. Thoughts? Comments? Best Wishes, Bruce __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 5 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Dan Wills Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 09:50:52 +0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] Arnis school Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi, I am just inquiring to see if anyone knows of any Arnis schools in the Jersey City, New Jersey area ? Thanks for a very informative group of guys. I enjoy reading the topics. Thank you. Dan --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Arnis school To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:20:04 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I am just inquiring to see if anyone knows of any Arnis schools in the > Jersey City, New Jersey area ? Fyi, I also forwarded your question over to our sister list, the Eskrima Digest, to see what comes up. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:37:09 -0900 From: Dan Scholten To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Master Dan white man Martial Arts Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Evans. When I made the comment of no White man Martial Arts I was referring to the CONUS Continental United States. Also I was thinking in terms of unarmed combat or defensive weapons against offensive weapons such as in Okinawa. I meant no disrespect and I found your website very interesting but as I thought it was European for the most part and dealt mostly with offensive weapon's. When it comes to weapon's I like to practice and use what I can legally carry on the street. Carry a sword or some other implement that is to obvious and you wind up in jail or shot. I have told my students or young people that like to play at using and concealing Nunchuka that any weapon tested that can produce over 400 PSI to the human skull is considered a deadly weapon and If you conceal it you can wind up with a felony arrest record similar to a gun so you may as well shoot them!! My favorite weapon is the Hapkido fighting cane especially the custom made combat cane. You pick up a stick, club, or baseball bat and you are immediately harassed or arrested but nobody bothers a man with a cane. I would not care to parry with a man with a sword however the odds are that his sword will be at home and I will have my cane. I can also say that the damage done to one or multiple attackers can be deadly with the same strikes to any vital point but with some keen advantages for close in fighting. I have walked through major security checks with my cane and never been bothered. So far as I can tell all of my training and all of the GM's that teach or gained their knowledge of this particular weapon was Eastern in origin. Thanks for your comments Master Dan --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:50:24 -0900 From: Dan Scholten To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Why study the culture of a Martial Art Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Another reason for studying the culture of the Martial Art you are involved in is the very reason why you cannot learn MA from a book or manual. Books are two dimensional and they are only good for remembering what you have already learned from a master. Mr. Evans made the comment that he has only seen modern text books on eastern MA. Of course how are they to market and sell the product to us if not in a modern format. However in the process of translation things are lost. Many times movements will be explained from the end to the beginning. You must understand what the master is thinking when he writes his manual. How can you do that with out knowing him personally or his instructor? Also many books have typo's or even miss information and you will not get the real information with out a relationship. MA has always been handed down father to son, master to deciple or brother to brother, problem is to many people are unwilling to become a child or close family member?? --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Master Dan white man Martial Arts To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 19:21:02 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > When it comes to weapon's I like to practice and use what I can legally > carry on the street. Carry a sword or some other implement that is to > obvious and you wind up in jail or shot. I have told my students or young > people that like to play at using and concealing Nunchuka that any weapon > tested that can produce over 400 PSI to the human skull is considered a > deadly weapon and If you conceal it you can wind up with a felony arrest > record similar to a gun so you may as well shoot them!! Mere possession (even in your own home!!) of a nunchuka in my state (CA PC section 12020) "is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year or in the state prison". Not too likely to be enforced, but there it is... > My favorite weapon is the Hapkido fighting cane especially the custom made > combat cane. ... Better, from a legal point of view, to use a non-custom cane. Those purpose made for 'combat' will be far more likely result in legal issues later on than will a simple old stock cane that you can get for $15 at most any Feed and Grain store. Plus you save a bunch of money and they are just as useful for -any- purpose you might have in mind. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 19:18:42 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net, MartialArtsTalk@yahoogroups.com, martialstudies@yahoogroups.com Subject: [The_Dojang] article...internet warrior Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net This is a funny article, check it out: INTERNET WARRIOR Martial artists today have the Internet as a tool to explore and exchange ideas with practitioners within the global martial arts community. The information available on the world wide web is staggering and available 24 hours a day. Not all of the information contained on websites or databases is correct and it is easy for a beginning student or, "new jack" to the martial arts game to get mislead by false or improperly presented or stolen teachings. The most popular places to search for and exchange information online nowadays is within Message Boards or Forums. These forums are sites online where people can post questions, answers, stories, links and the like to further the collective of martial arts. Each forum has its own characteristics and topics, as well as format for information dissemination. This essay is a breakdown of the types people you will find within such message boards, with a description of their traits and advice on how to deal with them. The Martial Arts enthusiast is a person whom has seen martial arts movies, read books and articles, who generally is excited about martial arts who has gone to a few seminars or basic classes. This person can be of great resource as they know the scene, and can guide you to information databases where you can research on your own. They will answer questions as best they can, and will do a bit of research and send you hyperlinks or references to continue your quest for knowledge. Many times these people are diluted in ways because they only have book and movie "smarts". They have experience researching historical data and watching media with martial arts related topics, this forms their idea of what the arts are all about. They have no real application experience or teaching authority, however they are like best friends at times, able to pull out info quickly. Beginners almost all of the time are looking for teachers, background info on particular styles, general inquiry regarding martial arts history, styles, training, etc. If you know your stuff, help them out because we all had our beginners shoes on at one time, but be aware that they might try to cling onto you for more info than you have, or they may be searching for a penpal. Learned students further the collective universal intelligence of information available by giving experiential data relating to questions asked. This input can be greatly beneficial to new or beginning students, but must be taken with a grain of salt. A lot of times these sources of info can be jaded a bit to their particular style or arrogant because of some documented or perceived achievement…nevertheless, these are the BEST sources of information, due to the EXPERIENCE of learning and training. Simply put, these persons are in the trenches, have been around the block and know the real from the unreal. Sifu that are currently teaching are another type of online forum visitor. They are many times looking for students or are creating hype for their own interests. Good Sifu tend to realize very early on that the forums are for the more junior students of the arts, and that their time can be spent better elsewhere, like actually practicing what everyone else is typing and speculating about. Usually personal e-mail when written courteously and consciously, is best for communicating effectively with real deal Sifu. The personal approach is best, as the Sifu can gauge the inquirer's true intent, answer appropriately and be somewhat comfortable that such communications will not be made public on a forum message board. Bad "Sifu" are the antithesis. These charlatans peruse the net to pass time as they wait for checks to roll in the door, talk a lot of talk but never walk the walk. These "Sifu" are easily distinguished by larger bodies than the more fit currently training Sifus. One other characteristic is a foul attitude and a holier than through mindset. Many times we find that massive intake of Babylonian foods and lack of training tend to create these "Sifus". Also these types tend to be bitter as they feel they have an incomplete system or seniors that question their ability to teach at all. Try to avoid these types at all costs or it may cost you $$$. Then you have the Trolls (Internet devil) that takes you on a rollercoaster of emotions, simply by picking out the essence of your transmissions and then challenging and insulting you directly. Trolls come from all age groups and they are easy to spot. They are personal cipher disrupters, leeches of energy good and bad. Trolls are all no good in any way. Even though they might be able to engage the reader for a time, the nastiness oozes out eventually. Most forum moderators now look out for this type of person. Trolls are the worst, as they are all bad, along with them you also have loudmouth Internet warriors, that actually go to class, and train or even teach authentic traditional or more modern arts. These loudmouths can be of some help as they know the scene and have real lineage. However the characteristic personality flaw with loudmouths is that they lose perception of reality when online. They feel a false sense of security justified to them by the fact they cannot see the person they are talking online to and their experience has led them to be dogmatic, sour or just plain ignorant. These types talk a lot of talk and never seem to walk the walk. It has been a trend for specific instructors to get into Internet battles but then, when approached, they literally run away, or hide behind lineage or their own students! Consider this…would you want to learn a FIGHTING art from a person that talks big and NEVER backs their stuff up? Combat in general is not a good idea, however if you claim high skill level and then are nasty & challenging to people, you can expect to be approached. Many of these Internet warriors lack a basic concept of self due to insufficient introspection and meditation upon ones self. This tends to resonate throughout the net negatively once such a person is put into a position where they feel the necessity to defend their system or own set of dogmatic beliefs. There is a trend in the Internet realm whereby feuds and large "beefs" develop. Sifus and students incessantly bickering over lineage and history or which move comes after which, etc. These arguments continue for weeks at a time and the end result is after a fortnight of bickering - no solution occurs and Schools and Sifus end up looking foolish and unprofessional with regard to their own training. Hence losing potential students and further bringing a veil of shame upon them and their lineage. Their are a handful of persons on the net that classify as knowledgeable and free flowing with information. I would limit this to 5% or less. These friends know their stuff and are more than happy to send you information and application ad-nauseum. These gems are what keep the net from collapsing altogether due to the high amount of Internet warriors. Usually they put their personal e-mail address as a signature to all posts, as they value what they write and demand feedback from persons capable of advancing knowledge. Find these helpful guides, learn from them and give back to the global net community once you gain something of substance and are able to articulate such information. In close, enjoy searching and learning about martial arts on the Internet, be alert and research all answers thoroughly to ensure that you have factual information and that you are able to make choices appropriately and personally further the knowledge of the arts globally. Always keep the Tao real Copyright by © 2004 Brothers of Wudang --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 19:38:41 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Arnis school To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net yes...try this site: http://www.doceparesusa.com/ Jye Dan Wills wrote: Hi, I am just inquiring to see if anyone knows of any Arnis schools in the Jersey City, New Jersey area ? Thanks for a very informative group of guys. I enjoy reading the topics. Thank you. Dan _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? 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