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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,100 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Nervous About A Tournament (Amcreva Drogovah) 2. website: (Jye nigma) 3. old guy fight (Jye nigma) 4. Fresh Meat (Luther Veuleman) 5. RE: Self Defense at 58 (Stovall, Craig) 6. RE: First Day Students (Joseph Cheavens) 7. RE: Nervous About A Tournament (Rick Clark) 8. RE: Self Defense at 58 (Joseph Cheavens) 9. Re: Nervous About A Tournament (sales@aboveandbeyondlearning.com) 10. UFC (Stovall, Craig) 11. First Day Students (Stovall, Craig) 12. Self Defense at 58 (Gordon) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Amcreva Drogovah" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 07:56:50 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Nervous About A Tournament Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hey Everyone! As some of you may know the province wide tournament for PEI is coming up this Saturday. Now, We have Sparring, Board breaking, Nanchaku/Bo Staff/Sword, Forms and Kickoff. Now this is to the new WTF rules and this is TKD we are talking about. I've been training for about a year and am a Yellow belt. This will be my first tournament. (I was injured for the one I was supposed to do for my belt rank.) How can I get over the extreme nervousness that I feel everytime I think about the weekend? This has been almost consuming for this week. I know my Form, I know what I am doing for Nanchakus and I love sparring and am fairly good at it for my rank.  Is there some sort of exercise like breathing or meditation to try to get over being nervous? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Free yourself from those irritating pop-up ads with MSN Premium. Join now and get the first two months FREE* --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 04:53:24 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma To: MartialArtsTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: [The_Dojang] website: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net goto the site and check out the forms....all I can say is NO COMMENT! lol http://www.sevenmountainskungfu.com/htmls/aboutphan.html Jye --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 04:59:18 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma To: MartialArtsTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: [The_Dojang] old guy fight Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIRCmCQJnnY&search=street%20fight --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 05:05:35 -0800 (PST) From: Luther Veuleman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Fresh Meat Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Richard Tomlinson wrote: > So a first day student, starting, in class, ok... kids, adults, 20 ish, 30 > ish, 50 ish... what do you do? sandy Usually I try to break it up by segments, like 1st class Front Stance, Low Block, Punch, Front Kick 2nd class Horse Stance, outside middle block, backhand, side kick 3rd class Back Stance, upper block, palm heel, roundhouse 4th class fighting stance, inside middle block, knife hand, back kick 5th class levitation, mind parry, flaming ball of ki, bicycle kick (8 ft minimum) Okay, just kidding. I only make them go 6 ft. In a class of mixed ranks, I NEVER mind giving a command/combination for an advanced technique, and telling lower ranks another movement. Such as: "Full Roundhouse, backhand, reverse punch, front arm ridgehand, back on the command....Back Row, Front Roundhouse, backhand, reverse punch, lunge punch" It just means I talk/teach more, but thats what I'm paid for right? Well...not paid well though :) Charlie Veuleman --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 08:12:03 -0600 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Self Defense at 58 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<>> It depends. Mostly on whether or not you get distracted by the "next thing" that comes across your radar screen. I'm all for cross-training. However, I don't think it should happen until you have significant experience in the martial arts, as well as a deep understanding of the physical principles that form the foundation of most martial arts. <<>> Again, it depends. Do they spend a lot of time jacking around with swords and those claw things that double as weapons and climbing implements? If so, then you're wasting your time for self-defense because you're not going to have that stuff when the next thugs jump you. Now, if they spend a lot of time on taijutsu applications for urban combat, and the theory and tactics of improvised weapons (as well as personal protective devices) then that's probably a good program for you. By the way, what were the circumstances around your assault? Was this a mugging or some sort of random act of violence? What did YOU contribute toward the creation of this event, and how could it have been avoided? How can it be prevented in the future? That may be the more valuable lesson right there as opposed to all of this concern over "Killa Kombat" programs. --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Joseph Cheavens" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] First Day Students Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 08:15:28 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Before class starts, I teach them the basic commands for "attention", "bow", "ready" and the stances and actions that go along with them. Then I let them line up with everyone else and just make sure I explain every motion of our warm up exercizes. Goals for the first day are: learn how to bow in and out of class, basic familiarization with warm up/warm down exericizes and stretching, introduction to horse stance and fighting stance, introduction to front punch and front kick. IMHO, Thats about all that a beginner can handle the first day.  Joe Cheavens -------------------------------------------------------------------- From:  "Richard Tomlinson" Reply-To:  the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To:   Subject:  [The_Dojang] First Day Students Date:  Mon, 6 Mar 2006 20:00:39 -0500 >So a first day student, starting, in class, ok... kids, adults, 20 ish, 30 >ish, 50 ish... what do you do? sandy >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 10:25:06 -0500 From: "Rick Clark" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Nervous About A Tournament To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Amcreva, I think one of the best things you could do is stop a moment and ask yourself why you are nervous. Are you afraid of failure, success, not doing well, making a fool of yourself, hurting someone, winning, not winning, forgetting what you are doing, getting hurt, lots of things to worry about? Once you have an idea of why you are nervous you might find that its not such a big deal. Go to the tournament because its "fun" and view it as a chance to learn. Learn about yourself, others, your reactions, their reactions, what your training is strong in, where you are weak, get new ideas, etc. Don't worry about a bit of metal and ribbon, 1st place or last place, its not really that important how you place. Remember martial arts are about self-impovement not how well you do in a tournament. Rick Clark "I am not young enough to know everything." - Oscar Wilde www.ao-denkou-kai.org >-----Original Message----- >From: Amcreva Drogovah [mailto:amcrevalives@hotmail.com] >Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 6:57 AM >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [The_Dojang] Nervous About A Tournament > > >Hey Everyone! As some of you may know the province wide >tournament for PEI is coming up this Saturday. Now, We have >Sparring, Board breaking, Nanchaku/Bo Staff/Sword, Forms and >Kickoff. Now this is to the new WTF rules and this is TKD we >are talking about. I've been training for about a year and am >a Yellow belt. This will be my first tournament. (I was >injured for the one I was supposed to do for my belt rank.)  >How can I get over the extreme nervousness that I feel >everytime I think about the weekend? This has been almost >consuming for this week. I know my Form, I know what I am >doing for Nanchakus and I love sparring and am fairly good at >it for my rank.  Is there some sort of exercise like breathing >or meditation to try to get over being nervous? > >--------------------------------------------------------------- >--------- > >Free yourself from those irritating pop-up ads with MSN >Premium. Join now and get the first two months FREE* >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Joseph Cheavens" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Self Defense at 58 Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 09:09:57 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I would strongly recommend that you stick with one art at a time until you've gotten to black belt level in at least one art. That will provide you with a good solid foundation to add on. Think of the martial arts like a building and the black belt as representing the completion of the foundation. If you try and build two overlapping foundations, chances are that neither will be strong enough to build on. If you focus on one art to begin with, you can build a solid foundation that you can add to over time.  Once you build this foundation, learning other arts is much easier. Not knowing either of these schools, I'm not really able to tell you which one you should pick. However, I'd be a little leery of anything with the name "Combat" in it. It may be indicitive of a certain unhealthy mindset. Here are a couple of links to some interesting articles on martial arts and self defense. While I don't agree with everything Mr. Young has to say, he does make some very good points about the differences between traditional martial arts, self defense and fighting. http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/MAandSD.htm#WSD http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/martialarts.html While I believe that studying martial arts for self defense is valid, you (and your teacher) needs to be aware of the limitations imposed by safe training methods on the effectiveness of traditional martial arts for self defense. The only way to really become a profficient street fighter is to get in a lot of actual street fights, which is a very dangerous and illegal thing to do. You will get a lot more out of your martial arts training if you focus on some of the other benefits of the martial arts: personal/spiritual/emotional growth, physical fitness, positive social interaction with your fellow classmates and instructors. My very first Tae Kwon Do teacher told me that if I wanted to learn Tae Kwon Do to fight, I should leave right then. A big part of learning traditional martial arts is learning how to not fight - i.e. avoid violent conflict.   -------------------------------------------------------------------- From:  "dugy01" Reply-To:  the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To:   Subject:  [The_Dojang] Self Defense at 58 Date:  Mon, 6 Mar 2006 22:15:12 -0500 >Hello, > >Well, I started here reading and was training in TKD but found this not to be >the best of all defense programs so switched to Combat Hapkido... I was in my >orange belt when the unfortunate happened... Unfortuately I was overcome by 3 >thugs at (a private club), the top of the stairs, and didn't see the blow >coming. I ended at the bottom with a broken wrist, 2 broken ribs and abrusions >thruout my torso.  Quite extensive injuries for a 4 step trip/fall, eh? > >So have been out of training for 4.5 months.but getting back in, back to >Combat Hapkido & just earned my green belt, sore wrist and all, but the desire >beat out the pain. > >An instructor in training at my CH Dojo, has been asking me to join him in >Ninjitsu  and I finally went and watched a class. I was bowled over by the >fact of all the hands on and all the moves the class went over thruout the >entire  2 hour long class. I am going to take 1 class to see if I can keep up >with it or not, and join if so, and not if not. > >If so, I will then be learning CH and Ninjitsu, which for some time now I've >been asking around for a descent self defense program, I think I have finally >found my training that I need and that this will round me out with my desire >to become a good fighter in respect to self defense.  My desire to learn is >not affected greatly with my age of 58, as again I am in awe to learn the >Ninjitsu sensi is 63, and one of his students is 70. Of course there are >younger/other generations there too. > >Of combing the two arts, I don't think I will get confused over the moves as >to which is which as I think one will compliment the other.. do you agree? > >I'd like to hear of what some of you think regarding my choice of Self-defense >programs.  I am very impressed with the Ninjitsu having seen an actual class >in training. > >Also, beside the stretching out program before class, does anyone have any >moves that will help this healing wrist?  One last question, anyone know where >I can pick up a used or cheap Bob Bag? The best price I find is $199 + >shipping. > >Thanks in advance, > >DougM >Green Belt >Combat Hapkido >(dugy01@msn.com) >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: 7 Mar 2006 16:09:58 -0000 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Nervous About A Tournament From: sales@aboveandbeyondlearning.com Cc: sales@aboveandbeyondlearning.com Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I can empathise with Amcreva. I've watched my kids in tournaments for almost 2 years, but am planning to participate in my first tournament next week. I do know why I'm nervous. I'm just getting started in MA, and am afraid I'll stand out for my lack of knowledge. I am afraid I'll forget to say the right things to the judges in the right order, or that I'll not do well in sparring with someone outside my do jang for the first time. I'm not worried about ribbons, as I'm doing it for the experience, but the nervousness is still there. I like the points Rick made about learning from the tournament. One of my goals is to "measure" my sparring ability in a less-controlled situation. I want to better learn about my capabilities for self defense. I'm learning Tang Soo Do so I can be able to defend myself and my kids... While I'm hoping I never have to face a real situation, I find I want to assure myself that I'm able to react in a crisis...tournament sparring seems like a good test. Anybody have any good "boy did I look stupid" stories to share? Maybe I'll have one too by next week. :-) Kay ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Clark rick.aodenkou@verizon.net > Hi Amcreva, > > I think one of the best things you could do is stop a moment and ask > yourself why you are nervous. Are you afraid of failure, success, not > doing well, making a fool of yourself, hurting someone, winning, not > winning, forgetting what you are doing, getting hurt, lots of things to > worry about? Once you have an idea of why you are nervous you might find > that its not such a big deal. > > Go to the tournament because its "fun" and view it as a chance to learn. > Learn about yourself, others, your reactions, their reactions, what your > training is strong in, where you are weak, get new ideas, etc. Don't > worry about a bit of metal and ribbon, 1st place or last place, its not > really that important how you place. Remember martial arts are about > self-impovement not how well you do in a tournament. > > Rick Clark "I am not young enough to know everything." - Oscar Wilde > > > www.ao-denkou-kai.org --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 10:12:27 -0600 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] UFC Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<>> That was a pretty good show wasn't it? Thought the "USA vs Canada" schtick was kind of corny, though. What was your opinion of the Penn/GSP fight? I think the judges got it right, but I know a lot of folks are poo-pooing on that decision. --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 10:17:27 -0600 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] First Day Students Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<>> How to properly wear the uniform, how to tie the belt, basic dojang etiquette and protocols, basic terminology, light warm-up, first stances (attention, front stance, etc), teach the front kick in "4-count" fashion, assure them that I was just as clumsy and nervous when I first started (NOT!!!), and send them home with a friendly "see you next time". I don't start jumping spin kicks until week 3. --__--__-- Message: 12 From: "Gordon" To: Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 10:34:45 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Self Defense at 58 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Joseph Cheavens said: learning traditional martial arts is learning how to not fight - i.e. avoid violent conflict.> Very well said sir. Gordon Okerstrom --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest