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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,100 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. RE: TKD in the RVN (michael tomlinson) 2. RE: RE: Circular motion (michael tomlinson) 3. brief mention of Angela Mao-Ying's film about Gm Ji, "Hapkido" (Ray Terry) 4. Re: thought question (Jye nigma) 5. Re: TKD in the RVN (Jye nigma) 6. Re: thought question (Ray) 7. RE: Hwa Rang Code compared to Bushido (Erik Brann) 8. This is not an American, Englishman, Australian, or any other person who's native language is English. (sshapkido@aol.com) 9. Re: TKD in the RVN (Ray) 10. WTF Poomsae Seminar and Course in Stuttgart, Germany (Ray Terry) 11. RE: brief mention of Angela Mao-Ying's film about Gm Ji, "Hapkido" (michael tomlinson) 12. Great speech by GM West (Hapkidoman5@wmconnect.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] TKD in the RVN Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 22:27:11 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net too legit, too legit to quit...hey hey....ok sorry I just had an MC Hammer moment....agreed.... Michael Tomlinson >From: "Thomas Gordon" >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] TKD in the RVN >Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 15:00:21 -0600 (CST) > >Some interesting history Grandmaster West. I'd like to hear/read more. >Always good to get it from someone who is legit. > >Thomas Gordon >Florida >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] RE: Circular motion Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 22:32:07 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Craig I agree...a lot of people don't see it that way but the two arts really do go hand in hand...one basically picks up where the other one leaves off and visa versa.... also I have never trained with anyone named nono...but I did date a girl once who I could of sworn had a name of yesyes......I kind of miss her sometimes???? Michael Tomlinson >From: "Stovall, Craig" >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: >Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Circular motion >Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 13:39:43 -0600 > ><<it true Royce Gracie is doing HKD training?>>> > > > >IMHO, I don't think he does. I think this idea comes from the fact that >he has long trained with a guy named Nono who's out of Hermosa Beach, >CA. Evidently, he's a Hapkido guy, and has coached Royce with his stand >up fighting (kickboxing). He's also cornered Royce in more than a few >of his fights. I know that Royce has said in an interview that Nono >also works with him on "stickfighting". If you get that 'Superfit' book >I think there's some pictures of Nono in there. > > > >Now, having said all of that I think Royce has probably picked up some >small joint manipulation stuff from the guy. Reason I say that is >because Royce finished Akebono off with a real slick omoplata/wrist lock >combination. Of course, there are wrist locks in BJJ but I can't help >but think he picked up some influence from Nono in that regard. > > > >That's my long way of saying that he trains with a Hapkido guy on >certain aspects of martial arts, but I don't think he pursues Hapkido >study in any real sense. I could be wrong. > > > >Now, the purists will poo-poo on me for saying this, but I honestly >think the two arts can complement each other quite well. >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 15:07:16 -0800 From: "Ray Terry" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] brief mention of Angela Mao-Ying's film about Gm Ji, "Hapkido" Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Old punches, new kicks By MICHAEL CHEANG Jet Li recently announced that Fearless would be his last wushu flick. With other action stars like Jackie Chan not getting any younger, who will be the next generation of kung fu stars? StarTwo sizes up the past and looks into the future of the martial arts genre. BRUCE Lee. Jackie Chan. Jet Li. Sammo Hung. The names of these legendary butt-kickers reverberate through the annals of Asian film history, leaving scores of on-screen enemies in their wake. However, the proud history of kung fu actors like them is in danger of fading out. Lee is dead, Chan is not getting any younger, Hung has semi-retired and Jet Li has recently made known that Fearless would be his last period martial arts (also known as wushu) flick. The situation gives rise to the question: Who will deliver the kung fu kicks in the days to come? Although recent martial arts films such as Hero, Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon and House of Flying Daggers were reasonably impressive, what genuine fighting in them was largely glossed over by fancy choreography, excessive wirework and artsy cinematography. Take away the pretty colours and the "invisible" wires and all you get are actors pretending to be kung fu masters. The fact remains that what makes a martial arts film great is usually whether the actors are actually good at fighting. Although the growing influence of Hong Kong fight choreographers like Yuen Wo Ping have vastly improved the fight scenes in Hollywood films, nothing compares to the raw power and skill displayed by exponents of martial arts like Li and Chan. After all, Yuen's excellent choreography could not save Keanu Reeves from looking like a robotic Mat Salleh trying to fight like an Asian in The Matrix series. With the waning physical prowess of stars like Chan and Hung who are in their early 50s, as well as the increasingly low-profiled development of younger ones like Vincent Zhao Wen-Zhou and Donnie Yen, there is now a dearth of actors with real martial arts skills in the Asian film industry. In fact, the brightest hope in Asian martial arts movies now isn't Chinese anymore. Muay Thai (Thai boxing) exponent-cum-actor Tony Jaa has been a revelation with his astoundingly brutal fighting skills and jaw-dropping stunts in movies Ong Bak: The Muay Thai Warrior and last year's Tom Yum Goong. Recently, Stephen Chow's Kungfu Hustle and Fearless have rekindled interest in the genre. Kungfu Hustle was also responsible for the re-emergence of veteran kung fu actors like Yuen Wah, Yuen Qiu and Leong Siu Long. It may be a welcome boost, but it does not hide the fact that there is a lack of new kung fu talents coming through the ranks. The movie industry is in dire need of kung fu actors who can carry a movie and kick butt at the same time. StarTwo pays tribute to some of Asian cinema's greatest kung fu fighters and takes a look at some of the present high-kickers and future fast-punchers. The Legendary Dragons The 1970s and 80s saw the rise of the "Dragons" – Bruce Lee, Jackie Chan and Bruce Leung Siu Long. They were dubbed the Dragons mostly because of the word "Loong" (meaning dragon) in their Chinese names. They were the biggest kung fu stars of their time, with Lee and Chan going on to change the face of Hong Kong cinema. Bruce Lee (The Big Boss, Enter the Dragon, Fist of Fury), 1940 – 1973: Lee (Chinese name Lee Xiao Loong) is more than just an actor. He is a legend and the man whom every other martial arts actor is compared to. Through films like Fist of Fury, Enter the Dragon and The Big Boss, Lee used his much- parodied and imitated Jeet Kune Do trademark fighting style as well as his charismatic on-screen presence to single-handedly help change the image of Asian actors in the eyes of the West. He may have died tragically at 32, but Lee's legacy as one of the most influential figures in modern film history lives on. Jackie Chan (Police Story, Drunken Master, Armour of God), 52: Chan (Chinese name Chen Loong) is one of the most successful actors in Hong Kong's movie history. Most noted for his addictive brand of kung fu comedy as well as his daredevil stunts (most of which he executes himself), his breakthrough role was in 1978's Drunken Master in which he played Wong Fei Hong (a role which he would reprise in the sequel in 1994). He would go on to become one of the most recognisable faces and most popular artistes ever in Asia. Bruce Leung Siu Long (Kungfu Hustle, Broken Oath), 58: The third and lesser-known "Dragon", Leung made his debut in 1975's Little Superman, and went on to make more than 70 movies within a span of 20 years. However, a political controversy led to his films being banned by Taiwan (an important market for Hong Kong films then), and Leung was forced to retire from the entertainment industry. Leung made a comeback at Stephen Chow's request to play a villain, The Beast, in Kung Fu Hustle. It was the veteran action star-action choreographer's first movie since the 1980s. The Pensioned Tigers The 60s and 70s were great decades for kung fu movies, especially with the release of Shaw Brothers classics like The 36th Chamber of Shaolin, which introduced other martial arts experts like Gordon Lau Kar-Fei, and two of the most celebrated female kung fu stars ever – Angela Mao and Chang Pei Pei. Gordon Lau Kar-Fei (The 36th Chamber of Shaolin, Tiger on the Beat, Kill Bill: Volume 2), 51: Lau made his name playing a Shaolin monk in The 36th Chamber of Shaolin, and went on to star in other blockbusters such as Tiger on the Beat, Peacock King and Last Hero in China alongside big names such as Chow Yun-Fat, Sammo Hung and Jet Li. Lau later made his Hollywood debut in Quentin Tarantino's 2004 film, Kill Bill: Volume 2. Angela Mao-Ying (Broken Oath, When Taekwondo Strikes, Enter the Dragon), 52: One of the world's first female kung fu stars, Mao was also one of the most prolific stars in the 70s before her retirement in 1982. A black belt in the Korean martial arts film Hapkido, she starred in movies like When Taekwondo Strikes and Broken Oath, and is best known in the West for her cameo role as Bruce Lee's sister in Enter the Dragon. Cheng Pei Pei (Come Drink with Me, Bride with White Hair, Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon), 60: Cheng is widely-known as the "Queen of Martial Arts" despite not coming from a martial arts background. Her background in dance helped her make a smooth transition into the martial arts genre, which included the groundbreaking 1965 film Come Drink with Me, Bride with White Hair and the Ang Lee Oscar-winning film, Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon in 2001. The Little Fortunes In the 70s, a famous Peking Opera School performing group called the Seven Little Fortunes was formed. Comprising seven child martial arts prodigies, they travelled around the world performing in martial arts and acrobatic stage shows. Several members of the original line-up have since gone on to become some of the biggest names in Asian cinema, including Jackie Chan, Sammo Hung, Yuen Wah, Yuen Qiu and Yuen Biao. Sammo Hung (Project A, Martial Law), 53: Don't let his chubby physique fool you, this guy can really fight and is surprisingly agile for a man his size. Though he started out as an action choreographer, his foray into acting have also made for some hugely entertaining movies, including 1980's Close Encounters of the Spooky Kind, the film that pioneered the "hopping vampire" movies. Hung also made a foray into America with the short-lived TV series Martial Law (which turned out to be decidedly more memorable for Kelly Hu's booty than for Hung's tummy). Yuen Biao (Project A, The Peacock King), 49: The mischievous-looking Yuen Biao was a body double for Bruce Lee in Game of Death, and has managed to hold his own against his fellow Fortunes alumni with action-packed movies in which he usually played naive kung fu-fighting heroes. The consistently hard-working actor is most noted for movies like the manga-based Peacock King and Project A. He recently ventured into television, starring in the TVB series, Real Kung Fu. Yuen Wah (Kungfu Hustle, Eastern Condors), 56: This veteran of over 100 movies was Bruce Lee's stunt double in the early 70s, and even had a small role fighting Lee in Enter the Dragon. He was known as the "Magnificent Villain" because of his evil-looking trademark moustache. He was also one of the veteran kung fu actors whom Stephen Chow sought out to appear in the martial arts tribute comedy Kungfu Hustle. Yuen Qiu (Kungfu Hustle, Not Scared to Die), 56: She started her martial arts training at the age of 10 and became one of few stuntwomen in the Hong Kong film industry when she was 17. Yuen Qiu's first feature film role was in the 1973 Jackie Chan movie Not Scared to Die, and she even had a minor role in the James Bond film, The Man with the Golden Gun. In 1975, she married and retired from show business, only to make her comeback 28 years later in Kung Fu Hustle. The Middle-Aged Fists In the 90s, a certain martial arts expert named Jet Li burst onto the scene with the hugely ground-breaking Once Upon a Time in China franchise, sparking a new generation of martial arts actors following in his footsteps such as Vincent Zhao Wen-Zhou and Donnie Yen. Zhao and Yen made good on their own and now they are still rated among the best fighters in the movie scene. Jet Li (Fearless, Once Upon a Time in China I, II and III, Fong Sai Yuk, Hero), 43: Li began his martial arts career as a member of the Beijing Wushu team and won 15 gold medals and one silver medal in Chinese wushu championships. He later became one of the most sought after martial arts actors in Asia, with his most popular roles being that of Chinese kung fu legend Wong Fei Hong in the Once Upon a Time in China movies. He later ventured into Hollywood, playing a villain in Lethal Weapon 4, and landing his first lead role in Romeo Must Die. Li recently announced that he is retiring from wushu movies after making Fearless (but not modern action or martial arts films) to concentrate on other projects. Vincent Zhao Wen-Zhou (Once Upon a Time in China IV V, 4-5, Fong Sai Yuk), 33: Like Li, Zhao was a wushu champion who started training when he was eight years old. He made his acting debut in 1993 with Green Snake, after which he faced off with Jet Li in Fong Sai Yuk. Zhao would go on to take over Li's Wong Fei Hong role in the third and fourth sequels of the Once Upon a Time in China franchise. He made a foray into TV series with Fist Power in 2000, and also appeared in the TV adaptation of the popular Hong Kong comic The Storm Riders later. Donnie Yen (Once Upon a Time in China, Iron Monkey, Hero), 43: Yen made his debut in 1984, but only managed to hit the big time with his breakthrough role in Once Upon a Time in China, in which he took on Jet Li's Wong Fei Hong in one of the most memorable screen fights of that era. The two would later face-off once again in the opening battle in Zhang Yimou's Hero. Yen also made a brief foray into Hollywood with a villain role in Jackie Chan's Shanghai Knights and is also currently involved in action choreography and directing work in both America and Hong Kong. There may not be many prominent new martial arts actors appearing in Chinese movies lately, but all is not lost for the kung fu genre, as promising fighters like Tony Jaa from Thailand are introducing a whole new generation of movie-goers to the wonders of Asian martial arts with his own unique style. Tony Jaa (Tom Yum Goong, Ong Bak), 30: Widely tipped to be "the next action hero", Thai action star Tony Jaa (real name Phanom Yeerum) stormed the world with his enigmatic brand of martial arts and daredevil stunts in Ong Bak: The Muay Thai Warrior, in which he did all the fighting and stunts without any doubles, wires or computer effect. Skilled in martial arts like Muay Thai, Aikido, Capoeira and Taekwondo, among others, Jaa's second movie was Tom Yum Goong, in which his character has to travel to Australia to save his kidnapped elephant. Xing Yu (Kungfu Hustle, Black Swordsman): A Shaolin Temple disciple, Xing played Coolie in Kungfu Hustle, which showcased his powerful kicking skills. He entered the Shaolin Temple at the age of 10 and received training for 10 years, and currently manages the Shaolin Temple branch in Shenzhen, China. He first entered the film industry in the early 1990s with films like Black Swordsman and God of Gamblers. For decades, Hollywood has been trying to emulate the dynamic moves of Asian kung fu movies, with Western actors like "the Bill in Kill Bill" (David "Kung Fu Caine" Carradine, who wasn't actually trained in martial arts), Chuck Norris and Steven Seagal showcasing their kung fu skills to the max. However, many of these films have failed to even come close to the dynamism of Asian kung fu films, many ending up as B-Grade action flicks. Here are a few Western actors who may have held their own against the Asian names. Chuck Norris (Way of the Dragon, Missing in Action), 66: This veteran former karate champion-cum-actor holds the distinction of having fought the legendary Bruce Lee mano-a-mano in Way of the Dragon. Best known for 80s action franchise Missing in Action, Norris reportedly declined the role of the villain sensei in The Karate Kid because he did not want to cast a bad light on martial arts. Steven Seagal (Under Siege, Exit Wounds), 55: A karate and Aikido expert, the pony-tailed devout Buddhist is one of few American action stars who could actually fight reasonably well. However, largely due to a lack of variety in his characters, Seagal's films rarely ventured out of the usual B-grade action thriller territory, with his most prominent films being 1992's Under Siege and Exit Wounds in 2001. Jean Claude Van Damme (Universal Soldier, Timecop), 46: Known as "The Muscles from Brussels", Van Damme is a black belt in karate and like Seagal, is an action film star whose films always seem like it's the same movie replayed. Nevertheless, with reasonably well-grossing movies like Universal Soldier and Timecop under his belt, it could be said that Van Damme has had a slightly better career than Seagal. --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 15:08:58 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] thought question To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Well, where are the old school military guys that used tkd in combat scenarios and lived to tell about it? I wonder if any of them are teaching? jye instructor@realtaekwondo.com wrote: The main difference with training of the past and now was the big kids boom of the early eighties. Instructors started to make curriculum and classes easier to adapt to all the kids training now. Those kids/teenagers grew up becoming instructors teaching the same way they were taught. So, they just learn blocks, forms and kicks for testing without having any knowledge on how, why and when these techniques should be used. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 15:23:42 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] TKD in the RVN To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I found the reflection of jr west's past quite interesting. I had found, (don't know if i shared it here) an article about a special forces group of korean soldiers and how they were extremely feared in vietname i believe. I don't know if the account was true, but it went something like this.... all the guys learned TKD and in the service tkd was also using whatever was available to beat the opposition. For instance, the koreans had run out of ammo and when the fighting when to close quaters, on guy used a rock or something to smash in the enemies head...lol. then the article went on to talk about how the korean special forces only had like 12 guys go into a village and the enemy who outnumbered them fled...i'll have to locate the article so you all can see what was written without me slaughtering the author's accounts..lol. how about weaponry and the military tkd? jye --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] thought question To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 15:44:07 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Well, where are the old school military guys that used tkd in combat > scenarios and lived to tell about it? I wonder if any of them are teaching? The TKD they used in real combat was mostly M16-do, M18 Claymore Mine-do, other real-world military weapons-do and a knife/dagger of choice. And regular practice of their hyungs helped them move like the night. Or so I understand... Ray "moves like a thunder storm" Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Erik Brann" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Hwa Rang Code compared to Bushido Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 18:49:48 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Thank you! I appreciate the info. If you'd be so kind, send me the images, I'll Photoshop them and send them back as gifs or jpegs. I'll also put them up on http://koreanschoolskarate.tripod.com I apologize for the ads, but it's a free site. -----Original Message----- From: Samurai Latino [mailto:samurai_latino@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 4:08 PM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Hwa Rang Code compared to Bushido If you don't mind, I would like to receive a copy of that file. I study Tang Soo Do and we use these codes along with the 7 tenets. Sincerely, Rafael Amill Choson Martial Arts Sierra Vista, AZ 85635 www.geocities.com/samurai_latino/Choson_Main_Page.html Joseph Cheavens wrote: The Hwarrang had a code of five principles: Loyalty (to country), Filial Piety (respect for one's elders), Friendship (amongst equals), Compassion (for those below you), and Righteousness (in action). The Ji Do Kwan dojang where I first studied had these in engraved in Chinese characters on a large wooden signboard at the head of the class that we learned as our code of conduct. I made a similar signboard for the dojang where I trained in Hawai'i. If you like, I can send you an attachment with a version I just did in Paint. I can't draw very well with a mouse, so its pretty sloppy. Joe Cheavens __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 19:08:14 -0500 From: sshapkido@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] This is not an American, Englishman, Australian, or any other person who's native language is English. Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Just wanted to point out that the wording in the email below is not from someone whose native language is English. Most likely they are Middle Eastern or African. Someone whose native language is English would say something like..."I have a fourteen year old kid that is coming over to the USA (or US)........yada yada....The arrangements have already been made for his accomodations.....yada yada....by my business associate in the USA..... Then....Please get back to me for ...yada yada...the cost of four months of lessons.. yada yada ...and other needed equipment.... " The order of the words, the lack of use of the word 'the,' along with adding an 's' on words that don't need it and leaving it off of words that do need it are what gives him away. This is not a person named Christopher Williams with a son named Kelvin unless they are from South Africa perhaps. ""Hello Master, I am Mr Christopher Williams. I have a kid of 14 years that is coming over to USA shortly and I want him to use that oppotunity to learn Martial Art in your Dojang. I discovered you from a very reliable martial Art Directory. He will be in the state for 4 months and I want him to learn for the whole 4 months. There is arrangement already for his accommodation. the boy is a beginner and his name is Kelvin. The payment will be made to you by my business associate in USA and It will be inform of money order or a cashier check. Now, kindly get back to me with the cost for the 4 months lesson and the cost for the badgi and sadgi and the other needed equipments. I will also like to have the complete contact details for the sake of the payment. Chris."" --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] TKD in the RVN To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 16:08:25 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I found the reflection of jr west's past quite interesting. I had found, > (don't know if i shared it here) an article about a special forces group > of korean soldiers and how they were extremely feared in vietname i believe. > I don't know if the account was true, but it went something like this.... I believe Tiger Division had the highest kill ratio in Vietnam. Captured NVA documents advised to never engage this group unless they were 100% confident of victory. > all the guys learned TKD and in the service tkd was also using whatever > was available to beat the opposition. For instance, the koreans had run out > of ammo and when the fighting when to close quaters, on guy used a rock > or something to smash in the enemies head...lol. lol ?? Isn't that pretty much what anyone with half a brain would do to stay alive and, umm, remove the threat? Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 18:47:59 -0800 From: "Ray Terry" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] WTF Poomsae Seminar and Course in Stuttgart, Germany Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Poomsae Seminar and Course in Stuttgart, Germany 03 Mar 2006 To: Presidents, Member National Associations in European region Re: The 1 st International Poomsae Referee Refresher Course The 5 th International Poomsae Referee Seminar The 1 st International Poomsae Seminar for Coach This is to notify you that WTF has decided to hold the following Poomsae Seminar and Course in Stuttgart, Germany on March 15-19, 2006. The details of the Poomsae Seminar and course are as follows: 1. Dates March 15-18, 2006 • The 1 st International Poomsae Referee Refresher Course • The 5 th International Poomsae Referee Seminar March 18-19, 2006 • The 1 st International Poomsae Seminar for Coach 2. Inscription information At the lobby of Etap Hotel from 15:00 on March 14, 2006 • The 1 st International Poomsae Referee Refresher Course • The 5 th International Poomsae Referee Seminar * 120 places are limited for the aforesaid seminars. At the Theaterhaus Stuttgart from 15:00 on March 17, 2006 • The 1 st International Poomsae Seminar for Coach 3. Place: Theaterhaus Stuttgart Siemensstr.11 70469 Stuttgart, Germany 4. Qualifications for participants: (application of participant in European region should be accepted only) 1) The 5 th International Poomsae Referee Seminar • Holder of Kukkiwon 4 th Dan or higher • Recommendation by president of member national association of WTF in European region only 2) The 1 st International Poomsae Referee Refresher Course • Holder of International Poomsae Referee Certificate in European region only 3) The 1 st International Poomsae Seminar for Coach • Recommendation by president of member national association of WTF in European region • Maximum number of application in each country in European region: four or less 5. Attendance fee 1) The 1 st International Poomsae Referee Refresher course: Exemption 2) The 1 st International Poomsae Seminar for coach: USD100 3) The 5 th International Poomsae Referee Seminar: USD300 • Attendance fee is to be paid at the time of registration on the first day of the seminar 6. Hotel Reservation • Address: Etap Hotel Stuttgart City Siemensstr. 28 70469 Stuttgart • Tel: 43 700 88200720 • Price: Single room weekdays / weekend 43Euro (price of one person) Double room weekdays 51 Euro (price of one person) Double room weekend 43 Euro (price of one person) • Breakfast: 5 Euro per person 7. Things to prepare • Writing utensils, Taekwondo uniform and sports shoes 8. Application Completed application form and the copy of Kukkiwon dan certificate should be sent to WTF by email or fax no later than 13 th on March 2006 Email: sport4wtf@unitel.co.kr Fax: 82 2 553 4728 9. Catering information Meal price of the restaurants near the stadium is expensive that normal price. Other restaurants are located far from the stadium. To order lunch box, please refer to following information: • Price: Lunch box service: Five days: 75 Euro person One days: 15 Euro perso •Contact person: Mr. Park Soo Nam Tel: 49 711 607 1696 Mobile Phone: 49 172 940 1840 Sincerely yours, Dong Hoo Moon Secretary General WTF --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] brief mention of Angela Mao-Ying's film about Gm Ji, "Hapkido" Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 04:16:03 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net One of my favorite memories is studying at Master Rick Nabors Dojang with Doju Nim Ji for eight hours...then going to Master Nabors house and eating a feast of a meal with Rick, Doju Nim Ji, and a few others...and then chilling out in the living room and watching Lady Kung Fu...or as it was called on the video.."Hapkido" starring Angela Mao, Samo Hung, and Ji Han Jae...as we watched the video Doju Nim Ji talked about the different things that happened while filming and told us all about the martial artists in the film.....man was that cool...watching that movie while Doju Nim sat in the floor with us in his pajamas and basically broke down the movie for us....way to friggin cool and I'll never forget that one...truly a priceless day... Michael Tomlinson --__--__-- Message: 12 From: Hapkidoman5@wmconnect.com Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 23:24:07 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Great speech by GM West Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Does anyone have the inspiring speech that G M west gave at the closing ceremony in jackson this year;Is there any way to get a copy I would love to read it or play it for my students that didnt get to come this year. Kurtis Carter --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest